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January 3, 2007
  
2006 Mets in Review: Corner Infielders

2006 First Basemen: .272/.359/.529

Knowing that lack of production from first base was the Mets’ Achilles heel in 2005, Omar Minaya went into last offseason looking for someone to rectify that problem. On Thanksgiving Day, Carlos Delgado became a Met, and although he did not have one of his best seasons, he was still a beast offensively as he managed to slug more than .500 for the 10th consecutive season and finally put an end to the Olerud curse. Defensively, Delgado wasn’t quite as good, but he was better than advertised. He was also a monster in the playoffs, posting a 1.199 OPS against the Dodgers and Cardinals.

Delgado’s only flaw as a hitter at this point of his career is that he struggles against lefthanders, hitting only .245/.324/.470 against them since 2004. Ideally, Delgado would sit against the toughest lefties but it’s not exactly like Julio Franco is a much better bet against them anyway.

Potential Minor League Help for 2007

Michel Abreu, a Cuban defector, had an excellent year in AA for the Binghamton Mets in 2006, hitting .332/.404/.530. No one is entirely sure of his age as he claims to be 27 but some believe he’s closer to 31 or 32. As a right-handed hitter, he’d probably be a decent pinch-hitter/backup first baseman if given the chance but he’s probably not going to get that chance with Julio Franco already on the team and signed through age 58.

2007 Guesstimate

Delgado wasn’t as good for the Mets in 2006 as he was for the Marlins in 2005. That said, I’m not too concerned about him. For one thing, Delgado’s isolated slugging percentage was actually just slightly better in 2006 (.283 vs. .281) and his BABIP was about 60 points worse so it’s entirely likely that it was just some bad luck. Delgado’s still one of the most fearsome left-handed hitters in baseball and I personally think the over/under on his batting line should be .280/.375/.550.

2006 Met Third Basemen .306/.377/.516

David Wright’s 2006 season was pretty much a carbon copy of his 2005 season offensively. His BA, OBP, and SLG in 2006 were nearly identical to his 2005 numbers. Some Mets’ fans are a little concerned with his second half dip in power but he did finish the season strong and really had only one month that was less than good as he posted an OPS of .878 or better in every month but August.

Wright had a difficult season with the glove in 2006 and it appears that his defense regressed more than a little bit. While Wright did a solid job fielding balls hit to his left, he struggled to field balls hit down the third base line. Wright has the tools to be an average-to-good third baseman but defense is certainly the weakest part of his game right now.

Potential Minor League Help for 2007

None. Wright is the man.

2007 Guesstimate

One thing that has always amazed me about Wright is how polished a hitter he is. He has always been more than willing to take pitches and fall behind in the count because he’s confident in his ability to hit with two strikes. Despite his youth, Wright is a remarkably mature hitter. That being said, I’m not sure Wright is ever going to get much better than he already is. Although I could be wrong, I think he’s pretty close to his ceiling already offensively. That’s why I expect him to have pretty much the same season in 2007 as he did in 2005 and 2006. If Wright is going to grow as a player, he’s going to have to improve defensively.


73 Responses to “2006 Mets in Review: Corner Infielders”

  1. Comment posted by Raskolnikov on January 3, 2007 at 1:35 am (#206091)

    On DWright’s approach, I feel like he struggles against the guys with the high cheese. He likes taking the first couple of pitches, but if he falls behind, he’ll chase the fastball up. Not sure how he can get past that, but if he can lay off the bad ones and drive the grooved ones, he can get to the next level as a hitter. The great ones can simultaneously sit on the fastball and adjust to the breaking pitch - it’s a gift, but I haven’t given up on Wright being able to do just that.

  2. Comment posted by sheadenizen on January 3, 2007 at 7:32 am (#206095)

    I’ve got $100 that says you won’t be seeing DWright in the Home Run Derby this year. Any takers?

  3. Comment posted by jdon on January 3, 2007 at 8:20 am (#206098)

    He stopped going the other way second half. I don’t recall any HRs to right center, a forte of his. In the playoffs they ate him up away. He had a couple of accidental bloops ato right but they were jam jobs. I was amazed how dumb a hitter he became late in the season. I actually thought he might be hiding an injury.

