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January 29, 2008
USA Today is reporting that the Mets and Twins have agreed to a deal that would send Johan Santana to the Mets in exchange for four prospects:
There’s one word to describe what I’m feeling right now: giddy. Regardless of whether Johan is worth the price paid, it does inject some much-needed excitement into a drab offseason. Look for more coverage soon. 859 Responses to “USA Today: Nightengale: Mets, Twins Agree to Deal”Leave a ReplyYou must be logged in to post a comment. |
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If only we had Zito to be our #5 starter…
What?
If Scott Boras was a GM, he would have waited for the super bowl.
we know it. halftime.
We just got to stay healthy and focused this regular season and the NL is ours for the taking!
LOL, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
Mets definitely get the back page. Len Berman is in Glendale with the Giants and even he led with the Mets story!
I dunno why some people are down on Pelfrey… yeah, dude’s developing his secondary pitches more slowly than some would like but dude has also been hell-of jerked around, up and down.
With time, I think there’s a really good chance of the light coming on.
I mean, Maine’s light is still blinking on and off sometimes and he’s been around the block a little bit.
Guerra is sooo young and really doesnt have a curveball right now.
even though he’s great and all and i’m not hating on him, there’s a low % chance he becomes a great ML pitcher
True dep.
Damn…why didn’t Omar think of that?
The only thing left to hope for now is a return to health and form by Dirty Sanchez. If that happens, Pedro Dos to Dirty/Heilman to Wagner…not too shabby.
Pelfrey just needs to hone his command and his secondary stuff and he can be lights out or pretty darn good at least imo
Okay guys…I’m exhausted from all the excitement. But it was a great day. Glad I could share it with all of you! Made it even better …if that’s possible!
Go Mets! Go Giants!
Sanchez is still a MAJOR key to this season. if he doesnt come back strong, our BP could be our achilles heel all year or we could get by. we’ll see.
I agree LFM, I think Pelfrey has had to learn really fast considering ho wmuch the Mets have tinkered with his repetoire and moved him around.
Night Shea!
Guerra was so far off, yeah. Mulvey too, really. Hard to mourn either.
I do think Gomez’ll be a good CF for somebody someday because his wheels and his glove mean a lot if he can find even moderate plate discipline and… I think Humber’ll be a good middle of the rotation dude for somebody, eventually.
But two probably goods and two total-question-marks for one great… that’s fair.
I’m not saying that Pelfrey still can’t be very good. I just said I thought Humber would be better. Time will tell on that. Pelfrey as a number 5 is awesome IMO
It’s amazing how this one move turns the mets’ offseason from a downright failure into a major success.
My favorite comment today from beerleaguer:
You win pennants on defense and pitching, the mets improved theirs this offseason for sure.
As to the bullpen, Wise is already a vast upgrade over Mota, just by being mediocre instead of horrible. Wagner/Feliciano/Heilman is a great close-and-set-up team when they’re not overused.
The problem was… end of last season, Smith was too green than to not burn out his arm and… Sele Schoeneweis and Sele were terrible. The big three short relievers burned themselves out and The Great Collapse happened because there was no bullpen depth.
If Minaya and Willie agree to have given up on Schoeneweis being anything but a situational lefty and mop-up man? The big three plus Sosa in the long-relief role that makes perfect sense for him and Show in deep dark hole at the back of the pine?
Then you need two other guys to step up as acceptable for middle relief. Out of Wise, Smith, Sanchez and maybe Padilla… I think you could well have two of those guys step up into those roles.
Classic quote from my Twins fan friend: “I feel like my extremely hot girlfriend just broke up with me, only every news outlet in the country decided to run video of the point where she said ‘I don’t love you.’”
My response?
“It’s ok, because that really ugly chick still wants you.”
The writer who always finds a way to spin things badly for the Mets writes for Newsday, right? (Wallace Matthews)
If that’s him - he’s even crazier than usual in his latest article.
Nice, the Twins losing Santana for 4 prospects reminds me of a George Carlin skit that runs along the lines of the analogy you and your friend are making. Carlin once said in a standup bit that he never had sex with a perfect 10 before…but…he did fuck five “2’s” once before and that should count for the same! LOL!
Santana is the perfect 10 and the prospect are the 2’s.
Sarah, please send the link so I can read this rediculous “editorial”.
Wallace Matthews just took credit for the trade.
Title: From my lips to Omar’s Ears?
Future please send the link….
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spwally0130,0,5675394.column
Here’s a paragraph - and it doesn’t get any better from there.
I’m working on the link, if you still want it :)
Or you could just use the link provided by Confused…
I used to know how to create a link, but that information seems to have leaked out of my brain.
LOL! Is this guy serious? This Wallace Matthews guy is a complete turd. Calling him a hack is a disservice to all of the other hack reporters in NYC.
It’s hard to imagine that a guy could really be that stupid. It’s more likely that he knows how to get a rise out of people and enjoys it. But if he really believes what he writes, I don’t know how he ever got a job in the first place.
I read it already….thanks though.
Forget Wally M, he’s an idiot.
Read Keith Law instead on ESPN INsider about this trade.
(plus, it’s a FREE preview!)
i hope you still remember your blockquotes
exactly, he knows he’s being a turd. he does it for the effect. As if anyone with half a mind would believe the reason that the Mets front office made the deal when the did was because Matthews’ article criticized them–as opposed to 10 million other times he lamabasts them all year long.
Link please.
