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650 Responses to “Open Thread: Mets vs Nationals, 5/14/2008”
ramon - right now, no.
when the offense clicks, yes. it is as good as any in the league
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That’s circular. Of course when an offense clicks it can score runs. The question is whether or not you see our offense, as it has played this season, doing this?
Comment posted bymetswin2008on May 14, 2008 at 10:19 pm (#693372)
I rememeber Henderson had these 12-15 pitch Ab’s and then walk. You know what that does to a pitcher, lol
Comment posted byDepon May 14, 2008 at 10:20 pm (#693373)
this is exactly the kind of game why the W/L stat is just accounting bullshit in baseball.
Vargas gets tagged for that 2nd run fine, 2-1, he’s on the hook.
Heils makes it 5-1 ALL ON HIS OWN. all 3 charged to him. 5-1
we get up to 3. and Vargas still gets the L.
its retarded.
Comment posted bySimonson May 14, 2008 at 10:21 pm (#693374)
Heilman plays the newspaper that the cat pukes on. Wait that’s the fans.
of course, the yankees hitting coach when they wore out pitchers is canonized now.
you all remember how Down we were on Rick last year though, no?
Comment posted byHiro Protagoniston May 14, 2008 at 10:23 pm (#693378)
I think hockey gets that concept, because I’m pretty sure the goalie who allows the ‘game winner’ officially gets the loss, though those situations are much rarer.
Comment posted bymetswin2008on May 14, 2008 at 10:23 pm (#693379)
Hey I loved Downs. Reminded me of my drunken Uncle, lol
Down got more credit than he deserved for the Yankees and more blame than he deserved when he was with the Mets, too. Oh well.
Comment posted bySimonson May 14, 2008 at 10:24 pm (#693381)
No argument my man.
You’re better than that!
Comment posted bymookie03on May 14, 2008 at 10:24 pm (#693382)
Exactly dep - i think it should be the official scorer’s decision if more than 1 pitcher pitch in the inning where the opposing team takes the lead. 9 times out of 10 i’d give the loss to the starter, but in rare occasions like this, the pitcher REALLY didn’t deserve the loss
Comment posted bymetswin2008on May 14, 2008 at 10:24 pm (#693383)
Yea, that top 5 would give pitchers fits.
This line up has potential. It always seems like somethings missing with us though
Comment posted byHiro Protagoniston May 14, 2008 at 10:25 pm (#693384)
Down left the Yankees after 95 and didnt come back until 2002. Kinda funny they had their great right right in between. ;)
Comment posted bymetswin2008on May 14, 2008 at 10:25 pm (#693385)
Yea poor Vargas pitched his @ss off and he gets a loss. Thats a shame
Well that sucked. But it was expected with Vargas on the mound and a crappy starter.
Comment posted byDepon May 14, 2008 at 10:26 pm (#693389)
BAH! this loss has annoyed me.
i have to go distract myself with some graphic violence.
till lata….
Comment posted byHiro Protagoniston May 14, 2008 at 10:26 pm (#693390)
*great run right in between
Comment posted bymookie03on May 14, 2008 at 10:27 pm (#693391)
my question is, why am I hearing Church praising Hojo endlessly for his improvements and every other hitter is struggling more than they have at any other time in their careers. Aside from Schneider and Church, everyone is underperforming offensively (I’m omitting moises from that b/c he just came back)
Our lineup doesn’t adopt the general philosophy that the more pitches you see from a pitcher in an ab, the better off the offense will be. Hitters like Reyes, Church, Beltran, Delgado, Alou are all very good hitters but they are very aggresive types who look for their pitch and attack it.
Comment posted byBOB A. BOOEYon May 14, 2008 at 10:27 pm (#693393)
alou getting tossed really hurt us tonight ,,,,
Comment posted byjohnon May 14, 2008 at 10:28 pm (#693394)
it is very frustrating to see this team struggle against a team like the nats and do well against “stronger” teams.
i wish I knew why this was so.
I’m out for the night.
have a good one all.
