June 3, 2007
Cut Franco
by: Future on Jun 3, 2007 4:07 PM | Filed under: Journals

It’s obvious he is past his prime. He’s not even at the Mendoza line, he can’t field all that well and he really doesn’t fill the need we have for a good pinch-hitter.

I say we have to start thinking about cutting Franco and promoting him to a coach of some kind.

(And no, I am not crazy, I want Newhan gone first.)

17 Responses to “Cut Franco”

  1. Comment posted by littlefallsmets on June 3, 2007 at 4:21 pm (#365941)

    I’m dropping Newhan and Johnson before I’m giving up on Franco but…

    Down the line? Maybe so. I’d give him a little longer, though.

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  3. Comment posted by 86Forever on June 3, 2007 at 5:19 pm (#365951)

    I thought we got rid of Matt Franco years ago?

    Oh wait … you mean the other guy. Well, he retired too. The garbage man’s dad.

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  5. Comment posted by Future on June 3, 2007 at 5:57 pm (#365955)

    I don’t know why everyone is hatin’ on Johnson. He’s not good but he’s just a stop gap. Franco is supposed to be a roster mainstay. Someone needs to light a fire under his ass. People might find it mean to cut him now, but it’s going to be a lot worse if the playoffs rolls around and we have to leave him off the playoff roster.

    I want Franco on the roster until Green comes back, when Green comes back, cut Franco and when Delgado needs a day off, put Green at first. To backup Wright at third see if Gotay can play there.

    Gotay is really growing on me.

  6. Comment posted by JamesSC on June 3, 2007 at 6:08 pm (#365957)

    No thanks, this team still has room for Franco, it is not a position that is going to get a lot of love in general, most ballplayers don’t except that role and he lives for it. I will take old man Franco for the rest of this year thank you very much.

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  8. Comment posted by Future on June 3, 2007 at 9:01 pm (#365966)

    What room? Does a championship team have room for a guy who isn’t good at anything?

    Most ballplayers don’t accept that role? What are you talking about? Most ballplayers in the league that are decent ballplayers but not starter material would kill for this sort of opportunity on a world series contender.

    I don’t know how you can just make those kinds of assumptions, “most ballplayers don’t accept that role and he lives for it.” I will rather take a guy who is competent at the role and doesn’t like it than a guy who lives for it and sucks like Franco.

  9. Comment posted by Old Mets Fan on June 3, 2007 at 10:30 pm (#365993)

    Some perspective? He only has 35 at bats so far. Cut him a bit of slack — at least enough to get some more at bats before we can decide whether he’s in a slump or over the hill.

    If he’s still under the Mendoza line come August, that’s a different story. But pulling the trigger now seems a bit over anxious.

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  11. Comment posted by Future on June 3, 2007 at 11:01 pm (#366001)

    Why wait that long? And if you cut him then maybe it causes reverberations in the clubhouse about letting him go.

    We all know he won’t get cut, he’s a character guy. But if he keeps hitting this badly by the time Green comes back, and someone like Gotay goes down who has significantly more versatility and is actually hitting the ball, I’m going to be pissed.

  12. Comment posted by littlefallsmets on June 3, 2007 at 11:48 pm (#366023)

    Well, there you go, though.

    Green could be out a while and…

    If Gotay goes down when Alou and/or Valentin come back, that’s not so much the fault of keeping Franco’s spot as it is the fault of keeping Newhan and Johnson on the squad after those moves.

    If things stay as they are when Green is 100%, I might well agree with you.

    But there’s a lot of roster problems to worry about before Franco is the biggest issue.

    When Valentin, Green and Alou are back and Newhan, Johnson and Gomez are down, then we can start fretting over the fact that Easley would be filling the role a younger stronger Franco would’ve been handing.

    And I’d worry about figuring out how to get Burgos back on the major league roster before that too.

  13. Comment posted by john (1st member of the corey coles fan club) on June 4, 2007 at 3:08 pm (#366206)

    How can u justify keeping a guy like newhan and dumping a guy like franco?