  4. Comment posted by U-Right on January 3, 2007 at 8:36 am (#206100)

    I’ve got $100 that says you won’t be seeing DWright in the Home Run Derby this year. Any takers?

    You are right on that one. That derby killed his second half. His fielding was so weird because he made many outstanding plays but then he would make errors on routine throws.
    I hope he gets his act together this year. We need him all year

  5. Comment posted by Brian on January 3, 2007 at 8:37 am (#206101)

    with Julio Franco already on the team and signed through age 58.

    I thought he turned 58 last year

  6. Comment posted by Steve from the North Country on January 3, 2007 at 8:52 am (#206102)

    Will Carp replace Delgado in a few years?

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  8. Comment posted by El Deppo on January 3, 2007 at 9:21 am (#206103)

    Reyes > Wright.

    is there any doubt? Wright is no Zimmerman whooohahahaha. you know why? Zimmerman has a curfew.

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  10. Comment posted by El Deppo on January 3, 2007 at 9:27 am (#206104)

    I’ve got $100 that says you won’t be seeing DWright in the Home Run Derby this year. Any takers?

    You are right on that one. That derby killed his second half.

    hey if ppl wanna blame the home run derby that’s fine.

    but please stop acting like we know for a fact it was the derby, cuz ya don’t.

    maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t.

  11. Comment posted by sweetlew on January 3, 2007 at 9:31 am (#206106)

    Funny Dep!

    As for Delgado, let’s not forget that he played hurt most of last season. He had to have elbow surgery right after the season ended, so I chalk some of his second half struggles to playing through an injury. That really makes his play-off numbers more impressive.

    Sorry, Ruslan, it is fairly crazy to say that a 23 year old has reached his offensive peak. You guys like statistics, I believe there is a well based statistical study that shows guys tend to explode in their age 27 season.

    I don’t know about you, but between the age of 23 and 28 I went from 195 lbs. to 225 lbs., and I still wore the same pants. Wright will gain abut 15 pounds of muscle as he matures giving him a lot more power in the future. Honestly, when that happens, I wouldn’t be suprised to see Wright slide across the diamond to 1B. But that is probably 4-5 years away.

  12. Comment posted by Lister on January 3, 2007 at 9:34 am (#206107)

    it wasn’t the goddamned derby

    baseball is a difficult game and people go into slumps

    maybe he was slightly hurt - i’d buy that 100 times over before i bought it was the derby that somehow semi-permanently unhinged his swing…

    dep i’m starting to hate the anti-wright crusading

  13. Comment posted by sweetlew on January 3, 2007 at 9:35 am (#206108)

    Reyes > Wright.

    I wouldn’t have said that last off season, but I think that by 2009, Reyes is one of the top 5 players in the game.

    1) He is a short stop, a premium offensive position.
    2) His OBP surged last year showing he learned to hit.
    3) His power surged even more last year. If he played five more games, he would have hit 20 HRs.

    I don’t think it is beyond the realm of possibility that Reyes hits .310/.385/.500 with 60 steals, 100 runs and 80+ RBIs every year. The guy is phenomanal.

  14. Comment posted by Lister on January 3, 2007 at 9:38 am (#206109)

    in terms of popularity, certainly reyes > wright these days but people seem to forget how damned clutch and reliable #5 is.

    that’s the main reason i don’t get the crusade, dep, he’s not even the most popular met aNYmore - reyes clearly is (and shockingly, endy is up there!)…

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  16. Comment posted by met fan austria on January 3, 2007 at 9:38 am (#206110)

    Reyes > Wright.

    i agree, reyes is the superior player right now, especially defensively (imo he should have won a gg), dw has ways to go defensively

    Will Carp replace Delgado in a few years?

    i hope so, although julio franco is just entering his prime and may block him

  17. Comment posted by sweetlew on January 3, 2007 at 9:38 am (#206111)

    Why in the world are people even discussing a Blanton for Milledge deal? That is pretty much insane. I mean, surely Omar and Co. know that Blanton had a 1.54 WHIP and a .302 BAA last year?

    Hell, if the Mets need a crappy pitcher who can win games despite of himself, resign Trachsel!

