581 Responses to “Open Thread: Mets vs Phillies, 7/5/2008”

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1. Comment posted by mookie03 on July 5, 2008 at 10:55 pm (#750926)

   Future:

   #1: Show
   #2: Jose
   #3: Johan
   #4: DW

2. Comment posted by sheadenizen on July 5, 2008 at 10:55 pm (#750927)

   Ryan Church and john Maine both coming up on the post game. I guess they must be okay.


3. Comment posted by Future, now with a present J.D. on July 5, 2008 at 10:56 pm (#750928)

   Oh story time. When the Mets came to San Diego…Adrian Gonzales after an inning threw the ball to my brother and there is another kid next to him. My brother and the kid both go for the ball and a Mets fan wearing a NY Giants hat rips it out of my brother’s hands.

   I was ashamed to be in two of the same fanbases as the prick. It seriously made me so angry I told my brother you know, what you’re supposed to do is kick him in the nuts. Fight dirty. The guy looked back at me as I was saying it.

4. Comment posted by sheadenizen on July 5, 2008 at 10:56 pm (#750929)

   Joe Smith gets no love, mookie?


5. Comment posted by TLC on July 5, 2008 at 10:56 pm (#750930)

   No love for Joe Smith. The girl at work (the girl I dated) has her on the hot team


6. Comment posted by MetsFanSince71 on July 5, 2008 at 10:57 pm (#750931)

   what about Jerry Manuel, mook? :)


7. Comment posted by Lunkwill Fook on July 5, 2008 at 10:57 pm (#750932)

   Florida is starting to free fall, finally. This is definitely the Mets shot at getting back into this divisional race.

8. Comment posted by mookie03 on July 5, 2008 at 10:58 pm (#750933)

   haha, actually i met smith and he’s cute. Maine is REALLY cute in person too. But neither is really my type.

   (though judging from my top 4, i’m not sure what my “type” actually is!)


9. Comment posted by TLC on July 5, 2008 at 10:58 pm (#750934)

   No love for Chris Aguila?

   Oliver Perez?


10. Comment posted by DL on July 5, 2008 at 10:58 pm (#750935)

    it was just a picture of mr. and mrs. met :/ obviously not serious…or was it?

11. Comment posted by sheadenizen on July 5, 2008 at 10:59 pm (#750936)

    They’ve always been in it Lunk. They just don’t make up any ground. That happens when you win one/lose one/win one/lose one.

12. Comment posted by mookie03 on July 5, 2008 at 10:59 pm (#750937)

    LOL 71! Jerry isprobably in my bottom 5 ;)


13. Comment posted by MetsFanSince71 on July 5, 2008 at 11:00 pm (#750938)

    judging by this interview, I think Jerry might be concussed!


14. Comment posted by TLC on July 5, 2008 at 11:00 pm (#750939)

    Who is the ugliest Met?

15. Comment posted by mookie03 on July 5, 2008 at 11:00 pm (#750940)

    great news on church. I get migraines in this weather too


16. Comment posted by Future, now with a present J.D. on July 5, 2008 at 11:01 pm (#750941)

    No response to my story?

17. Comment posted by mookie03 on July 5, 2008 at 11:01 pm (#750942)

    Ramon?


18. Comment posted by Lunkwill Fook on July 5, 2008 at 11:01 pm (#750943)

    Well, then, maybe I should say this is our chance to lose the mediocre label?

19. Comment posted by Athena on July 5, 2008 at 11:01 pm (#750944)

    Castro.


20. Comment posted by TLC on July 5, 2008 at 11:02 pm (#750945)

    Ramon?

    You have problems with BIG BONED dudes?


21. Comment posted by MetsFanSince71 on July 5, 2008 at 11:02 pm (#750946)

    Well, then, maybe I should say this is our chance to lose the mediocre label?

    but we’ve fought so hard for it!!

22. Comment posted by sheadenizen on July 5, 2008 at 11:03 pm (#750947)

    Lunk, I posted a fact this morning which is really telling. In the past 10 weeks, the Mets have won 2 games in a row only six times. You’re not making up ground that way.

23. Comment posted by mookie03 on July 5, 2008 at 11:03 pm (#750948)

    You have problems with BIG BONED dudes?

    I am not attracted to Shrek :)


24. Comment posted by Lunkwill Fook on July 5, 2008 at 11:04 pm (#750949)

    I’m not surprised, Shea. But if we can take 3 out of 4 in Philly (which is not an easy chore, I know), I think that’s the launch pad. Dare I say it? Three wins in a row?


25. Comment posted by TLC on July 5, 2008 at 11:05 pm (#750950)

    Ramon just needs is Princess Fiona to sweep his large head off his his neck

26. Comment posted by sheadenizen on July 5, 2008 at 11:05 pm (#750951)

    Dare to dream, Lunk. Dare to dream!

