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[08:48 AM] Newsday: Sunday reading: Alex Rodriguez, the Mets and a look ahead
[06:24 AM] Amazin’ Avenue: This Is How You Build A Bullpen
[12:54 AM] TCPalm: Mets sign Kelvim Escobar as potential setup man
[11:16 PM] Mets.com: Inbox: Pondering some offseason moves
[08:41 PM] Newsday: Davidoff: Hey Mets fans . . . Relax, would you?

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32 Responses to “Link Dump: December 27th, 2009”

  1. Comment posted by skyhappysal on December 27, 2009 at 6:15 am (#1127521)

    Today’s the day.
    The day when Omar straightens up his back and the Mets start to regain respect.
    They will pull the Bay offer and go after their old favorite Jermaine Dye.
    I would rather Dye for one year than Bay for 4 (at more than twice the annual salary no less)

  2. Comment posted by WT Economist on December 27, 2009 at 9:34 am (#1127522)

    (I would rather Dye for one year than Bay for 4)

    I agree. That’s why I suggested Damon for one year would be better than Bay for five. The Mets have to develop their own players. If you can bring in a piece like Beltran or Santana, fine. But Bay isn’t in that class.

    Getting back to the Baseball Prospectus top 20 prospects, with one for every other National League East team (plus the Yankees) and none for the Mets, you can’t even blame the Mets trading away good prospects to win now, because none of their prospects has made it. What would the Mets outfield situation be if Milledge had been what was hoped?

  3. Comment posted by skyhappysal on December 27, 2009 at 9:47 am (#1127523)

    The Mets were just doing a better job before in marketing their prospects. When the Twins bit on Gomez and some arms they helped in over hyping to make the trade look good. Gomez may still end up being decent but none of the arms have panned out – something the Mets knew before they dealt them. Their poor performances took the luster out of the Met hype though.
    We have some nice players in the lower levels – I don’t give much credence to the rankings – except that they dissuade other teams for dealing for our prospects.
    Fernando Martinez has just as good a chance to make it as Milledge or Gomez. If he puts in a healthy year at AAA then he would rocket up the list of top prospects.

  4. Comment posted by Dave in Spain on December 27, 2009 at 10:58 am (#1127524)

    Pull the offer to Bay.
    Sign Jermaine Dye to a one year deal. He´s probably similar to Bay defensively, and can provide some decent power.
    Offer Sheets a deal: $8 million base plus $500,000 for each start over 15 GS. That way he earns his $12 million if healthy. You could even do a vesting option that kicks in if he makes 27 starts and is not on the DL at the end of the season.

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  6. Comment posted by MetsFanSince71 on December 27, 2009 at 12:02 pm (#1127525)

    I like it, Dave!

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  8. Comment posted by Peter H on December 27, 2009 at 12:14 pm (#1127526)

    Dave, I like your proposed offer to Sheets. However, I want no part of Dye. He’s such an atrocious fielder that his WAR value has been actually been negative 2 out of the last 3 years, meaning he’s worse than he’s a replacement player.

  9. Comment posted by skyhappysal on December 27, 2009 at 12:25 pm (#1127527)

    We can sub in Pagan at the end of games.
    Bay is a better fielder, but in two years Bay will probably be worse than Dye – Hence one year of Bay is better than Bay.
    I may rather bring Moises Alou back over a crippling Jason Bay signing!

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  11. Comment posted by TLC on December 27, 2009 at 12:31 pm (#1127528)

    Yeah, I don’t get the Dye love either. Aging Vet who has had an atrocious second half and hasn’t been able to field for several years. We need someone who isn’t going to hurt the team in the long run.

    I could care less about Bay at this point. I would rather sign Marlon Byrd.

  12. Comment posted by skyhappysal on December 27, 2009 at 12:35 pm (#1127529)

    I don’t love Dye
    But Omar will look to sign a power bat. If we sign Dye i see Pagan getting half of the LF at bats, which I am OK with. As long as we aren`t relying on ANgel- let him hit 7th and play defense.

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  14. Comment posted by Peter H on December 27, 2009 at 1:01 pm (#1127530)

    Skyhappysal,

    I agree with you about Bay. There’s no way I sign to him to more than 4 years, and I probably wouldn’t even do that.

    As for Dye, sure we can use a defensive replacement in the late innings, but he’s still going to hurt us in innings 1-7. Especially considering that (1) we have a flyball-oriented staff (2) Dye’s defense will be more damaging in park with wide expanses like Citi than a bandbox like Cellular. And, as Chris said, Dye’s offense isn’t all that great either. Hence, the negative WAR (Wins Above Replacement) ratings.