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  19. Comment posted by El Deppo on January 3, 2007 at 9:41 am (#206112)

    i hope so, although julio franco is just entering his prime and may block him

    ah, that’s the kind of humor I like to wake up to! LOL!

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  21. Comment posted by El Deppo on January 3, 2007 at 9:41 am (#206113)

    dep i’m starting to hate the anti-wright crusading

    sorry dude. You’re really gonna hate me if DW struggles in April ;)

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  23. Comment posted by El Deppo on January 3, 2007 at 9:42 am (#206114)

    that’s the main reason i don’t get the crusade, dep, he’s not even the most popular met aNYmore - reyes clearly is (and shockingly, endy is up there!)…

    its not about popularity really that started it all. its about no one ever holding the golden boy accountable when he sucks while everyone else gets blasted.

    Wright has never taken the criticism reyes has at points in his career by met fans. shiiiit 95% of us wanted reyes traded.

    I’m not saying its right or wrong or anything, but that’s where it all started!

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  25. Comment posted by 86Forever on January 3, 2007 at 9:43 am (#206115)

    Mets third basemen who were better than DWright:

    Tim Bogar
    Roy Staiger
    Lenny Randle (I’ll call this one a tie)
    Ty Wiggington
    Tucker Ashford
    Elie Chacon
    Butch Huskey
    Jay Bell
    Desi Relaford
    Mike Phillips
    Luis Lopez
    Junior Noboa (another tie)
    Craig Paquette
    Marco Scutaro
    Bill Spiers
    Bob Apromonte
    Bill Pecota
    Tom O’Malley
    Chris Donnels (a close call, mind you)

    By the way, each of these guys saw a drop-off after the Home-Run Derby each year. Coincidence? I think not.

    This list proves it. David Wright must be cut!

  26. Comment posted by C Low on January 3, 2007 at 9:47 am (#206116)

    D Wright will be fine. As sweetlew mentioned he is only 23/24. I think it was more of the initial national spotlight from the All-Star Week and the success of the Mets success of 2nd half/postseason that made him press. He is just a kid. He may be spreading himself to thin with off the field obligations but whatever is the case for his 06 drop-off I have all faith that he will return to form and will go back to killing lefties and mistake pitches.

  27. Comment posted by Lister on January 3, 2007 at 9:50 am (#206117)

    I miss Luis Lopez.

  28. Comment posted by Lister on January 3, 2007 at 9:50 am (#206118)

    Q: Who did Luis Lopez throw a punch at in the Mets dugout?

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  30. Comment posted by 86Forever on January 3, 2007 at 9:51 am (#206119)

    Rey-O!

  31. Comment posted by C Low on January 3, 2007 at 9:52 am (#206120)

    Rey-O got beat up on the bus I thought.

  32. Comment posted by Danny on January 3, 2007 at 9:54 am (#206121)

    I worry zero about Delgado. He will hit. It’s what he does.

    Wright is a more interesting case. I definitely agree with Lister that baseball is a difficult game and that Wright just slumped last year. He’s right. That stuff just happens. It happens when an 1/4 inch is the difference between a swing and a miss, a foul ball, a pop up, a home run, a line drive, a hard ground ball, and a tapper. But Wright’s advanced approach at the plate to start his career does tell me that he is close to his offensive ceiling. Sure, as sweetlew says, he could fill out 20 more pounds and hit a bunch more homeruns, but will he be a better hitter just because he is hitting more homeruns and playing first base? I think this year will be a very telling year about Wright’s career path. I don’t anticipate Wright being a perennial top-5 MVP guy (how many people are?). But he will be All-Star caliber for his entire career, and those players help you win World Series.

    I have been saying for 2 years that Reyes had the potential to be the best player in all of baseball. The talent just oozed out of him. Let’s see if he can put together an entire year, how his power comes along, and whether he should actually continue to leadoff. He will also be fascinating to watch develop, but that is for another thread.

    Let’s not bang on Wright just because Reyes took such a leap. Remember, people wanted to trade and demote Reyes in 2005 because he wasn’t progressing at the same rate Wright was. Be patient and let these guys grow into mature professionals. They are still babies in baseball age.