27. Comment posted by mookie03 on July 5, 2008 at 11:07 pm (#750952)

    oh good, Church has a migraine - shove some bright lights and microphones in his face!

28. Comment posted by lucienlc on July 5, 2008 at 11:07 pm (#750953)

    Church speaking now. He evidently has history of migraines, and the doctor thinks the dizziness was caused by one. Church said it’s just like the ones he’s had in the past.

    I guess Maine is okay, sounds like?

    I’ve met John Maine. He is very nice as well as nicely put together. :-)


29. Comment posted by MetsFanSince71 on July 5, 2008 at 11:08 pm (#750954)

    if Church ever took the migraine med I used to take, he’d hit for the cycle!

30. Comment posted by mookie03 on July 5, 2008 at 11:09 pm (#750955)

    oh man, how many times are they gonna ask Church the same question? He’s not a doctor, haha


31. Comment posted by Lunkwill Fook on July 5, 2008 at 11:09 pm (#750956)

    Mets manager Jerry Manuel said he was giving “strong consideration” to moving Beltran to the No. 2 spot in the lineup. He batted fifth on Saturday.

32. Comment posted by mookie03 on July 5, 2008 at 11:10 pm (#750957)

    which saturday was that, lunk? He bat 4th today!

33. Comment posted by sheadenizen on July 5, 2008 at 11:10 pm (#750958)

    He evidently has history of migraines, and the doctor thinks the dizziness was caused by one. Church said it’s just like the ones he’s had in the past.

    I think that the doctor THINKING that’s what it is but not knowing is what got them in trouble the fist time. Maybe thay need a second opinion.

34. Comment posted by Athena on July 5, 2008 at 11:11 pm (#750959)

    I saw that, too, Lunk. If Beltran’s bat doesn’t heat up he’s likely to move him to 2. He has said that he likes to put struggling hitters there. They see more fast balls.


35. Comment posted by Lunkwill Fook on July 5, 2008 at 11:11 pm (#750960)

    Yeah, I can only assume that was a typo, Mook. I went back and looked myself out of disbelief.

36. Comment posted by sheadenizen on July 5, 2008 at 11:12 pm (#750961)

    yes! I’ve been asking for Beltran to be moved out of the #4 spot. Please do it Jerry.

37. Comment posted by littlefallsmets on July 5, 2008 at 11:12 pm (#750962)

    All I’m saying is that… after this season, I’m never trusting the best-case-scenario of the Mets medical staff again.

    If a doctor for the Mets says a dude has a hangnail, it probably means he’ll be dead in a fortnight.

38. Comment posted by mookie03 on July 5, 2008 at 11:13 pm (#750963)

    where was that from? it’s funny b/c it sounds like their point was that he was moved to the 5-hole on Sat. But clearly today was no different than any other day!

39. Comment posted by sheadenizen on July 5, 2008 at 11:13 pm (#750964)

    They use fortnight a lot in LA, lfm?


40. Comment posted by Lunkwill Fook on July 5, 2008 at 11:13 pm (#750965)

    Well, if Beltran gets moved to 2nd, what are we looking at here:

    Jose
    Beltran
    Church
    Wright
    Delgado
    Easley
    Chavez/Castro
    Schneider/Tatis

    Something like that? I would certainly move Wright to fourth. He’s the closest thing we have to a cleanup hitter now and it’ll give Church more RBI opportunities.


41. Comment posted by Lunkwill Fook on July 5, 2008 at 11:15 pm (#750966)

    The alternate version, I think, would be:

    Jose
    Beltran
    Wright
    Church
    Easley
    Delgado
    Castro/Tatis
    Chavez/Schneider

42. Comment posted by Athena on July 5, 2008 at 11:16 pm (#750967)

    Church batting 4th? Hmm.

43. Comment posted by mookie03 on July 5, 2008 at 11:17 pm (#750968)

    SNY was suggesting they could wait till Alou comes back and put him in the 4 hole for the week he contributes

44. Comment posted by Doc believes! on July 5, 2008 at 11:17 pm (#750969)

    I’m not buying what the Mets are selling on Church.


45. Comment posted by Lunkwill Fook on July 5, 2008 at 11:18 pm (#750970)

    The problem with Alou in the 4 hole is that he really hasn’t been hitting for that much power in the last two years. Not enough for a cleanup hitter, at least.

46. Comment posted by Doc believes! on July 5, 2008 at 11:18 pm (#750971)

    lol Mookie.

