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USA Today: Nightengale: Mets, Twins Agree to Deal
by: Alex Nelson on Jan 29, 2008 4:31 PM | Filed under: News

USA Today is reporting that the Mets and Twins have agreed to a deal that would send Johan Santana to the Mets in exchange for four prospects:

The deal is pending the Mets and Santana reaching agreement on a six- or seven-year contract extension and that Santana passes a physical; they have been granted a 48 to-72-hour window to do so. Santana has a no-trade clause that he will waive if agreement is reached on a contract extension.

The Mets paid a high price in prospects to land Santana, agreeing to send the Twins outfielder Carlos Gomez and pitchers Phil Humber, Deolis Guerra and Kevin Mulvey.

There’s one word to describe what I’m feeling right now: giddy. Regardless of whether Johan is worth the price paid, it does inject some much-needed excitement into a drab offseason.

Look for more coverage soon.


859 Responses to “USA Today: Nightengale: Mets, Twins Agree to Deal”

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  1. Comment posted by Mr. Met on January 29, 2008 at 11:13 pm (#599548)

    If only we had Zito to be our #5 starter…

    What?

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  3. Comment posted by dptydwg420 on January 29, 2008 at 11:13 pm (#599549)

    If Scott Boras was a GM, he would have waited for the super bowl.

    we know it. halftime.

  4. Comment posted by ITAC on January 29, 2008 at 11:13 pm (#599550)

    We just got to stay healthy and focused this regular season and the NL is ours for the taking!

  5. Comment posted by ITAC on January 29, 2008 at 11:14 pm (#599552)

    If only we had Zito to be our #5 starter…

    What?

    LOL, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

  6. Comment posted by sheadenizen on January 29, 2008 at 11:14 pm (#599551)

    Mets definitely get the back page. Len Berman is in Glendale with the Giants and even he led with the Mets story!

  7. Comment posted by littlefallsmets on January 29, 2008 at 11:14 pm (#599553)

    I dunno why some people are down on Pelfrey… yeah, dude’s developing his secondary pitches more slowly than some would like but dude has also been hell-of jerked around, up and down.

    With time, I think there’s a really good chance of the light coming on.

    I mean, Maine’s light is still blinking on and off sometimes and he’s been around the block a little bit.

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  9. Comment posted by dptydwg420 on January 29, 2008 at 11:14 pm (#599554)

    Guerra is sooo young and really doesnt have a curveball right now.

    even though he’s great and all and i’m not hating on him, there’s a low % chance he becomes a great ML pitcher

  10. Comment posted by ITAC on January 29, 2008 at 11:15 pm (#599555)

    True dep.

  11. Comment posted by sheadenizen on January 29, 2008 at 11:15 pm (#599556)

    If Scott Boras was a GM, he would have waited for the super bowl.

    we know it. halftime.

    Damn…why didn’t Omar think of that?

  12. Comment posted by jas on January 29, 2008 at 11:15 pm (#599557)

    The only thing left to hope for now is a return to health and form by Dirty Sanchez. If that happens, Pedro Dos to Dirty/Heilman to Wagner…not too shabby.

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  14. Comment posted by dptydwg420 on January 29, 2008 at 11:16 pm (#599558)

    Pelfrey just needs to hone his command and his secondary stuff and he can be lights out or pretty darn good at least imo

  15. Comment posted by sheadenizen on January 29, 2008 at 11:17 pm (#599559)

    Okay guys…I’m exhausted from all the excitement. But it was a great day. Glad I could share it with all of you! Made it even better …if that’s possible!
    Go Mets! Go Giants!

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  17. Comment posted by dptydwg420 on January 29, 2008 at 11:17 pm (#599560)

    Sanchez is still a MAJOR key to this season. if he doesnt come back strong, our BP could be our achilles heel all year or we could get by. we’ll see.

  18. Comment posted by ITAC on January 29, 2008 at 11:18 pm (#599561)

    I agree LFM, I think Pelfrey has had to learn really fast considering ho wmuch the Mets have tinkered with his repetoire and moved him around.