  33. Comment posted by Lister on January 3, 2007 at 9:57 am (#206123)

    Was it on the bus or in the dugout or in the clubhouse?

    Also, why was Luis Lopez SO awesome?

    I wish more people had snuffed Rey Ordonez

  34. Comment posted by Future on January 3, 2007 at 9:58 am (#206124)

    Yeah sweetlew, but you were a Marine, I think that helped a little with the muscle building. Wright will gain some more weight, probably in muscle, and he’ll be even better than last year.

  35. Comment posted by Lister on January 3, 2007 at 10:00 am (#206125)

    i also miss pat maHOMES bigtime

  36. Comment posted by Lister on January 3, 2007 at 10:04 am (#206126)

    and mike kinkade

    and matt franco as a pitcher

  37. Comment posted by C Low on January 3, 2007 at 10:06 am (#206127)

    …posted by Matthew Cerrone…
    According to the Associated Press, the Royals have designated 2B Jeff Keppinger for assignment.

  38. Comment posted by Joe A. on January 3, 2007 at 10:07 am (#206128)

    Defensively, Delgado wasn’t quite as good, but he was better than advertised.

    I thought Delgado was pretty awful defensively. He has decent hands but he has no range on ground balls and his foot work around the bag is terrible. But he’s not in there for his glove.

    Wright had a difficult season with the glove in 2006 and it appears that his defense regressed more than a little bit.

    That’s funny, I actually thought Wright looked better defensively in ‘06 than he did in ‘05.

  39. Comment posted by Lister on January 3, 2007 at 10:09 am (#206129)

    I agree two-fold with you Joe.

    Delgado definitely contributed to some big innings against us with either bad judgment pertaining to range (i.e. breaking towards the bag on a sharply hit ball that, at the least, he might have knocked down while valentin had no shot).

    I also think David, despite some temporary struggles, was pretty damn decent. A few big late inning throwing errors (SF Bannister game stands out) and also a few game saving plays that were just outrageous (PHI Wagner insane double play). He’s just fine…

  40. Comment posted by Danny on January 3, 2007 at 10:10 am (#206130)

    There is a simple way for Wright to improve defensively. Play closer to the line. It’s that easy. Reyes has a rifle and can make plays in the hole. I don’t understand why Wright plays so far off the line. And even if one gets in between them, better a single than a double.

  41. Comment posted by Lister on January 3, 2007 at 10:10 am (#206131)

    *Delgado - or just bad hands.

  42. Comment posted by Lister on January 3, 2007 at 10:12 am (#206132)

    not incredibly interesting, but eh, from the times

    As they monitor Clemens, the Yankees want to stockpile young pitching, as they did when they traded outfielder Gary Sheffield to Detroit in November for three minor leaguers. Arizona has one of the deepest farm systems in baseball, with pitching prospects like Brandon Medders, Micah Owings, Dustin Nippert and Ross Ohlendorf.

    Ohlendorf graduated from Princeton and has a hard sinker, the pitch that Chien-Ming Wang has used to great effect for the Yankees. Ohlendorf had 129 strikeouts and only 29 walks in 183 2/3 innings at two minor league levels last season.

    “He’s a workhorse,” said Scott Bradley, Princeton’s baseball coach. “He was going to go to spring training with a real legitimate chance to make their staff. He’s been a starter his whole minor league career, but a lot of people think because he’s so durable that he could be a seventh- or eighth-inning guy. He gives up very few home runs because everything’s got that downward sink to it.”

  43. Comment posted by Joe A. on January 3, 2007 at 10:15 am (#206133)

    He stopped going the other way second half. I don’t recall any HRs to right center, a forte of his.

    It looked to me like Wright was just tired in the second half and that may have affected his approach at the plate. When he went to right he hit fly balls instead of line drives. I know he’s young and shouldn’t get tired, but Willie plays him every day (partly because we have no back-up at 3B) and he didn’t get to rest over the all-star break (hr derby, AS game, Letterman).

  44. Comment posted by Lister on January 3, 2007 at 10:17 am (#206134)

    some forthcoming rotoworld newswire reports:

    According to Newsday, the Yankees are moving closer to signing free agent Doug Mientkiewicz.