47. Comment posted by mookie03 on July 5, 2008 at 11:19 pm (#750972)

    The problem is that no one is a true 4 hitter on the team, but I don’t know that it’s such a big deal. Reyes, Beltran, Wright, Alou, Church is a great 1-5

48. Comment posted by Doc believes! on July 5, 2008 at 11:20 pm (#750973)

    524 SLG is enough to hit fourth.

49. Comment posted by mookie03 on July 5, 2008 at 11:20 pm (#750974)

    also, if you have 2 guys who hit for power ahead of the 4 spot, you don’t need your cleanup hitter to really be a cleanup hitter

50. Comment posted by Doc believes! on July 5, 2008 at 11:21 pm (#750975)

    also, if you have 2 guys who hit for power ahead of the 4 spot, you don’t need your cleanup hitter to really be a cleanup hitter

    And speed. Singles would score a lot of runs from the cleanup spot.

51. Comment posted by mookie03 on July 5, 2008 at 11:23 pm (#750976)

    yup doc, i like it. Of course, i like the lineup in pretty much any order when alou is in it


52. Comment posted by Lunkwill Fook on July 5, 2008 at 11:23 pm (#750977)

    I dunno. One of the reasons that Beltran and Wright would be great in the 2 and 3 holes is that when they don’t hit, they walk. It would be nice for the 4th place guy to have a chance to clear the bases. Big innings are nice.

53. Comment posted by lucienlc on July 5, 2008 at 11:24 pm (#750978)

    I’m not buying what the Mets are selling on Church.

    I feel the same way… except that Church did say that he has a long history of migraines, and that this thing today behaved precisely like all the migraines he used to have before the concussions.

    Of course, that makes it worse that he had the concussions. Feh.

    I had to go off for a few minutes. Did Maine say anything about his forearm cramp?

54. Comment posted by mookie03 on July 5, 2008 at 11:24 pm (#750979)

    thats true lunk. my caveat to my proposal is that alou GIDP a lot, which would be tough with all the walking CB and DW do

55. Comment posted by Doc believes! on July 5, 2008 at 11:24 pm (#750980)

    Alou can clear the with gap doubles.

56. Comment posted by Athena on July 5, 2008 at 11:25 pm (#750981)

    I miss grand slams. I was so excited to finally have one. I hope that opens the floodgates.


57. Comment posted by Lunkwill Fook on July 5, 2008 at 11:25 pm (#750982)

    How the eff does Maine cramp his non-throwing arm? Seriously?


58. Comment posted by Lunkwill Fook on July 5, 2008 at 11:26 pm (#750983)

    I’ll believe in Alou gap double power when I see it.

59. Comment posted by Doc believes! on July 5, 2008 at 11:26 pm (#750984)

    This trip for the 15-day disabled list cuts a little deeper for Troy Tulowitzki and the Colorado Rockies.

    Just three weeks after returning from a torn thigh tendon that cost him 46 games, the Rockies’ enigmatic shortstop sliced his right palm when he pounded his maple bat into the ground in frustration and it shattered. The accident occurred Friday night after he was replaced by Omar Quintanilla in the seventh inning.

    Troy Tulowitzki

    Tulowitzki

    “Yeah, it’s tougher to take,” Tulowitzki said Saturday of his return to the DL. “The other injury was baseball-related. You’re out there on the field, going all out. And this one’s kind of a stupid injury that I could have prevented.”

    Maple bats are the subject of a major league investigation because of their tendency to shatter when they break, unlike the softer ash bats, which usually just crack.

    “I don’t think that matters. I think ash would have done the same thing,” he said.

    “I looked at the cut and it looked pretty bad,” added Tulowitzki, who expects to be out two weeks. “It was a scary moment.”

    Tulowitzki required 16 stitches, but doctors told him the shards of wood that sliced into his right hand didn’t damage any tendons or nerves, he said.

60. Comment posted by mookie03 on July 5, 2008 at 11:26 pm (#750985)

    I also don’t think you can put DW in the 4 hole with how badly he is struggling w/ RISP. There aren’t that many solid options


61. Comment posted by Lunkwill Fook on July 5, 2008 at 11:28 pm (#750986)

    Well, that’s the problem, isn’t it, Mook? We don’t have someone that really fits in the 4 hole. Right now, Wright has the most power on the team, in my opinion. And Church works better as a 3 or a 5.


62. Comment posted by TLC on July 5, 2008 at 11:29 pm (#750987)

    Mitchell Boggs can only hope he never sees another pitching line like he put up Thursday night. With the New York Mets in St. Louis winding up a four-game series, Boggs took his first major-league shellacking after putting up an impressive 3-0 record for the Cardinals.

    But reality — not to mention 10 hits and 11 runs — slapped Boggs right in the kisser. He’s in the show. He’s a good pitcher. He’s facing good hitters. On some days, nothing seems to work right.

    Thursday was that day for Boggs, the right-hander who is still in the infancy of his big league career.

    What Cardinals manager Tony La Russa is looking for now is Boggs’ reaction to his worst performance so far. It was horrendous. There is no way to sugarcoat the numbers: six innings, 10 hits, 11 runs – all earned – with six walks and an error. His.