  19. Comment posted by ITAC on January 29, 2008 at 11:19 pm (#599562)

    Night Shea!

  20. Comment posted by littlefallsmets on January 29, 2008 at 11:20 pm (#599563)

    Guerra was so far off, yeah. Mulvey too, really. Hard to mourn either.

    I do think Gomez’ll be a good CF for somebody someday because his wheels and his glove mean a lot if he can find even moderate plate discipline and… I think Humber’ll be a good middle of the rotation dude for somebody, eventually.

    But two probably goods and two total-question-marks for one great… that’s fair.

  21. Comment posted by mdog1111 on January 29, 2008 at 11:22 pm (#599564)

    I’m not saying that Pelfrey still can’t be very good. I just said I thought Humber would be better. Time will tell on that. Pelfrey as a number 5 is awesome IMO

  22. Comment posted by sarah on January 29, 2008 at 11:23 pm (#599565)

    It’s amazing how this one move turns the mets’ offseason from a downright failure into a major success.

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  24. Comment posted by Future on January 29, 2008 at 11:24 pm (#599566)

    My favorite comment today from beerleaguer:


    Omar Minaya, in a memo to Pat Gillick:

    “I see your Pedro Feliz and raise you a Johan! Check mate, biotch.”

  25. Comment posted by ITAC on January 29, 2008 at 11:25 pm (#599567)

    You win pennants on defense and pitching, the mets improved theirs this offseason for sure.

  26. Comment posted by littlefallsmets on January 29, 2008 at 11:32 pm (#599568)

    As to the bullpen, Wise is already a vast upgrade over Mota, just by being mediocre instead of horrible. Wagner/Feliciano/Heilman is a great close-and-set-up team when they’re not overused.

    The problem was… end of last season, Smith was too green than to not burn out his arm and… Sele Schoeneweis and Sele were terrible. The big three short relievers burned themselves out and The Great Collapse happened because there was no bullpen depth.

    If Minaya and Willie agree to have given up on Schoeneweis being anything but a situational lefty and mop-up man? The big three plus Sosa in the long-relief role that makes perfect sense for him and Show in deep dark hole at the back of the pine?

    Then you need two other guys to step up as acceptable for middle relief. Out of Wise, Smith, Sanchez and maybe Padilla… I think you could well have two of those guys step up into those roles.

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  28. Comment posted by clmetsfan on January 29, 2008 at 11:35 pm (#599569)

    Classic quote from my Twins fan friend: “I feel like my extremely hot girlfriend just broke up with me, only every news outlet in the country decided to run video of the point where she said ‘I don’t love you.’”

    My response?

    “It’s ok, because that really ugly chick still wants you.”

  29. Comment posted by sarah on January 29, 2008 at 11:37 pm (#599570)

    The writer who always finds a way to spin things badly for the Mets writes for Newsday, right? (Wallace Matthews)

    If that’s him - he’s even crazier than usual in his latest article.

  30. Comment posted by ITAC on January 29, 2008 at 11:40 pm (#599571)

    My response?

    “It’s ok, because that really ugly chick still wants you.”

    Nice, the Twins losing Santana for 4 prospects reminds me of a George Carlin skit that runs along the lines of the analogy you and your friend are making. Carlin once said in a standup bit that he never had sex with a perfect 10 before…but…he did fuck five “2’s” once before and that should count for the same! LOL!

    Santana is the perfect 10 and the prospect are the 2’s.

  31. Comment posted by ITAC on January 29, 2008 at 11:41 pm (#599572)

    Sarah, please send the link so I can read this rediculous “editorial”.

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  33. Comment posted by Future on January 29, 2008 at 11:44 pm (#599573)

    Wallace Matthews just took credit for the trade.

    Title: From my lips to Omar’s Ears?

  34. Comment posted by ITAC on January 29, 2008 at 11:47 pm (#599574)

    Future please send the link….

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  36. Comment posted by Confused on January 29, 2008 at 11:48 pm (#599575)

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spwally0130,0,5675394.column

  37. Comment posted by sarah on January 29, 2008 at 11:51 pm (#599576)

    Here’s a paragraph - and it doesn’t get any better from there.