    The Daily News said the same thing last week. Mientkiewicz would probably be in line for a one-year deal worth $2 million-$3 million. If signed, he’d be the Yankees’ first baseman against right-handers. Free agent Mark Loretta, Andy Phillips and Josh Phelps would be candidates to platoon with him.

    don’t know offhand if they’ve got a 25-man spot for him…

    A source told USA TODAY that a Randy Johnson deal between the Yankees and Diamondbacks will get done this week.

    The Yankees are reportedly set to get three players — a major league reliever and two pitching prospects — so it looks like they’ll be paying a substantial portion of the $16 million that Johnson was owed. It was previously reported the Diamondbacks would have to give up just the two prospects if they were going to pay all or nearly all of Johnson’s salary. The reliever the Yankees are getting is probably Brandon Medders, though Luis Vizcaino has also been mentioned. Dustin Nippert, Ross Ohlendorf and Micah Owings were the prospects most frequently coming up in talks.

    they better not be paying a red cent for the big asshole

    Free agent Tomo Ohka is negotiating with two NL East teams, and according to Newsday, one is the Mets.

    In all, he has offers from four teams, though it’s unclear if any of them is goes beyond one year. The Nationals are the other NL East team in the running. They initially offered Ohka a deal a month ago, but it wasn’t quite what he was looking for. If signed by the Mets, Ohka could join Tom Glavine, Orlando Hernandez, John Maine and probably Oliver Perez in the rotation.

    i’m not too excited about him either way. he’s had some nice games against us, he also has a reputation of being an asshole.

  45. Comment posted by Lister on January 3, 2007 at 10:18 am (#206135)

    and, lastly, poor guy, i really do sorry for him even if he is an ex-bomber

    Nick Johnson continues to make slow progress from his broken right leg and might not be ready for Opening Day.

    “It’s coming along,” Johnson said by phone on Tuesday. “But I don’t know yet about the season. I just have to see where I am each week, then try to get better than that by the next week.” While Johnson’s break is healing normally, he’s still walking with a limp and he doesn’t have complete range of motion with the leg. The possibility exists that he’ll miss the first month of the season, putting Larry Broadway or Robert Fick at first base.

  46. Comment posted by Lister on January 3, 2007 at 10:29 am (#206136)

    helloooooooooooooo?

    what do people think about ohka? i like his ability, i guess, but hasn’t he had durability problems? has he ever pitched 200IP+? also, isn’t he a big jerkwad, at least according to mr robinSON?

    i’m game if it’s a short contract…

  47. Comment posted by sweetlew on January 3, 2007 at 10:30 am (#206137)

    Damn Lister, scouting the news wires!

    I would love to see Ohka signed for one big reason: IT MEANS NO STUPID TRADE!

    I don’t think Ohka is the year long answer, but his addition means that Pelfrey and Humber get to start in AAA where they belong.

    I could live with Glavine-El Duque-Maine-Perez-Ohka in the rotation and Williams in the Oliver role in April. With Williams contending for a rotation spot in ST.

    That rotation will be good enough to keep us infront of the NL East until July when Pedro can work his way back and Pelfrey and/or Humber is ready to step up in the show.

    I just hope that Omar is smart enough to sign Ohka (or whoever) to a deal that doesn’t include a no trade clause. Because in a perfect world, the Mets will be starting pitcher rich at the break and could be able to make a trade deadline deal to bolster whatever need exists.

  48. Comment posted by sweetlew on January 3, 2007 at 10:34 am (#206138)

    what do people think about ohka? i like his ability, i guess, but hasn’t he had durability problems? has he ever pitched 200IP+? also, isn’t he a big jerkwad, at least according to mr robinSON?

    First, Ohka is a solid arm. He had an ERA+ over 103 (with a high of 131) from 2002-205.

    Second, we won’t need him to be a season long workhorse. He has durablity issues, and has only thrown more than 100 innings once in the past three years. That being said, I honestly believe Omar’s focus is on solidifying the rotation in the first half of the season.