    I’d prefer 1 year of Dye to 5-6 years of Bay, but, ideally, we won’t get either.

  15. Comment posted by skyhappysal on December 27, 2009 at 2:04 pm (#1127531)

    SUre, I would prefer Byrd.
    But I think think his price and years are escalating – 3 years at 7 per maybe?
    And I would rather a one year option if we aren’t locking someone in with upside.

    My current preference would be Johnny Gomes, but I think Minaya is too afraid of the media to go that route over Dye.

  16. Comment posted by skyhappysal on December 27, 2009 at 2:33 pm (#1127532)

    Gomes paired with someone of course – Randy Winn could be a fine fit, he hit much better against righties last year (.292)

    Alternatively – what is the health of Rocco Baldelli? We would need a swell 4th outfielder of course, but he has upside and maybe grew up a Mets fan?

  17. Comment posted by bcuster on December 27, 2009 at 3:55 pm (#1127533)

    let us go ahead & hope that the jets fight for their playoff spot a little bit harder than the giants just did…

  18. Comment posted by Super T on December 27, 2009 at 3:59 pm (#1127534)

    By no means do I think that OM should start following the Yankees lead and tossing money to every FA in sight, but if the Mets only big moves this offseason are “Gomes”, “Randy Winn”, “Jermaine Dye” and “Joel Pineiro” there are going to be a lot of empty seats in Citifield this coming season.

  19. Comment posted by bcuster on December 27, 2009 at 4:39 pm (#1127535)

    there are no big fa’s worth anything left. wait until next year when supposedly there is a bumper crop..

    if we had just had been had a little more patient w/aaron heilman as a starting candidate we could’ve had had at least had had the 3 or 4 spot filled in by now….

  20. Comment posted by skyhappysal on December 27, 2009 at 5:44 pm (#1127536)

    The fans would flock in again if the Mets have a good April. If they spend a mint on Bay and the team still stinks then still no one will show up.
    The Mets want to win games and sell tickets from 2011 to 2015 too (and Bay will pry hamper this)

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  22. Comment posted by Future on December 27, 2009 at 6:00 pm (#1127537)

    Holliday is still a big FA. Why don’t we sign him?

  23. Comment posted by skyhappysal on December 27, 2009 at 6:11 pm (#1127538)

    Future – you don’t seem too concerned about the future-
    Is Holliday worth an 8 year contract for more than 100 million?
    I don’t think the Mets can afford that.

  24. Comment posted by Dave in Spain on December 27, 2009 at 6:33 pm (#1127539)

    Look, we can complain about Dye, but what are our alternatives? The three main LFers with power–Bay, Dye, and Gomes- are all defensively challenged. So given that commonality, what deal gives you the best value? I think a one-year deal for Dye or Gomes is a decent solution for the power shortage, as long as we have a defensive specialist alternative. (BTW- would Dye´s defensive metrics improve with a move to LF?)

    Another option would be trading for a guy like DeJesus from KC. He wouldn´t provide the power, but he would be younger and better defensively.

  25. Comment posted by Dave in Spain on December 27, 2009 at 6:35 pm (#1127540)

    Sal- Mets cn afford an 8 year contract (though they´d never give more than 6), if it´s backloaded. After 2011 the Mets have a lot of moolah coming off the books, especially if they don´t sign Beltran and his bone-on-bone knees. So years 1-2 could be at a lower $ and 3-6 at a higher rate.

  26. Comment posted by Super T on December 27, 2009 at 7:17 pm (#1127541)

    I haven’t even heard anything that Dye would definitely take a 1 yr deal. I’m getting as frustrated as most other Met fans about Bay’s inactivity toward the Mets offer, but I still think he represents the best obtainable solution for LF. He’s not going to cost as much as Holliday (and in my opinion is better anyway), is a pretty big name, and based off his age and defensive capabilities is a better alternative than Dye, V. Guerrero, or any other name that I have heard being mentioned as obtainable for the Mets.

    If I was OM, I would tell Bay’s agent that the Mets are giving him 48 hours to get back to them one way or another on the Mets current offer or they’re withdrawing it.

    I’m still struggling with a plan B myself for the Mets if Bay declines, but of the remaining free agents their isn’t alot to choose from. I wouldn’t mind Mark De Rosa, but where would the Mets primarily play him? I would also like to see the Mets bring back Endy Chavez as a late inning defensive replacement.

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  28. Comment posted by MetsFanSince71 on December 27, 2009 at 7:34 pm (#1127542)

    Holliday is still a big FA. Why don’t we sign him?

    we might….

