by: Eric Simon on Jul 1, 2008 6:19 PM | Filed under: Game Chatters

731 Responses to “Open Thread: Mets vs Cardinals, 7/1/2008”

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1. Comment posted by Mak on July 2, 2008 at 12:12 am (#747916)

   Not to mention that if you remove one day game at Yankee Stadium against a bad pitcher while getting to DH, even those numbers burst like a bad souflee.

   oh for chrissakes

   http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/c/c2/Not-again-picard2.jpg

2. Comment posted by Athena on July 2, 2008 at 12:12 am (#747917)

   He does seem to have better ideas, Danny. I don’t disagree with that. He’s not wed to the the dame starting line-up everyday. Which allows him to rest players and reward good play. It’s been fun to watch and a big difference from Willie.

   I just don’t believe that the players were struggling because they didn’t like Willie. So the player might be doing better because he gets more rest or is properly platooned. But not because he’s happy that Willie is gone.

3. Comment posted by Grand Inquisitor Ramon on July 2, 2008 at 12:12 am (#747918)

   I think Manuel is doing a couple of things that already elevate him above Willie in my eyes.

   He’s playing Easley more to spell Castillo.

   He’s playing Castro more for offense.

   I will also add that he handles the media better than Willie.

   And his BP management and organization are superior.

4. Comment posted by Grand Inquisitor Ramon on July 2, 2008 at 12:14 am (#747919)

   I just don’t believe that the players were struggling because they didn’t like Willie. So the player might be doing better because he gets more rest or is properly platooned. But not because he’s happy that Willie is gone.

   Wow, I amde the argument about Delgado alone and it has ballooned into several players????

5. Comment posted by Athena on July 2, 2008 at 12:14 am (#747920)

   Haha, Mak! He needs a cup of Earl Grey. Hot.

6. Comment posted by Danny on July 2, 2008 at 12:15 am (#747921)

   I just don’t believe that the players were struggling because they didn’t like Willie. So the player might be doing better because he gets more rest or is properly platooned. But not because he’s happy that Willie is gone.

   100% agree, Athena. Great read IMO

7. Comment posted by Danny on July 2, 2008 at 12:16 am (#747922)

   Ramon, I think there was a general feeling by some that Willie had lost the team, or that guys didn’t like/respect him. I don’t think Athena is taking you to task.

8. Comment posted by Athena on July 2, 2008 at 12:17 am (#747923)

   Oh. Sorry Ramon. Let me re-phrase.

   I don’t believe that Delgado was struggling because he didn’t like Willie. He might be doing better because he gets more rest or is properly platooned. But not because he’s happy that Willie is gone.

9. Comment posted by mookie03 on July 2, 2008 at 12:17 am (#747924)

   i agree 100% athena. i think jerry is trying very hard to do things differently from willie partly to separate himself from willie and partly b/c it’s quite clear whatever they’ve been doing hasn’t worked.

   Jerry is much more of a fan’s manager. I like him, but I think the Mets could’ve achieved this same result by keeping Willie (1 game under .500?!)

10. Comment posted by Danny on July 2, 2008 at 12:19 am (#747925)

    Jerry is much more of a fan’s manager. I like him, but I think the Mets could’ve achieved this same result by keeping Willie (1 game under .500?!)

    Probably, but long-term, I think Jerry’s tweaks are worth a couple of games. And that may prove important (hopefully)

11. Comment posted by Grand Inquisitor Ramon on July 2, 2008 at 12:19 am (#747926)

    I think the whole “the players weren’t playing for Willie” argument is a bit of a strawman that many more sympathetic fans construct to easily discredit the idea that change was needed. Noone that I know argued that Willie lost the clubhouse’s total respect. I think the argument people were making was that a change was needed to send a message to the rest of the club, fans, and media.

12. Comment posted by Kneel Before Zod! on July 2, 2008 at 12:19 am (#747927)

    goodnight everyone

13. Comment posted by Athena on July 2, 2008 at 12:19 am (#747928)

    100% agree, Athena. Great read IMO

    Thanks, Sweetie!