    Third, I respect the hell out of Frank Robinson, but he is a tough guy to play for. More than a few players bristled in his clubhouse. I think in the Mets clubhouse with the veteran leaders on this team, Ohka would be a solid citizen, and if he isn’t, he will be gone by July.

  49. Comment posted by Lister on January 3, 2007 at 10:36 am (#206139)

    Humber threw a grand total of 76IP last year excluding his 2 or 3 GS in Arizona.

    I don’t think we can ask him to throw more than 150IP, at the very most, this year. Just seems so dangerous for his elbow, don’t you think Lew?

    That doesn’t really leave him as a valid 2nd half of the season call-up, in my opinion.

  50. Comment posted by Danny on January 3, 2007 at 10:37 am (#206140)

    I am completely on the Ohka board. Sweetlew, you hit it on the head. Ohka gives the Mets a first half arm, and means the Mets don’t have to hit the trade market (or they at least have more leverage within it, less the scent of desparation).

    I ain’t say Ohka good, I say he like he good. At least for a little bit.

  51. Comment posted by Lister on January 3, 2007 at 10:37 am (#206142)

    Lew, can we get Ohka that easily that we will only use him for 3-4 months? I feel like he will command more than that, despite the (partially?) torn rotator cuff I think he had last year.

  52. Comment posted by Danny on January 3, 2007 at 10:38 am (#206143)

    Lister, Humber can be brought a long very slowly in Triple A, particularly with all the arms the Mets will have there. I think he could be a viable second half callup, but only if the Mets tread carefully with his arm, but still build up his arm strength at the same time. Not an easy task. But certainly doable.

  53. Comment posted by Lister on January 3, 2007 at 10:38 am (#206144)

    ahahhaa danny

  54. Comment posted by Lister on January 3, 2007 at 10:40 am (#206145)

    Lister, Humber can be brought a long very slowly in Triple A, particularly with all the arms the Mets will have there.

    So, you’re suggesting more or less that we only start him every 10 days instead of 5 in NoLA? To be honest, Danny, I’d rather just let the kid have another year in the minors, and not mess around with his development in the hopes of unleashing him in Shea in the dog days. I know what you’re saying, and how everyone thinks he’s close to MLB ready, but I’d rather get a well-paced 140ish IP out of him and call it a year with the hopes that he has shown himself to be a real contender for an April starting spot in Queens 2008.

  55. Comment posted by Lister on January 3, 2007 at 10:42 am (#206146)

    What will it take to sign Ohka in years and pennies? Someone advise, please!

  56. Comment posted by Danny on January 3, 2007 at 10:46 am (#206147)

    Lister, I don’t know exactly what the throwing program for Humber would be. But it would certainly be tailored towards limiting his innings. Strict pitch counts and an extra day of rest here or there would certainly do the trick. If the Mets have injury issues, Humber will need to be pushed. But otherwise, I agree that it would be better to set him up for 2008. On the other hand, how do you know a guy is ready for a spot in the big league rotation when he has only thrown 2 major league innings? You have to throw him into the fire at some point.

  57. Comment posted by Joe A. on January 3, 2007 at 10:48 am (#206148)

    So, you’re suggesting more or less that we only start him every 10 days instead of 5 in NoLA? To be honest, Danny, I’d rather just let the kid have another year in the minors, and not mess around with his development in the hopes of unleashing him in Shea in the dog days.

    I’m with Danny on this. I think Humber will pitch every 5th day but he will start the season on a strict pitch count that will increase gradually throughout the first half. What happens after that depends on how his arm responds. If he is healthy and pitching well in August and has worked up to 100 pitches per game, then I would give him a shot in teh majors.

  58. Comment posted by Joe A. on January 3, 2007 at 10:49 am (#206149)

    What will it take to sign Ohka in years and pennies? Someone advise, please!

    1 year, $4 million? I’m sure he’s trying to find a 2 year deal, but I doubt he’ll get it.

