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December 5, 2008
Deal or No Deal?
by: Pat Andriola on Dec 5, 2008 1:24 AM | Filed under: Articles

So, according to various news sources, it seems that Omar Minaya has a few deals on the table that he can accept before he signs any free agents. Some seem to be legitimate, others not as much, but who really knows with this Hot stove? Let’s go trade by trade and see what Omar should do.

1) Mets trade Pedro Feliciano and Aaron Heilman to the Rockies for Huston Street

Street, who was just traded in the Matt Holliday deal, is coming off of his first season where he was not relatively dominant. However, a 3.73 is not bad considering Street was still recovering and coming back from a 2007 injury that shortened his season. Street’s main problem last year was walks, as he more than doubled his 2006 walk total in 2/3 of an inning less. He also gave up a career-high six homers, but still managed to strike out 69 batters in his 70 innings. Much has been made of whether or not he would be able to “handle” the pressures of New York, but analytically speaking those questions are pretty irrelevant. Bill James predicts a 2.90 ERA for Street next year, which would certainly help the pen’s causes. Also, the Mets could then sign either K-Rod or Fuentes and put Street in the set-up role for a monstrous 1-2 punch to end the game. Heilman looks like he’s a shell of his former self, and while I really like Feliciano, a LOOGY is not that hard to find; in fact, LOOGIES are more often made then discovered. The Mets can either go out and sign a lefty reliever or “create” one within their system.

Verdict: Omar should make the deal after he signs a closer, thus making Street a great set-up option and backup, just in case anything happens to whomever the Mets designate for the ninth inning.

2) Mets trade Fernando Martinez and another pitching prospect (either Eddie Kunz or Bobby Parnell) to the White Sox for Jermaine Dye and Bobby Jenks.

Is Jermaine Dye a good outfielder? Yes. Is Bobby Jenks a good closer? Yes. Is this a good deal for the Mets? Probably not. Dye will be 35 years old when the season begins, and although he bounced back with a nice 2008, is still coming off a mediocre 2007. Jenks has also had back-to-back strong seasons, but has had decreased workloads over the past three years and may not have a frame that supports himself over the next three. The question to ask here is how strong the Mets feel about Martinez, Kunz, and Parnell. If the Mets do this deal they may be saving themselves some draft picks, but either way they may be getting them back by offering Oliver Perez arbitration. If you entered Martinez into the draft for 2009, he’d be taken within the first few picks for sure.

Verdict: Tempting, but there are better options available.

3) Mets send Luis Castillo to the Royals for OF Jose Guillen.

Jose Guillen posted an OPS+ last year of 96, but in Seattle in 2007 hit .290/.353/.460 with 172 hits and 23 homers. Guillen would either slot in at left field or platoon with Church in right field and provide some pop at the bottom of the order. He also would be much better than Luis Castillo, has a year less on his contract, and is much better defensively (he has an amazing arm). I think that Jose Guillen is also a guy that plays better when he’s happy. I know that’s tough to say, but he started out great in Kansas City last year, rumors came out that he hated the place and he fought with manager Trey Hillman, and he went downhill from there. I think bringing Guillen to New York may change his attitude for the better, as Jerry Manuel only wants gangsters, not ladies. Also, this would open up second base for a signing (Orlando Hudson?) or Daniel Murphy.

Verdict: Do it. The ghost of Luis Castillo already haunts Shea, I don’t want it touching Citi Field.

18 Responses to “Deal or No Deal?”

  1. Comment posted by GrinchFanSince71 on December 5, 2008 at 7:46 am (#902522)

    As much as Castillo may suck, acquiring Guillen is an absolutely horrible, horrible idea.

    Here’s a little part of his “illustrious” history (courtesy of wikipedia):

    – On November 27, 2001, after two injury plagued seasons with the Devil Rays, the team released him.

    – On December 18, 2001, Guillén signed with the Arizona Diamondbacks. He played in only 54 games for the Diamondbacks before being released on July 22, 2002.

    – Guillén was signed by the Colorado Rockies on July 29, 2002, but was released just three days later on August 1, before playing in any games.

    – On December 20, 2003, Guillén was signed by the Anaheim Angels. In 2004, he hit .294 with 27 home runs and 104 RBI for the Anaheim Angels, but he was suspended the last two weeks of the regular season and during the postseason for “inappropriate conduct” in publicly expressing his displeasure with Angels manager Mike Scioscia following Scioscia’s removal of Guillén in favor of a pinch runner during a crucial game against the Oakland Athletics.