Comment posted byDLon May 14, 2008 at 10:33 pm (#693404)
this team is just mediocre and has been for the last 150+ games, it’s the same old story for the mets
Comment posted bymookie03on May 14, 2008 at 10:33 pm (#693405)
Im just really depressed. I had such high hopes that we would just dominate from start to finish. Maybe we’ll get hot down the stretch when it counts.
This team is not as bad as they’ve looked at times this season. They are definitely better than they’ve looked this week… And there’s plenty of baseball to be played… CHIN UP!!!
Comment posted byjohnon May 14, 2008 at 10:33 pm (#693406)
oh bs.
I dont wanna hear he HAD to use Heilman…..he ended up using show and felciano as well, i do not want to hear he was short.
Comment posted byjohnon May 14, 2008 at 10:34 pm (#693407)
smith i meant
Comment posted byjohnon May 14, 2008 at 10:36 pm (#693408)
This isnt the same mets team tho. I know you think it is but honestly we won 88 games last season…..we added santana….we are a 90+ win team that just hasnt found our stride yet
Comment posted bylittlefallsmetson May 14, 2008 at 10:43 pm (#693409)
When absolutely everyone is 100% healthy, they’ve got a nice little offense that would eventually let Beltran and Reyes relax and start hitting consistently again.
The problem is… there’s just so much age IN that 100% healthy line-up that… it’s not going to happen often or for long when it does.
Comment posted byDannyon May 14, 2008 at 10:47 pm (#693410)
Heilman, oy vey!
Comment posted bypjon May 14, 2008 at 10:59 pm (#693411)
heilman served up a poop sandwich tonight. we needed the bats tonight.
Comment posted byDannyon May 14, 2008 at 11:02 pm (#693412)
I figured it might not be the Mets night when Beltran laced that ball with men on first and second into the DP to Zimmerman.
Comment posted bypjon May 14, 2008 at 11:08 pm (#693413)
i figured it wasn’t going to be the mets night when i saw the matchup. we had our chances though.
Comment posted bymetswin2008on May 14, 2008 at 11:10 pm (#693414)
Wow, was watching a little post game before hitting the hay. Did anyone see were Manny Rameriz caught a flyball, high fived a fan and then threw the runner out for a double play? Manny being Manny, lol
Comment posted bypjon May 14, 2008 at 11:12 pm (#693415)
know your place, manny
Comment posted bycpon May 14, 2008 at 11:18 pm (#693416)
Fernando pulled after sliding into 2nd tonight. Says he heard a pop but thinks it’s only a day or two. Hope he’s right, he missed 50 games his 1st season & 65 his 2nd season. Tough th develop when you’re only playing 1/2 seasons.
Comment posted bycpon May 14, 2008 at 11:32 pm (#693417)
Mets record by starting pitcher:
Santana 6-2
Maine 6-2
Figgy 3-3
Pedro 0-1
Vargas 0-1
Perez 3-5
Pelfrey 2-4
Comment posted byBOB A. BOOEYon May 14, 2008 at 11:49 pm (#693418)
ok ok gotta run we will get em tomorrow,,,
Comment posted bySimonson May 15, 2008 at 1:17 am (#693423)
my quick synopsis of how this game went. please guess which role is played by a. heilman
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That’s circular. Of course when an offense clicks it can score runs. The question is whether or not you see our offense, as it has played this season, doing this?
I rememeber Henderson had these 12-15 pitch Ab’s and then walk. You know what that does to a pitcher, lol
this is exactly the kind of game why the W/L stat is just accounting bullshit in baseball.
Vargas gets tagged for that 2nd run fine, 2-1, he’s on the hook.
Heils makes it 5-1 ALL ON HIS OWN. all 3 charged to him. 5-1
we get up to 3. and Vargas still gets the L.
its retarded.
Heilman plays the newspaper that the cat pukes on. Wait that’s the fans.
Henderson
Alfonzo
Olerud
Piazza
Ventura
Was as patient a 1-5 this franchise had ever seen. I loved that top of the order.
No doubt Dep. I always thought it was one of the most underrated stats in baseball.It did help my Steve Traschel arguement a little though, lol
of course, the yankees hitting coach when they wore out pitchers is canonized now.
you all remember how Down we were on Rick last year though, no?
I think hockey gets that concept, because I’m pretty sure the goalie who allows the ‘game winner’ officially gets the loss, though those situations are much rarer.