  59. Comment posted by Lister on January 3, 2007 at 10:50 am (#206150)

    I hear you Danny. I just feel strongly that, unless Humber is lengths ahead of Pelfrey, Vargas, that we ought to try to rely on one of the latter 2 for 2007 heavy lifting. Humber as a late season call up again to spell Duque or whatever is just fine. On the other hand, and completely unconventional, you could theoretically (assuming the major assumption of a dynamite spring) start Humber out of the gates and hope to ride him until the return of Pedro…

  60. Comment posted by sweetlew on January 3, 2007 at 10:50 am (#206151)

    I doubt Ohka will command a lot of money (at least in 2006-7 off season terms). I could see a one plus one deal in the 6-8 mill range. It will probably be performance based, etc. I don’t really care as long as it doesn’t have a no trade clause.

    I hope Omar has some leverage due to past knowledge of Ohka in Montreal.

  61. Comment posted by sweetlew on January 3, 2007 at 10:52 am (#206152)

    Come on Joe…I know he was hurt last year, but I doubt any starting pitcher signs as low as $4 mill! Crazy A$$ed market!

    As far as Humber, he will be on a pretty strict pitch count early in the season. The way you keep IP numbers down is to limit a pitcher to 3-5 innings for the first 2-3 months of the season.

    I could see a situation where Humber throws only 80-90 innings by June.

  62. Comment posted by Lister on January 3, 2007 at 10:53 am (#206153)

    I think that’s a lot to invest in Ohka, Lew, especially under the expectation that we’re scrapping him come August. I know it’s not quite that simple, but I think you get my drift.

    TLC will kill me here, but I’d rather throw 1M at Zambrano and then spread around another few $$$M on a Tony Armas than go “all-in” on Ohka.

    Torn rotator cuff in 06 and that fractured forearm or whatever a couple of years back… seems unduly risky for that money.

  63. Comment posted by Danny on January 3, 2007 at 10:54 am (#206154)

    It’s a delicate balancing act with young pitchers. When do you push them with innings? When do you throw them into the major league fire? It will be very, very interesting to see how the Pelfrey/Humber thingplays out.

    I like Vargas’ potential as much as the nexy guy, but this guy is a severe project. And don’t confuse him with Oliver Perez. Perez is much more talented. Vargas is at best a back of the rotation innings eater, a LOOGY, or a long guy out of the pen. He will never be a frontline guy.

  64. Comment posted by BryanB on January 3, 2007 at 10:55 am (#206155)

    I read somewhere that Ohka was looking for 3 yrs 18M. Doesn’t mean he’ll get it, but in this market I wouldn’t be surprised.

  65. Comment posted by Lister on January 3, 2007 at 10:56 am (#206156)

    Hmm… I’ve managed to go all this time without really hearing a ton about Vargas. It seems that when we picked him up, nobody in the media really supplied a lot of illuminating information. All I know about him is what I hazily remember from a couple of seasons ago in Miami.

    Danny - gimme a quick rundown on him would you? Pitches, tendencies, whatever… if you have the time. Thanks doggy.

  66. Comment posted by Lister on January 3, 2007 at 10:58 am (#206157)

    BB if you’re right then absolutely not.

    Zambrano for 1M is about as unpopular as John Kerry with Sweetlew, but come on man 18M to fucking TOMO OHKA?

    HELL NO.

  67. Comment posted by BryanB on January 3, 2007 at 11:01 am (#206158)

    Like I said, that’s what he wants …

    Humber probably won’t top 150 innings this season, he did 80.1 last year, the most he’s ever done is 128, so he’ll probably be monitored fairly closely this season.

  68. Comment posted by Lister on January 3, 2007 at 11:03 am (#206159)

    Should we mosey on over to the LINK DUMP???

  69. Comment posted by fernz on January 3, 2007 at 11:47 am (#206182)

    This list proves it. David Wright must be cut!

    are you retarted?

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  71. Comment posted by Ellis Dee on January 3, 2007 at 1:12 pm (#206226)

    Some fuel for Dep:

    David Wright’s slump started right after he signed that big contract. Once he got the big pay day he no longer needed to work as hard. We see from this exactly what kind of person DW REALLY is. ;)

    Surprised you haven’t used this one yet, Dep. ;)

  72. Comment posted by Dave in Spain on January 3, 2007 at 1:37 pm (#206242)

    AAA rotation will probably be: Pelfrey (maybe), Humber, Vargas, Bostick, and either Nageotte, Mulvey or Devaney??