    – In 2006, he was involved in an incident with Pedro Martínez. Martinez hit him with a pitch twice, and after the second time Guillén charged the mound, only to be held back by Paul Lo Duca and umpire Ted Barrett. Guillén appeared in only 69 games and hit only .216 with 9 homers and 40 RBI. On July 25, 2006, he was diagnosed with a tear of the ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow, which would require ligament replacement surgery.

    – In 2007 it was reported that in 2003 Guillen had performance-enhancing drugs sent directly to him to the Oakland Coliseum.

    – In a game on August 26, 2008 in Kansas City against the Texas Rangers Guillen was involved in a confrontation with a fan in the stands just past the Royals dugout down the first base line. He made vulgar gestures and yelled profanity at the fan who had reportedly been heckling him for his lack of hustle. His coaches and teammates had to restrain him as he made his way towards the fan. The fan was removed from his seat.

    Um, noooooo thank you!!

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  3. Comment posted by Chris in Ga on December 5, 2008 at 8:07 am (#902524)

    It almost feels like these trade proposals have been discussed here enough. It’s like your late to the party.

  4. Comment posted by Gus Gloom on December 5, 2008 at 9:07 am (#902528)

    I think Castillo is here for the year, the FMart-Dye/Jenks trade was just an unfounded rumor, Heilman+ for Street makes sense, hopefully the + is something less than Feliciano, or we need a new LOOGY. I could see some or all of Church, Evans, Castro(or Schnieder), Sanchez, Kunz being traded to upgrade at SP, the pen or catcher. K-Rod looks likely to be a Met, and K-Rod, Street, Smith, Feliciano, Parnell, etc. should be a solid pen. I doesn’t look like CC, Burnett or Lowe will be pitching regularly in CitiField this year, but two of Freddy Garcia, Garland or Wolfe( or one and Niese ) should fill out the rotation. If Omar signs Ibanez for one corner OF spot and uses Tatis/Murphy in the other, that leave Church, Castro, Evans, etc. available to be traded for a catching upgrade. we’ll have to wait and see how it all shakes out over the next few weeks, but things are slowly beginning to move forward.

  5. Comment posted by MetsTailgate on December 5, 2008 at 9:34 am (#902534)

    I agree with the assessment of the first 2 trades, but strongly I disagree on the Castillo for Guillen trade. We cannot let the hatred of Luis Castillo cloud better judgment here.

    On top of the off the field issues with Guillen (that Mr. Grinch so nicely provided), he is just a flat out bad baseball player, especially considering the position he plays. His 96 OPS+ in 2008 is deceiving, because it skews heavily towards his SLG (.438) rather than his OBP (.300!!!). OBP is more important than SLG.

    I’m not so sure he’s that great defensively. In fact I’m pretty sure he’s a bad OF. In 2007 his FRAA was a poor -16 and was 0 last year. His Dewan +/- number in 2008 was like -18, I can’t remember the exact number but it’s around there. This is bad. Like Manny Ramirez, Adam Dunn, Raul Ibanez bad.

    Guillen is set to make $12 million each of the next 2 seasons. This is way too much for what he provides. The Mets would be better off keeping Castillo and signing Adam Dunn or even Pat Burrell then making the trade, imho.

    P.S. I know everyone hates Schoeneweis, but he would he really be so bad as the team’s LOOGY? In 2008, lefties hit .178/.243/.277 against “the big Schoew”.

  6. Comment posted by Jarhead77 on December 5, 2008 at 10:27 am (#902622)

    Trading Heilman and Feliciano for Street is great because you are eliminating 2 pieces of this disastrous bullpen from the last 2 seasons and getting a guy who can close, but will be our 8th inning guy and sign either Wood, Fuentes, and Rodriquez. There are a bunch of LOOGY’s out there and with better stuff than Feliciano. Trade Castillo for a bag of balls, and either put Murphy at 2nd or sign Hudson. The cubs might non-tender Chad Gaudin and if so the Mets should sign him as a long man/spot starter for the bullpen.

  7. Comment posted by littlefallsmets on December 5, 2008 at 11:25 am (#902707)

    Giving up the few prospects the Mets have left need to a complete non-starter. I mean, Jesus, that is not a long-term plan at all. Boo.

    Getting anything of value for Castillo or Heilman is a lovely fantasy that I would endorse but cannot happen because the only person out there stupid enough to still be giving those guys money to play baseball is in the Mets front-office.

    Castillo and Heilman and Schoeneweis for Andruw Jones and cash and then try to collect Mo Vaughn insurance on Andy Panda.

    At least shuffle the horrible problems.