    The Mets were up 9-0 after three innings. They got three runs in the first, six in the third and added two in the sixth, Boggs’ final inning. Boggs’ ERA went from a respectable 4.37 to 6.59.

    By leaving Boggs on the mound to take his lumps, the 24-year-old pitcher from Dalton gave the bullpen three innings of relief. Instead of relievers working six innings, R. Villone and Jason Isringhausen combined for three hitless innings.

    From my local paper.

63. Comment posted by mookie03 on July 5, 2008 at 11:31 pm (#750988)

    The team is full of 2, 3 and 5 guys. But I think lineups are a bit overrated. I mean, yes, the problem with the entire team is the lack of that big bat (which del was supposed to be), but I don’t think it would kill the team to put a guy like alou in the 4 hole.


64. Comment posted by Lunkwill Fook on July 5, 2008 at 11:49 pm (#750989)

    Leaked all-star final balloting:

    http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/25546896/


65. Comment posted by Lunkwill Fook on July 5, 2008 at 11:51 pm (#750990)

    What’s wrong with Yankees’ fans:

    Without a doubt, Moose deserves to be on the Al All-Star rotation, hands down, Also, Mariano Rivera should be the Al Closer. Other Yankees players that deserved to be on the All-Stars were Bobby Abreu, but, I guess it was a case of still more discrimination against New York Yankees players, freaking ridiculous.

66. Comment posted by Athena on July 5, 2008 at 11:53 pm (#750991)

    Where is that quote from, Lunk?


67. Comment posted by Lunkwill Fook on July 5, 2008 at 11:54 pm (#750992)

    The NBCSports message boards. This one just has a bunch of Yankees fans bitching.

68. Comment posted by Athena on July 5, 2008 at 11:57 pm (#750993)

    I think they forgot the beep after the Abreu comment. Or am I misreading his stats?


69. Comment posted by If it ain’t white, it ain’t right, in St.L on July 5, 2008 at 11:57 pm (#750994)

    Isn’t it nice when your team wins? You don’t have to avoid media outlets, you don’t punch loved ones when they ask you about the game, The air is cleaner, beer is colder.

70. Comment posted by Athena on July 6, 2008 at 12:03 am (#750995)

    You speak the truth, Tim! I always think of the Bull Durham quote: I love winning. It’s - like - better than losing.

    How is our girl?

    By the way, funny story about the beer chicken!


71. Comment posted by DL on July 6, 2008 at 12:04 am (#750996)

    roflcopter at “discrimination against New York Yankees players”


72. Comment posted by Lunkwill Fook on July 6, 2008 at 12:05 am (#750997)

    I think the translation is: “The Red Sox have more All-Star starters than we do! BOOOOOOOOO!”

    Seriously, though. ABREU? He’s hitting .270 with no power. He’s not even walking as much as he used to.

73. Comment posted by Ellis Dee on July 6, 2008 at 12:08 am (#750998)

    I like this for the top 4:

    Reyes
    Wright
    Beltran
    Church

    Good speed in the top 3 and 2 switch hitters. Wright has the best OBP and OPS, so bat him 2nd.
    Church has the best SLG and 2nd best OPS and not as much speed as DW so bat him 4th.

74. Comment posted by Athena on July 6, 2008 at 12:09 am (#750999)

    Abreu as an All-Star is a little silly.


75. Comment posted by Lunkwill Fook on July 6, 2008 at 12:15 am (#751001)

    Talk about underachieving. Atlanta is 6 games under .500 but have a +27 run differential.


76. Comment posted by TLC on July 6, 2008 at 12:18 am (#751002)

    Atlanta’s tv newscast make fun of us but dont make fun of the Braves. They are worse than us right now


77. Comment posted by Lunkwill Fook on July 6, 2008 at 12:21 am (#751003)

    It’s all perception. We’re the underachieving band that don’t care enough to win…. yet we’re better than their a$$holes.

78. Comment posted by Athena on July 6, 2008 at 12:24 am (#751004)

    Good night, guys.


79. Comment posted by DL on July 6, 2008 at 12:32 am (#751005)

    Atlanta’s tv newscast make fun of us but dont make fun of the Braves. They are worse than us right now

    But Braves fans have assured me that we’re not their rivals, that we are so inferior to even be part of their consciousness? How could this be????

80. Comment posted by griffyusc on July 6, 2008 at 12:38 am (#751007)

    man this is one hell of a fight. come on Rampage

81. Comment posted by griffyusc on July 6, 2008 at 12:50 am (#751008)

    Beltran in the 3 hole??? Actually Beltran should be batting 6th behind easly. This is what his 3rd straight game without a hit. How nice of him to show up yet again.

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