My favorite part about Wallace’s article is, at the end, he totally belittles Omar’s handling of the situation, saying Santana “fell into his lap”. Like Omar didn’t play this one well or something.
Here ya go, ITAC and everyone else:
Keith Law’s take on the trade.
Hi pj! As if I could forget…
This is another pathetically low attempt by Matthews to save face by claiming victory in the face of being proven badly wrong. He can’t crap on the trade as it is a no-brainer, so he will try to steal its thunder peice by peice first by taking credit for it and then for making it seem (as you rightly noted) that it just fell into Omar’s lap by forces mainly out of his doing. What a turd.
Thanks mf71.
For me, this deal was a total steal for the Mets.
IMHO….
I do like Gomez a lot, but I’d rather keep FMart.
I thought Humber’s surgery lessened the effect of his curve (as Law points out). And I also kinda think Humber might continue to be hurt on and off throughout his career.
As for Delios and Mulvey? Very expendable prospects in this type of deal.
my pleasure, Ramon :-)
Ramon, will you be switching over to ITAJ or ITAS now? :-)
The bottom line is we gave up prospects - and there’s absolutely no way to know how a prospect is going to turn out when they get to the big leagues. We may have given away a future star, and we may have given away absolutely nothing. It’s the risk you take when you trade prospects - and a very worthwhile risk IMHO when the guy on the other end of the deal is one of the best, if not the best pitcher in the game.
Given that we kept the most promising prospect we had, I would think it would be very hard not to be completely thrilled with this (as yet unfinalized) trade.
I think I will change my name to this new moniker!
In
Omar
I
Trust!
LOL!
very well-put, sarah
and even IF one of the four we traded becomes a star, so be it….Santana makes the Mets instantly (and vastly) better for 2008 and well beyond
Absolutely MFS71 - Although Pedro was great for us when we got him, he was definitely past his prime by the time he got to NY. Santana on the other hand…we have an ace in his prime. It doesn’t get much better than that.
Metsfan and sarah I agree. I’m not too hurt by losing these guys even if it does thin us in the pen and outfeild for a year.
From the Twins side though…can you guys imagine Gomez on astrotuff? That’s a scary sight for an opposing defense!
My favorite part of Law’s article; the “trickle-down” effect:
I truly believe every Met starter will turn it up a notch next year. Great pitchers have that effect on the rest of the staff.
hi sarah, nice work!
That’s an excellent point metsfan, I think there will be a major ripple effect with Santana’s arival as it soldifies the rotation with guys in roles that they can handle. Pedro doesn’t have to feel as if he must carry the staff on his own and the youngsters like Maine and Perez won’t be so pressured to be perfect in an attempt to improve on a very successful 07′ campaign. Pelfrey won’t be rushed so badly and can work on things in AAA and el Duque can even make his usual stint on the DL without too many worries with Pelfrey waiting to take his place.
Just a marvellous deal for the Mets. I’m sorry to lose Guerra and Gomez, but you don’t get a pitcher of Santana’s ability w/o giving up quality, and all things considered, the price tag from the Mets’ standpoint is more than tolerable. Otoh, I bet Smith is taking a lot of heat in Minny (though hopefully their cheap owner is taking some too. And to think people whine about the Wilpons!) We’ll never know for sure, but it certainly seems like the Twins could have had a better deal at the trading deadline from either the Yanks or Sox, when each was eager to ensure that the other didn’t get Santana. The Twins got greedy, though, and held out foe an even better offer. Problem was, as time went on, the Yanks and Sox realized that their division adversary wasn’t so interested in acquiring Santana, as making sure their hated rival wasn’t going to do so. At which point, the offers got worse instead of better, forcing the Twins to take the Mets offer when Santana told them to make a deal NOW (he was about to go on vacation until pitchers and catchers and wanted it resolved before he left) — or he would veto every single deal all season and wait to become a free agent.
Also, while I know ownership gets ripped around these parts quite a bit, kudos to the Wilpons for green-lighting this trade. They know he’s gonna cost them a bundle, but are also smart enough to know the marquee value here.
The best pitcher and a new state-of-the-art stadium on the horizon = good times to be a Mets fan!
too true, MFS. I will lay into the next idjit that makes a “Freddy Coupon” remark afer this. (assuming, of course, the deal gets done, as we all expect)
I think the Twins fans have a right to be annoyed with their front office. Whether or not the yankees and red sox were ever serious about santana, it seems like the longer the twins waited, the less leverage and the fewer options they had. The probably could have done better than what we gave them, but more praise to Omar for holding out.
I think the Twins hoped to play the Sox or Yankees into making a desparation offer. What they didn’t expect was for the two best offers to rescind their offers and leave the Mets as the only one on the table.
Thoughts of one frustrated Philly fan (from Beerleaguer) -
Outstanding deal for the Mets, just awesome. Even if Guerra becomes the next Carlos Zambrano, they got a guy who’s better right now and is still only 29. This only costs the Mets money, and they got lots of that, everyone does. Gomez is the next Roger Cedeno, minus the Dizzy Izzys in the outfield. Horrible deal for the Twins, who not only failed to get one elite prospect, but didn’t even get a package of prospects that truly fits their needs, infielders who can actually hit. Total walkover by Minaya and Los Mets. Did you know, BTW, that the Mets do not have ONE African-American player on their entire 40-man rosters?? Alou was born in Georgia but is of course Dominican; every other black player they have is Latino. Racism!!