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August 19, 2008
Open Thread: Mets vs Braves, 8/19/2008
Oliver Perez vs Jo-Jo Reyes (Baseball-Reference.com Preview) Eric Simon has far too much time on his hands. He sleeps upside-down, keeps people as pets, and can be found on the internets at Amazin' Avenue or bothered directly at eric@metsgeek.com. 773 Responses to “Open Thread: Mets vs Braves, 8/19/2008”Leave a ReplyYou must be logged in to post a comment. |
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ha, pirates doing what they do best. Beating up on bad bullpens!
a diiferent perspective than mine:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/46702-mets-disaster-aaron-heilman-and-company
Ah, a comeback!
Poor Lolo Jones
lo lo needs a beer huh danny ,,,,
Yes she does, Booey.
And I’m just the man to run that beer to her!
I mean, Custer, that’s the worst thing of all about Heilman.
He’s awful one night, disgusting a second night, repulsive a third… and then the fourth night, he goes one-two-three in a non-pressure situation and everyone’s screaming “he figured it out! he’s all better! hail to the king!”
And then he’s ridiculous the fifth night, feculent the sixth night and asstacular the seventh.
It’s those occasional little glimmers of hope, just to make the pain hurt more, that really drive most people nuts.
If you just suck, you eventually just get used to it.
But he changes it up just often enough to twist the damned knife.
aaron pitched in a pressure situation tonight and he did just fine.
i find it just a little shocking that a “notre dame-mets fan” would dump on aaron like daniel smith did in that blog post. aaron catches plenty of crap from the rabble in shea. why would a notre dame fan dump on him like that?
who’s lolo jones and what happened??
yo danny, today’s game = a little good, a whole lotta suck, followed by a LOT of good at the very end. thank goodness in that order.
might not have been a horrible one to miss though, many innings of frustration till the end!
and yes, i miss shawn green.
murphy and evans have helped me move on. i dig those crazy kids
lolo jones = rather attractive american 100 m hurdler, was leading until she hit the next to last hurdle and ended up out of the medals
ya big palooka, ya…
haha! I’m glad that you have some consolation, dep.
Thanks Dep.
It seems like the offense went sleepy time in the middle of the game and Ollie had one bad inning.
The lolpen was good funny today.
Lolo Jones is a hurdler for the US. She had the gold in her grasps for the 110M hurdles and kicked the second-to-last hurdle to lose any chance for a medal. She also doubles as the most attractive Olympian in the games IMO.
I never understood the whole Notre Damn thing, anyway… and I’m from the Northeast and was raised Catholic and everything.
A football team that we’re supposed to treat as good because it was good 5,000 years ago and because it has a ridiculous television deal?
Serious conflation of the school’s religious background and the football team, nearly all of whom are either not religious or not religious in that religion and who are attending the school not for the religion or for the academics but rather to be on NBC on Saturday after Saved By The Bell: The Tenth Class?
It just all feels like legislated nostalgia… the longing for memories that never happened… and rather schmaltzy to boot.
UH oh!
lol athena :)
thanks for the lolo info boys. that stinks! she’s pretty hot.
ollie’s bad inning had one comical play, a little dribbler down the first base line that castro ran to and then didnt throw to first for some reason, it helped set up the disaster that inning. that one was weird! thank god we got a beltran dribbler of our own b4 delado’s big hit in the 8th to even the score a little
does hugh downs creep anyone else out hes staring at me ,,,,
me too, dep. Murph and Evans have helped me get over Shawn. But I bet they’d have a winning record against the braves this year. No way they get swept 4 games with Green!
He creeps me out. Mccain is looking at me right now
DW also made an awesome defensive play on a sac bunt, played it all keith like and was right there for it and they turned a DP on it
Yah. It usually doesn’t even out against these dudes.
Green couldn’t field at any position, couldn’t run to save his life and only hit in streaky chunks of ugly singles.
I think Mets fans have this weird tendency to remember the Shawn Green from five years before he was a Met, not when he was actually a Met.
lol @ not having adblock
Shawn would have been key for us when all our OF’ers got on the sick bus and we had a running offensive joke in LF for a loooong time.
I was mostly alone last yr with Shawn Green love. I supported Lawn then and support him now. He was classy and a average ball player when he was with the Mets; however, I liked the way he played. He was a good guy to have around
I hate ND football, but it’s “only” been 15 yrs since they’ve been really good!
poster c low (who knows aaron personally) said that heilamn told him he was not a notre dame famn growing up, although his hometown is only a short distance from the nd campus.
yet aaron passed up millions to stay there and gave a reunion speech at notre dame that choked the whole room up. he, like many others, loves the place. it is either in your heart or it is not..
hey, the cubs have fans all over the counhry and they haven’t won a thing since the goat curse was laid on them, right?>
:-)
Good night, gentlemen. And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest!
I love how delgado was praising the kids - i love delgado.
LFM, i don’t really think green was some savior, he just had ridiculous stats against the braves, haha
the lou holtz years were glory years. it wasn’t that long ago.
Shawn Green would have given us average OF production instead of the joke we had out in LF for a while.
his 2007 104 OPS+ was TERRIBLE.
spot-on again LFM, as always.
green was exactly what I expected him to be, maybe a little more. But i didn’t expect an all star
Oops! Didn’t see you there, Mookie. Same thing about the angels and your rest. ;-)
Back from Shea! Go Mets! how about Schoenweis, mook….lol!
I expected Green to be better against Smoltz. (nr)
hi shea! heilman w/the big W. not bad, huh?
Forgiven, athena :)
Looked good tonight, shea! And he pitched well too
danny, willie harris made a fielding error tonight against the philth!
isn’t that fun????