    I don’t think Athena is taking you to task.

    That’s true, Ramon. (Despite my somewhat snarky response.) I had already forgotten how we got on the topic. I was really focusing on Mookie’s comment. I wasn’t trying to single you out. Sorry.

14. Comment posted by Ellis Dee on July 2, 2008 at 12:20 am (#747929)

    He’s not wed to the the dame starting line-up everyday.

    True, girls get on the bus! ;)

15. Comment posted by Grand Inquisitor Ramon on July 2, 2008 at 12:20 am (#747930)

    I don’t believe that Delgado was struggling because he didn’t like Willie. He might be doing better because he gets more rest or is properly platooned. But not because he’s happy that Willie is gone

    Um…but he isn’t doing any better since Willie left. That was kind of the point behind Danny’s usage of the statistics to show he had a roughly similar OPS before and after the June 18 firing.

16. Comment posted by Grand Inquisitor Ramon on July 2, 2008 at 12:22 am (#747931)

    Jerry is much more of a fan’s manager. I like him, but I think the Mets could’ve achieved this same result by keeping Willie (1 game under .500?!)

    Right now I think the difference would have been 1 game one way or the other. The problem is that A.) that difference could add up and B.) we could lose a playoff birth by 1 game AGAIN this season.

17. Comment posted by Danny on July 2, 2008 at 12:22 am (#747932)

    Night Zodder

18. Comment posted by Athena on July 2, 2008 at 12:22 am (#747933)

    I think the argument people were making was that a change was needed to send a message to the rest of the club, fans, and media.

    Fair point, Ramon.

19. Comment posted by mookie03 on July 2, 2008 at 12:22 am (#747934)

    hope so, Danny! I have been very unhappy w/ the offense and defense so far, esp this week, but it’s too soon to judge. Pitching looks good though, i love the new pitching coach (not too soon to judge!) ;)

    Yea, i think you are right Ramon. I think Willie had to go not necessarily b/c of his managing but b/c of the circus they created about it - it was killing the team, the fans, the media.

20. Comment posted by Athena on July 2, 2008 at 12:24 am (#747935)

    Good night, Zod.

21. Comment posted by mookie03 on July 2, 2008 at 12:24 am (#747936)

    I was really focusing on Mookie’s comment

    I started it!! sorry guys ;)

22. Comment posted by Athena on July 2, 2008 at 12:25 am (#747937)

    True, girls get on the bus! ;)

    :-)

23. Comment posted by Danny on July 2, 2008 at 12:26 am (#747938)

    mookie’s such a rabble rouser.

24. Comment posted by Athena on July 2, 2008 at 12:27 am (#747939)

    Yup. A real troublemaker.

25. Comment posted by mookie03 on July 2, 2008 at 12:28 am (#747940)

    that’s me, danny!

26. Comment posted by Danny on July 2, 2008 at 12:31 am (#747941)

    hahahaha

27. Comment posted by mookie03 on July 2, 2008 at 12:33 am (#747942)

    pedro’s gonna have a good start tomorrow, guys. I’m benching him in my FBB team just to make sure. It worked with Lohse yesterday! (that was a mistake, i didn’t realize they were playing at 7)

28. Comment posted by Athena on July 2, 2008 at 12:36 am (#747943)

    Good thinking, Mookie.

29. Comment posted by Ellis Dee on July 2, 2008 at 12:38 am (#747944)

    We’ll see if not tipping his changeup helps.

30. Comment posted by mookie03 on July 2, 2008 at 12:42 am (#747945)

    if he can manage to avoid tipping his changeup, I think it’ll help. But i guess it depends how long it takes him to make the adjustment

31. Comment posted by Danny on July 2, 2008 at 12:54 am (#747946)

    Alright my fellow Geeks. Time for some sleepy. Night to all!

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