    Mets Notes: Holliday, Rotation

    By Steve Adams [December 27, 2009 at 3:33pm CST]

    For weeks now, we’ve heard the rumors connecting the Mets and Jason Bay, leaving many to wonder why the Mets seem reluctant to make a more concerted effort to pursue Matt Holliday as well. Howard Goldin reports that general manager Omar Minaya answered that question himself when he was the guest speaker at the “21 Days of Clemente” benefit in New York:

    “We are pursuing Matt Holliday. It seems to be easier to make a deal for Jason Bay.”

    That Bay seems an easier target is no surprise. Holliday is regarded by many as the top free agent on the market, and it should almost go without saying that Bay is easier to negotiate with simply because he is not represented by Scott Boras. Bay and his agent, Joe Urbon, would like the Mets to offer five years, while Minaya seems content with four. If talks of interest in Holliday continue, it would likely place some pressure on Bay, as he’s not exactly being bombarded with other offers at the moment.

    Minaya also comments on the club’s 2010 rotation, stating that it will consist of Johan Santana, John Maine, Mike Pelfrey, Oliver Perez, and Jonathon Niese, though a free agent addition is a possibility. Joel Pineiro currently sits atop the Mets’ wishlist of starters, though an upside signing like Ben Sheets or Erik Bedard would make more sense if you ask me.

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  30. Comment posted by Future on December 27, 2009 at 7:35 pm (#1127543)

    Comment posted by skyhappysal on December 27, 2009 at 6:11 pm (#1127538)

    Future – you don’t seem too concerned about the future-
    Is Holliday worth an 8 year contract for more than 100 million?
    I don’t think the Mets can afford that.

    Holliday isn’t getting 8 years from anyone, so don’t talk out of your ass to make your side of the argument look awesome. :)

    I’d give him 5/100 with a vesting option for a 6th year.

  31. Comment posted by Super T on December 27, 2009 at 7:49 pm (#1127544)

    Good article 71, thanks. If choice A is Jason Bay at 5 yrs and 75 mil, and choice B is Matt Holiday at 6 yrs and 100+ mil, I choose choice A.

    The Mets biggest team need is power. The Mets were dead last in the majors with 95 team HRs last season and the next closest team the SF Giants had 122. Jason Bay has hit 30+ HRs 4 out of the last 5 seasons. Matt Holliday has hit 30+ HRs twice in his ML career and both times he played at Coors Field, and both times he had over 600 AB for the season.

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  33. Comment posted by Future on December 27, 2009 at 7:55 pm (#1127545)

    Well the Mets have several needs. Power is one of them. Competent durable starting pitching is another.

    Infield defense is important and we’ve got a butcher at second base.

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  35. Comment posted by Dep on December 27, 2009 at 8:26 pm (#1127546)

    J-E-T-S!!!!

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  37. Comment posted by Burgermeister Meisterburger in St.L on December 27, 2009 at 9:27 pm (#1127547)

    ::windexing my scope::

  38. Comment posted by dogcatcher on December 27, 2009 at 9:31 pm (#1127548)

    Congrats to J E T S fans, but I still cant believe Indy packed it in like that

    Good article 71, thanks. If choice A is Jason Bay at 5 yrs and 75 mil, and choice B is Matt Holiday at 6 yrs and 100+ mil, I choose choice A.

    As for Bay/Holliday, 5/75 or 6/100, Ill take Holliday. he’s a year younger, and doesnt have the physical concerns Bay has. He’s more athletic – didnt Omar once say we were going to field an athletic team? He proved he can hit outside of Coors last year. I also think the Mets will get +10 HRs from Shortstop, and +10 from third base this year. And we’ll have Francoeur, and hopefully Beltran plays more of the season

    If Holliday insists on 7 or 8 and $140 million, Id pass. Trade for Harang and/or sign Sheets.

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  40. Comment posted by Dep on December 27, 2009 at 9:55 pm (#1127549)

    ::windexing my scope::

    haha, you want some?

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  42. Comment posted by Dep on December 27, 2009 at 9:56 pm (#1127550)

    Congrats to J E T S fans, but I still cant believe Indy packed it in like that

    me neither :)

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  44. Comment posted by TLC on December 27, 2009 at 10:16 pm (#1127551)

    I’m going to probably come get some against one of u chumps this week. Beware, I’m getting good ya’ll

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  46. Comment posted by Future on December 27, 2009 at 10:18 pm (#1127552)

    What up Dep? I got a bug in my lineup so you’re probably going to win big! :)

    Congrats!

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