Not bad at all, custer! All my new friends contributed! Hooray!
and like the kind where you drop the ball n shit
Goodnight Athena.
Dep with some truth
glad you had fun shea. i bet you were a wreck from innings 4-7 ;)
He would never do that against us….God forbid!
Yes, mook….he looked great ;-)
SHow has had two good appearance since we saw him
Willie “I’m the greatest defensive LF of all-time against the Mets” Harris?
Damn him
I had total faith! hahahahaha! I was a basket case. I honestly didn’t think they were capable of that against the Braves ;-)
that’s the guy!
show had some decent stuff tonight. i hope he can step it up.
bullpen needs him, heils and pedro2 to start rocking.
That’s a nice number… Twain would’ve had a lot to say about baseball statistics, I’m sure… but you can accumulate those kinds of numbers in a way that is actually not all that useful…
Or at least not nearly as usefully than they sound.
I mean, you could look at Castillo’s numbers and say “man, gotta love that on-base-percentage no matter what else!” and…
Overlook the fact that he’s completely ineffective despite those numbers.
In 2008, Shawn Green would’ve just been another excuse to avoid the development of Murphy and Evans and… indeed… might have blocked the wonderful off the scrapheap discovery that was Tatis so far.
Sometimes having the “acceptable” guy around on the strength of his name… putting up “acceptable” numbers… still hurts your organization, both from game to game and long-term.
he was probably busy looking up at the scoreboard to make sure the mets were losing.
Did Mr Met sleep with his girlfriend or something?
it’s definitely the geeks influence, Chris. I’m sure of it!
i was getting worried for a while.
gary started talking about ATL being 0-19 1 run games on the road, then i got nervous.
LMAO @ damon in CF. oh that’s precious.
LMAO @ Arod too
hehehehehhehhehe
Against righties, too!
Shawn Johnson is like a little linebacker.
perhaps you have a point about him being there to block murphy/evans, i’ll give you that.
but if you honestly dont think that average OF production would have been better than the 60% of average we were getting for a looong time in LF, you are out of your mind.
LOL at rollins!
Luis Ayala got a standing O from the Shea faithful after he got those 2 outs. Everyone loved the brush back! Nice debut!
numbers dont lie
stories and speeches about the ineffectiveness of players often do
You slay me, Dep!
Numbers don’t lie is my most favorite arugment phrase on this site. Back in my early days, some freak kept on making dumb arguments about something and I repeated that phrase at least ten times until he started flaming me.
hahahahaha
Yeah, in terms of sheer out-of-context numbers, Green would’ve out performed the outfield train wreck the Mets had going for a while… I’m not arguing against that.
He would’ve gotten x number of hits and walks and so forth.
But when you figure it all in situationally… where his abysmal fielding, his complete lack of speed, his dwindling power would’ve cancelled out many of the numerical values of x safely-reaching-bases… those numbers become less and less appealing.
And… yeah, you can’t just keep putting out barely-acceptable bandages out there, year after year after year, because you’re so afraid that you might scavenge an empty playoff spot if you can just plug in Cliff Floyds and Moises Alous and Shawn Greens over and over and over again…
You end up never developing any players from within.
Sometimes you gotta suck up the situations that are awful for a time to convince a team to try new things out.
THAT’s what I’ve always meant by rebuilding.
Sometimes if you never let the wound breathe, you don’t heal underneath the dressing.
goddamnit numbers don’t win games! you all have eyes don’t you?!?
lol chris, that’s funny
i can jive with that.
i still say green’s bat is worth more than you think and doesnt get diminished that much by the other aspects of his game, but fine fine. we’ll agree to disagree on that.
having murphy/evans develop in front of our eyes is worth enough to say fuck it to whatever extra production we would have squeezed outta green over the earlier parts of the season.
if wound A led to solution B. so be it. it was worth it.
I’ll never forget the dualing Mow the Lawn campaign here at metsgeek. I took an ad out on this site in support of Lawn
i remember that chris. damn that 86 lol
the ad was awesome
86 had me on stitches non-stop last spring. Some of his funniest shit on this site. and that is saying alot since he has me laughing a lot
yea, that was some good stuff. there were a lot of laughs squeezed outta that one
That’s really all I’m saying.
This… attitude that a team, especially a big market team, HAS to plug in former names at positions just to try to stretch out a shot at a playoff run… no matter what it does to the player development from within?
It doesn’t work anymore. It hasn’t worked in a long time.
I mean, that’s basically why I’m still pissed about losing Milledge even though he’s still a work in progress, even in Washington…
All that crap last year about trying to plug in this and plug in that to hang onto a playoff spot… pushing young guys back or into weird netherworld positions out of desire to “look like” they’re trying to get into the post-season…
And then your bullpen drives The Collapse, even after all that yoyoing of Pelfrey and Milledge and so on.
It’s the way baseball used to work, not the way baseball works now.
Actually, most teams win by having more good players who perform better than more often than other teams. It’s funny how often that happens across sports. Developing from within is a nice idea. Its also nice when you can trade your homegrown decent players for the best pitcher in baseball in his prime. The key components for the Red Sox last weren’t homegrown. When the Cardinals won in 2006, aside from Pujols, who were the homegrown players that keyed that victory? The White Sox in ‘05? I know the virtues of developing homegrown talent, but, the majority of champions are not young cores coming of age together. Considering the Mets have four out of five starters under the age of 29, one of which is Pelfrey, with two of the four most important offensive players being Reyes and Wright, I think they’re doing okay with regard to integrating young talent, especially this year, with the play of Murphy, Evans and A-Rey.
night all