    From my lips to Omar’s ears?

    You’re welcome, Omar. You, too, Jeff.

    It could be mere coincidence that five days after I tore you guys a new dugout for being as active in the offseason as David Wells after Thanksgiving dinner, you go out and make the one deal that turns the Mets into a bona fide World Series contender. But I’d rather think not. I would like to take a little credit for this, too.

    I’m working on the link, if you still want it :)

  38. Comment posted by sarah on January 29, 2008 at 11:52 pm (#599577)

    Or you could just use the link provided by Confused…

    I used to know how to create a link, but that information seems to have leaked out of my brain.

  39. Comment posted by ITAC on January 29, 2008 at 11:53 pm (#599578)

    LOL! Is this guy serious? This Wallace Matthews guy is a complete turd. Calling him a hack is a disservice to all of the other hack reporters in NYC.

  40. Comment posted by sarah on January 29, 2008 at 11:54 pm (#599579)

    It’s hard to imagine that a guy could really be that stupid. It’s more likely that he knows how to get a rise out of people and enjoys it. But if he really believes what he writes, I don’t know how he ever got a job in the first place.

  41. Comment posted by ITAC on January 29, 2008 at 11:54 pm (#599580)

    I read it already….thanks though.

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  43. Comment posted by MetsFanSince71 on January 30, 2008 at 12:03 am (#599581)

    Forget Wally M, he’s an idiot.

    Read Keith Law instead on ESPN INsider about this trade.
    (plus, it’s a FREE preview!)

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  45. Comment posted by pj on January 30, 2008 at 12:03 am (#599582)

    I used to know how to create a link, but that information seems to have leaked out of my brain.

    i hope you still remember your blockquotes





    Santana!

  46. Comment posted by ITAC on January 30, 2008 at 12:05 am (#599583)

    It’s hard to imagine that a guy could really be that stupid. It’s more likely that he knows how to get a rise out of people and enjoys it. But if he really believes what he writes, I don’t know how he ever got a job in the first place.

    exactly, he knows he’s being a turd. he does it for the effect. As if anyone with half a mind would believe the reason that the Mets front office made the deal when the did was because Matthews’ article criticized them–as opposed to 10 million other times he lamabasts them all year long.

    Read Keith Law instead on ESPN INsider about this trade.
    (plus, it’s a FREE preview!)

    Link please.

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  48. Comment posted by Lunkwill Fook on January 30, 2008 at 12:07 am (#599584)

    My favorite part about Wallace’s article is, at the end, he totally belittles Omar’s handling of the situation, saying Santana “fell into his lap”. Like Omar didn’t play this one well or something.

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  50. Comment posted by MetsFanSince71 on January 30, 2008 at 12:10 am (#599585)

    Here ya go, ITAC and everyone else:

    Keith Law’s take on the trade.

  51. Comment posted by sarah on January 30, 2008 at 12:11 am (#599586)

    Hi pj! As if I could forget…



    Welcome to NY, Mr. Santana!

  52. Comment posted by ITAC on January 30, 2008 at 12:12 am (#599587)

    My favorite part about Wallace’s article is, at the end, he totally belittles Omar’s handling of the situation, saying Santana “fell into his lap”. Like Omar didn’t play this one well or something.

    This is another pathetically low attempt by Matthews to save face by claiming victory in the face of being proven badly wrong. He can’t crap on the trade as it is a no-brainer, so he will try to steal its thunder peice by peice first by taking credit for it and then for making it seem (as you rightly noted) that it just fell into Omar’s lap by forces mainly out of his doing. What a turd.

  53. Comment posted by ITAC on January 30, 2008 at 12:12 am (#599588)

    Thanks mf71.

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  55. Comment posted by MetsFanSince71 on January 30, 2008 at 12:14 am (#599589)

    For me, this deal was a total steal for the Mets.

    IMHO….

    I do like Gomez a lot, but I’d rather keep FMart.

    I thought Humber’s surgery lessened the effect of his curve (as Law points out). And I also kinda think Humber might continue to be hurt on and off throughout his career.