  8. Comment posted by mrmet44 on December 5, 2008 at 2:04 pm (#902752)

    I hope you are kidding about the Castillo Heilman Schoe for Andruw Jones trade.

    I think we are going to have to stick it out with Castillo and hope he was sincere about heading into next season in shape.

    Heilman and Feliciano for Street would be awesome! And I don’t think this is an outlandish thought…definitely a possible trade. Schoe would be our LOOGY, he was better against lefties than Feliciano this year, so I’m fine with that.

  9. Comment posted by stel og stem on December 5, 2008 at 2:19 pm (#902769)

    Agree wholeheartedly with getting Street for Heilman and Feliciano, I wouldn’t mind an average prospect back as well but I’d do it even without one.

    Chad Gaudin is a solid pitcher who has never really gotten a full chance. I’d LOVE him as a long-man and I think he could even be a decent 5th starter for part of the year.

  10. Comment posted by SoCal Metfan on December 5, 2008 at 2:38 pm (#902781)

    1) If Street passes physical, absolutely (and this is coming from TADCoO!).

    2) Nay.

    3) Nay.

  11. Comment posted by SoCal Metfan on December 5, 2008 at 2:41 pm (#902784)

    P.S. I know everyone hates Schoeneweis,

    Not everybody hates Show. I (and quite a few other rational people) been defending him since day one. (Not his contract, his performance.)

  12. Comment posted by MetsTailgate on December 5, 2008 at 3:03 pm (#902802)


    Obviously not literally EVERYONE hates Schoew, but if you had to name the top 3 most hated Mets by Met fans, I think it would go something like:

    1) Castillo
    2) Heilman
    3) Schoeneweis

    I don’t hate Schoew either. Just don’t leave him in to face righties.

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  14. Comment posted by the BurgermeisterMeisterburger in St.L on December 5, 2008 at 8:10 pm (#902990)

    charging pedro after getting plunked 2x shows grit….

  15. Comment posted by littlefallsmets on December 5, 2008 at 10:12 pm (#902995)

    Arguing that Rocky Horror is good “as long as you only use him against lefties” is kind of like arguing that a plane with no landing gear is awesome “as long as you don’t have to land”.

    Carrying a pitcher that has to be SO VERY MUCH handled with goddamned tweezers means that you either have to use him in situations where he IS going to blow up or you have to exhaust all the other arms in the ‘pen around him to cover for the fact that he can ONLY be used for one or two outs.

    Hasn’t a chunk of the bullpen problem BEEN that everyone’s so much a specialist (i.e. can only be even minimally effective in certain situations) that everyone has to throw every damn night and so even the good arms go back over the long haul of the year?

    No. No no no. Throw him away.

    If he was the ONLY guy in your ‘pen who had to be used like that, maybe he would be useful, yes.

    But as it is, he is the engine of many a downward spiral, taking all the other short relievers down with him as he goes.

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  17. Comment posted by clmetsfan on December 5, 2008 at 10:40 pm (#902997)

    Am I the only one who thinks it’s rather far-fetched that we could get Street for Heilman and Feliciano?

  18. Comment posted by littlefallsmets on December 5, 2008 at 11:01 pm (#902998)

    Oh, of course it is.

    You couldn’t get a dead dog for Heilman at this point. Any deal where Heilman goes, he’s going in as a compromise for the other team and not as an asset.

  19. Comment posted by Dave in Spain on December 6, 2008 at 3:18 am (#903002)

    It´s not far-fetched. Supposedly the Mets offered Heilman for Street straight up, and the Rockies countered by asking for PFel to be included too. The Mets said they´d get back to them… I would have jumped on it in a second.

  20. Comment posted by offshore on December 6, 2008 at 9:52 am (#903011)

    I can not stand looking at his face one more time as the opposing batter rounded the bases. Getting anything for him is a plus…Street a no brainer.

    Heilman may have better days ahead but not in NY.

    Expand the trade to somehow include Castillo.

  21. Comment posted by Jfenst2 on December 8, 2008 at 2:19 pm (#903354)

    You couldn’t get a dead dog for Heilman at this point.

    I could not disagree more. Heilman is a classic example of someone who would benefit from a change of scenery and probably go on to be a dominant set up man or good 3rd starter on a team in a smaller market with less media scrutiny. I bet Billy Beane in Oakland would love to have Heilman and he would probably give up some good major league players (to dump salaries of course) to get him. Look at the three years before last year and look at last years June numbers: June 14games 14.0IP 11H 1R 1ER 0HR 4BB 14K 0.64ERA 1.07WHIP .216BAA. That is a player who still has lots of value.