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  74. Comment posted by El Deppo on January 3, 2007 at 1:45 pm (#206245)

    Some fuel for Dep:

    David Wright’s slump started right after he signed that big contract. Once he got the big pay day he no longer needed to work as hard. We see from this exactly what kind of person DW REALLY is. ;)

    Surprised you haven’t used this one yet, Dep. ;)

    consider it entered into Dep’s memory banks. Thanks :)

    I said this a few times during the 2nd half of the season LY but then went away from it lol

  75. Comment posted by BryanB on January 3, 2007 at 2:00 pm (#206257)

    AAA rotation will probably be: Pelfrey (maybe), Humber, Vargas, Bostick, and either Nageotte, Mulvey or Devaney??

    Morales(rule 5) has to be at AAA or returned, Mulvey probably starts at St. Lucie until it warms up, Devaney starts at Binghamton, just because it will be crowded at New Orleans, Bostick may even be in Binghampton. Pelfrey, Vargas, Humber, Soler, Nagotte, and Morales make six, hopefully one of the first three is in the ML rotation.

  76. Comment posted by Dave in Spain on January 3, 2007 at 2:57 pm (#206295)

    Morales?? Did we get him in the AAA phase of the Rule 5? Not familiar with him. I think Soler may go to the pen, as that is likely his future role. Do you think that they´ll move Mulvey back, even temporarily, after he did well at AA last year?

  77. Comment posted by BryanB on January 3, 2007 at 3:12 pm (#206301)

    Ricardo Morales from the Nationals system, pitched in high A, one start at the end of the season in AA, in the AAA phase of the draft(probably for taking Flores), rated as best control for the Potomac team. Mulvey only pitched a few games at AA, he may, should, start there, but they probably will want to keep him in the warm weather until May. Could go either way. AAA looks pretty crowed right now. Pelfrey, Humber, Vargas, Soler, Morales, Nagoette, Bostick, Devaney, Pinango, Edwards, Collazo, etc. Too may starting pitchers for 5 slots.

  78. Comment posted by OutofMarketfan on January 3, 2007 at 3:28 pm (#206316)

    Milo for Blanton rumors make my sick. I refuse to believe omar would do something that stupid. Hopefully omar realized he’s not going to get fair value for milo and holds on to him.

    Regarding Wright. Most of his second half struggles seemed to be related to not turning over his wrists, which could very well be an inury or strain (tendonitis or the like). It zapped his power, limited his ability to reach for balls (getting blow out away was one of of his biggest issues late in the year), and cut down on his ability to slap balls the other way like he was earlier in the year. I think if nothing else rest will allow wright to reassert himself at the plate. I think he may be hitting some of his physical ceilings, but wright is a smart player and he still has the ability to grow by refining his technique (I think the carlos’s will aid this as well).

  79. Comment posted by Wally Dykstra on January 3, 2007 at 5:07 pm (#206429)

    I’ll be fairly disappointed if Wright has already peaked offensively. The guy is so young. He should have his best years in front of him.

  80. Comment posted by cal on January 3, 2007 at 5:25 pm (#206468)

    ya i agree with dystra i think u guys r over exaggerating on wright, although he may have more or less peaked on his approach i think he will improve on his consistency. he will learn how to handle a full season better and stay stronger, i really belive he simply got tired. also he will hit more hrs. remeber he hit 20 before the break.

  81. Comment posted by Dave in Spain on January 3, 2007 at 5:40 pm (#206490)

    BryanB– thanks for the Morales info– hadn´t heard any of that. Where was I??
    Can´t wait for Spring training…

  82. Comment posted by BryanB on January 3, 2007 at 5:54 pm (#206501)

    Can´t wait for Spring training…

    Feb 28 DET vs NYM @ StLucie

  83. Comment posted by argonbunnies on January 4, 2007 at 1:34 am (#206827)

    AAA looks pretty crowed right now. Pelfrey, Humber, Vargas, Soler, Morales, Nagoette, Bostick, Devaney, Pinango, Edwards, Collazo, etc. Too may starting pitchers for 5 slots.

    The Mets intend to try Bostick and Nageotte in relief.

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