    As for Delios and Mulvey? Very expendable prospects in this type of deal.

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  57. Comment posted by MetsFanSince71 on January 30, 2008 at 12:15 am (#599590)

    my pleasure, Ramon :-)

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  59. Comment posted by MetsFanSince71 on January 30, 2008 at 12:16 am (#599591)

    Ramon, will you be switching over to ITAJ or ITAS now? :-)

  60. Comment posted by sarah on January 30, 2008 at 12:18 am (#599592)

    The bottom line is we gave up prospects - and there’s absolutely no way to know how a prospect is going to turn out when they get to the big leagues. We may have given away a future star, and we may have given away absolutely nothing. It’s the risk you take when you trade prospects - and a very worthwhile risk IMHO when the guy on the other end of the deal is one of the best, if not the best pitcher in the game.

    Given that we kept the most promising prospect we had, I would think it would be very hard not to be completely thrilled with this (as yet unfinalized) trade.

  61. Comment posted by ITAC on January 30, 2008 at 12:20 am (#599593)

    Ramon, will you be switching over to ITAJ or ITAS now? :-)

    I think I will change my name to this new moniker!

    In
    Omar
    I
    Trust!

    LOL!

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  63. Comment posted by MetsFanSince71 on January 30, 2008 at 12:21 am (#599594)

    very well-put, sarah

    and even IF one of the four we traded becomes a star, so be it….Santana makes the Mets instantly (and vastly) better for 2008 and well beyond

  64. Comment posted by sarah on January 30, 2008 at 12:23 am (#599595)

    Absolutely MFS71 - Although Pedro was great for us when we got him, he was definitely past his prime by the time he got to NY. Santana on the other hand…we have an ace in his prime. It doesn’t get much better than that.

  65. Comment posted by ITAC on January 30, 2008 at 12:23 am (#599596)

    Metsfan and sarah I agree. I’m not too hurt by losing these guys even if it does thin us in the pen and outfeild for a year.

    From the Twins side though…can you guys imagine Gomez on astrotuff? That’s a scary sight for an opposing defense!

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  67. Comment posted by MetsFanSince71 on January 30, 2008 at 12:27 am (#599597)

    My favorite part of Law’s article; the “trickle-down” effect:

    the addition of Santana does two things for the Mets above and beyond the direct value he provides with his pitching. One, he’ll give the Mets 50-75 more innings than they would have gotten from the starter he replaces in the rotation; he takes pressure off their bullpen and allows Willie Randolph to give his best relievers more rest, which he wasn’t able to do last August and September. Two, he pushes everyone in the rotation back into a more suitable spot. Pelfrey now has to “win” a starting role in spring training, which, given the work he still needs to do, is not a bad situation. Oliver Perez and John Maine won’t line up quite as often against opposing No. 1 and 2 starters.

    I truly believe every Met starter will turn it up a notch next year. Great pitchers have that effect on the rest of the staff.

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  69. Comment posted by pj on January 30, 2008 at 12:29 am (#599598)

    Hi pj! As if I could forget…

    hi sarah, nice work!

  70. Comment posted by ITAC on January 30, 2008 at 12:31 am (#599599)

    That’s an excellent point metsfan, I think there will be a major ripple effect with Santana’s arival as it soldifies the rotation with guys in roles that they can handle. Pedro doesn’t have to feel as if he must carry the staff on his own and the youngsters like Maine and Perez won’t be so pressured to be perfect in an attempt to improve on a very successful 07′ campaign. Pelfrey won’t be rushed so badly and can work on things in AAA and el Duque can even make his usual stint on the DL without too many worries with Pelfrey waiting to take his place.