  14. Comment posted by littlefallsmets on June 4, 2007 at 5:48 pm (#366265)

    No, you clearly dump Newhan and Johnson and demote Gomez before you can justify kicking Franco over into a coaching position. That’s why I think I MIGHT agree with this guy in three or four weeks when all position players are back but…

    Yeah, there’s two AAAA sparrowfarts and a future star who’s probably a year and change away from being a major-league starter that you’d wanna worry about before you start thinking about cutting Ol’ Grandpa Can’t-Catch-Up.

    However little there is left in the tank, he deserves that much.

  15. Comment posted by Wdwrkr35 on June 4, 2007 at 5:54 pm (#366272)

    I agree make Franco a coach.

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  17. Comment posted by Future on June 4, 2007 at 6:03 pm (#366278)

    I say we get rid of both. Not just Franco. And at least Newhan can field.

  18. Comment posted by littlefallsmets on June 4, 2007 at 7:12 pm (#366327)

    Once Easley is a bench player, he’ll be able to field all the positions Franco and Newhan could in a pinch AND hit around .260 with some power… there’s no doubt about that.

    You can’t worry TOO much about the defense of back-end of the bench players. Once you know who your back-up C is, your fourth OF is and your primary infield spot starters are, it’s a lot more about having more bats than anything.

    If Chavez is the fourth OF, Castro is the backup catcher, Easley slots in anywhere on the infield and the outfield corners and your starting RF slots in as a first-baseman in a pinch… those last two guys are a lot more about their bats than their gloves and arms.

    And of the guys not on those lists, at this second, I’d have the most faith in Gotay to get a basehit on the pinch and after that… Gomez if he’s on the roster?

    If you’re committed to having Gomez and/or a healthy Milledge at AAA starting every day…

    I still have more faith in Franco than I do in certainly Newhan and so far Johnson as a last pinch-hitter off the bench who ain’t the back-up catcher.

    If when everyone is back, Franco is still looking this bad or Johnson isn’t looking as bad, a dude might change his mind.

    But until Alou Green and Valentin are all back, who do you bring up to fill Franco’s spot exactly? No-Hit Anderson? Rickey “Lima Time In The Outfield” Ledee?

    Franco’s still a better hitter than those guys, still better than Newhan, still better thus far than Johnson and everybody’s gonna say that Gomez and/or Milledge should be starting in New Orleans instead of pinch hitting every third game in Queens so I’ll just concede the point already.

    But for now, the roster spot is gonna be wasted no matter what happens with it so you might as well let the guy who’s earned it try and save himself between here and July.

  19. Comment posted by NjMetsFan on June 6, 2007 at 8:14 am (#367781)

    Make Franco a coach and cut Newhan. I would also send Johnson and Gomez back to AAAAAAA

  20. Comment posted by littlefallsmets on June 6, 2007 at 5:14 pm (#368266)

    When everyone’s healthy, yes, you send Gomez back to N’alins.

    But until Alou or Green is back and 100%, he’s still the best option they have for a third outfielder until those guys come back, unless you wanna see how Easley would hold up there for a few games.

    When Alou, Beltran, Green and Chavez are all healthy at once… sure, get him the at-bats in AAA. But ’til then, he’s still swinging better than Newhan and Johnson.

  21. Comment posted by Old Mets Fan on June 6, 2007 at 7:09 pm (#368368)

    Sorry . . . can’t resist:

    As of this moment:

    Franco is hitting .286 as a pinch hitter, and his overall OBP (while abysmal) is only .004 behind Delgado.

  22. Comment posted by argonbunnies on June 7, 2007 at 3:39 pm (#369521)

    Franco can’t catch up to a good fastball, making him a poor choice to hit against other teams’ hard throwing relievers late in games. That should be Easley’s job.

    Franco pinch-hitting for the pitcher in the 6th inning against a tiring opponent starter I have no problem with (unless it’s a double-play situation).

    I agree that we have enough versatility on the team that hitting should decide the final bench spots. Is Franco the best 6th-inning pinch-hitting option for us? Well, I don’t see any obviously better ones… if some Matt Stairs type becomes available, though, I hope Omar’s all over it.

    I would happily replace Newhan and Franco with two Orlando Palmeiros.

    Ben Johnson should be in AAA hoping to improve to the point where he’s an actual asset.