Hey I loved Downs. Reminded me of my drunken Uncle, lol
Down got more credit than he deserved for the Yankees and more blame than he deserved when he was with the Mets, too. Oh well.
You’re better than that!
Exactly dep - i think it should be the official scorer’s decision if more than 1 pitcher pitch in the inning where the opposing team takes the lead. 9 times out of 10 i’d give the loss to the starter, but in rare occasions like this, the pitcher REALLY didn’t deserve the loss
Yea, that top 5 would give pitchers fits.
This line up has potential. It always seems like somethings missing with us though
Down left the Yankees after 95 and didnt come back until 2002. Kinda funny they had their great right right in between. ;)
Yea poor Vargas pitched his @ss off and he gets a loss. Thats a shame
ramon - i do believe I answered your question.
now - no
clicking - yes
Well that sucked.
Well that sucked. But it was expected with Vargas on the mound and a crappy starter.
BAH! this loss has annoyed me.
i have to go distract myself with some graphic violence.
till lata….
*great run right in between
my question is, why am I hearing Church praising Hojo endlessly for his improvements and every other hitter is struggling more than they have at any other time in their careers. Aside from Schneider and Church, everyone is underperforming offensively (I’m omitting moises from that b/c he just came back)
Our lineup doesn’t adopt the general philosophy that the more pitches you see from a pitcher in an ab, the better off the offense will be. Hitters like Reyes, Church, Beltran, Delgado, Alou are all very good hitters but they are very aggresive types who look for their pitch and attack it.
alou getting tossed really hurt us tonight ,,,,
Its bugged me as well
Im sick of heilman
off to do the presentation
So really the answer is no.
Im just really depressed. I had such high hopes that we would just dominate from start to finish. Maybe we’ll get hot down the stretch when it counts.
poor custer
heilman has a bad outing
red wings on verge of losing to stars.
Im out Ya’ll. Have a good night. I definately need 8 hours sleep after watching tonight game
Eh, we have to better than this. I stil believe.
gammons says A’s may move street at the deadline.
do we have a road or avenue we can swap for him?
wakka wakka
goodnight 08 ,,, good luck john ,,,,
ha ha ha good one ed,,,,
it is very frustrating to see this team struggle against a team like the nats and do well against “stronger” teams.
i wish I knew why this was so.
I’m out for the night.
have a good one all.
this team is just mediocre and has been for the last 150+ games, it’s the same old story for the mets
This team is not as bad as they’ve looked at times this season. They are definitely better than they’ve looked this week… And there’s plenty of baseball to be played… CHIN UP!!!
oh bs.
I dont wanna hear he HAD to use Heilman…..he ended up using show and felciano as well, i do not want to hear he was short.
smith i meant
This isnt the same mets team tho. I know you think it is but honestly we won 88 games last season…..we added santana….we are a 90+ win team that just hasnt found our stride yet
When absolutely everyone is 100% healthy, they’ve got a nice little offense that would eventually let Beltran and Reyes relax and start hitting consistently again.
The problem is… there’s just so much age IN that 100% healthy line-up that… it’s not going to happen often or for long when it does.
Heilman, oy vey!
heilman served up a poop sandwich tonight. we needed the bats tonight.
I figured it might not be the Mets night when Beltran laced that ball with men on first and second into the DP to Zimmerman.
i figured it wasn’t going to be the mets night when i saw the matchup. we had our chances though.
Wow, was watching a little post game before hitting the hay. Did anyone see were Manny Rameriz caught a flyball, high fived a fan and then threw the runner out for a double play? Manny being Manny, lol
know your place, manny
Fernando pulled after sliding into 2nd tonight. Says he heard a pop but thinks it’s only a day or two. Hope he’s right, he missed 50 games his 1st season & 65 his 2nd season. Tough th develop when you’re only playing 1/2 seasons.
Mets record by starting pitcher:
Santana 6-2
Maine 6-2
Figgy 3-3
Pedro 0-1
Vargas 0-1
Perez 3-5
Pelfrey 2-4
ok ok gotta run we will get em tomorrow,,,
Aaron Heilman, fighting Irish