  71. Comment posted by lucienlc on January 30, 2008 at 12:38 am (#599601)

    Just a marvellous deal for the Mets. I’m sorry to lose Guerra and Gomez, but you don’t get a pitcher of Santana’s ability w/o giving up quality, and all things considered, the price tag from the Mets’ standpoint is more than tolerable. Otoh, I bet Smith is taking a lot of heat in Minny (though hopefully their cheap owner is taking some too. And to think people whine about the Wilpons!) We’ll never know for sure, but it certainly seems like the Twins could have had a better deal at the trading deadline from either the Yanks or Sox, when each was eager to ensure that the other didn’t get Santana. The Twins got greedy, though, and held out foe an even better offer. Problem was, as time went on, the Yanks and Sox realized that their division adversary wasn’t so interested in acquiring Santana, as making sure their hated rival wasn’t going to do so. At which point, the offers got worse instead of better, forcing the Twins to take the Mets offer when Santana told them to make a deal NOW (he was about to go on vacation until pitchers and catchers and wanted it resolved before he left) — or he would veto every single deal all season and wait to become a free agent.

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  73. Comment posted by MetsFanSince71 on January 30, 2008 at 12:39 am (#599602)

    Also, while I know ownership gets ripped around these parts quite a bit, kudos to the Wilpons for green-lighting this trade. They know he’s gonna cost them a bundle, but are also smart enough to know the marquee value here.

    The best pitcher and a new state-of-the-art stadium on the horizon = good times to be a Mets fan!

  74. Comment posted by lucienlc on January 30, 2008 at 12:41 am (#599603)

    too true, MFS. I will lay into the next idjit that makes a “Freddy Coupon” remark afer this. (assuming, of course, the deal gets done, as we all expect)

  75. Comment posted by sarah on January 30, 2008 at 12:42 am (#599604)

    I think the Twins fans have a right to be annoyed with their front office. Whether or not the yankees and red sox were ever serious about santana, it seems like the longer the twins waited, the less leverage and the fewer options they had. The probably could have done better than what we gave them, but more praise to Omar for holding out.

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  77. Comment posted by Lunkwill Fook on January 30, 2008 at 12:44 am (#599605)

    I think the Twins hoped to play the Sox or Yankees into making a desparation offer. What they didn’t expect was for the two best offers to rescind their offers and leave the Mets as the only one on the table.

  78. Comment posted by sarah on January 30, 2008 at 12:48 am (#599606)

    Thoughts of one frustrated Philly fan (from Beerleaguer) -

    Earlier this off-season, some of you ridiculed me for being frustrated over the fact that the Phillies always seem to be bystanders when the big names become available. The idea of getting Bedard was foolish, I was told, since the Phillies only had lousy prospects to offer in return. Ditto Santana. Ditto Haren. Ditto Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum. Why be angry, you asked, that the Phillies have made no effort to trade for star players whom they had no chance of getting anyhow? Just look at the Mets as an example, I was told: they’ve been kicking the tires on every star player available but, without any great prospects to offer, they haven’t fared any better than the Phillies.

    Today we saw what happens when your GM is a big thinker & your owner is a big spender: every now and then you get lucky & some team gives away a star player for relatively little in return. This will never happen to the Phillies, because they don’t even bother trying — and the reason they don’t bother trying is not because they don’t have the prospects to offer, but because they’re not willing to pay what star players are worth.

    The Phillies are run by a small-thinker GM & a cheap-skate owner. While the Mets get Johann Santana for relatively little, we sign Pedro Feliz, Travis Blackley, Chad Durbin, and Shane Youman. Maybe now that the Mets have landed Santana, our owners will go hog-wild and pay $1.5M to get Kris Benson and his 75 MPH fastball.

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  80. Comment posted by warren c on January 30, 2008 at 8:43 pm (#601040)

    Outstanding deal for the Mets, just awesome. Even if Guerra becomes the next Carlos Zambrano, they got a guy who’s better right now and is still only 29. This only costs the Mets money, and they got lots of that, everyone does. Gomez is the next Roger Cedeno, minus the Dizzy Izzys in the outfield. Horrible deal for the Twins, who not only failed to get one elite prospect, but didn’t even get a package of prospects that truly fits their needs, infielders who can actually hit. Total walkover by Minaya and Los Mets. Did you know, BTW, that the Mets do not have ONE African-American player on their entire 40-man rosters?? Alou was born in Georgia but is of course Dominican; every other black player they have is Latino. Racism!!

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