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January 31, 2006
  
Oh, the Bullpens You’ll Fix!

Since Rick Peterson has donned his Mets turtleneck/windbreaker in 2004 he’s been the object of as much criticism and complaint as anybody who has stepped foot on the field. Coming from Oakland with a reputation for developing the Big Three (Tim Hudson, Mark Mulder, Barry Zito), as well as helping Ted Lilly and Cory Lidle regain success, he arrived at Shea amidst much fanfare and the hope that he’d magically cure every struggling pitcher the Mets employed. While some argue that this aforementioned success has continued in the Mets organization (Tom Glavine, Jae Seo) others say it has not (Victor Zambrano, Kaz Ishii).

For whatever reason, starting pitchers seem to have always been hit or miss under Rick. Peterson tends to stress pitch movement, location and the changing of speeds in order to be successful starting pitchers — with velocity the least important factor in terms of pitching approach. However, regardless of pitch speed or deceptiveness, middle relievers seem to have a far higher success rate under Rick’s watchful eye.

Guys like Jason Isringhausen, Billy Koch, Keith Foulke, Chad Bradford and Ricardo Rincon had all credited Peterson for helping them discover mechanical issues or keeping them focused during their stays in Oakland, most if not all of which resulted in career years. In New York this success has continued with Braden Looper, Ricky Bottalico, Orber Moreno, Roberto Hernandez and Aaron Heilman. Whether Peterson’s plan of action regarding starting pitchers differs from the bullpen is relatively unknown. What is known is that whatever Peterson’s been doing with the relief pitching, it’s working.

This offseason Omar Minaya has gone about turning over the bullpen once again, which has resulted in bringing in a variety of different relievers for Peterson to work with. One is Chad Bradford — who enjoyed great success under Peterson with the A’s, and then put up back-to-back mediocre seasons without him. Another is Duaner Sanchez, who has had success as a setup man with the Los Angeles Dodgers, and even closed out some games to good reviews. And, of course, the Mets brought on Billy Wagner — who has the fire of a thousand suns in his left arm and needs no Zen pearls of wisdom to shut a guy down.

And then Omar brought us Jorge Julio.

Julio is the kind of guy that Rick Peterson seems to have the most success with — a guy with an above-average fastball with little to no movement on it, and limited control. Though he’s had his fair share of these types (Ricky Bottalico, Jason Isringhausen and Billy Taylor, just to name a few), the ones that Julio reminds me the most of are Oakland’s former closer Billy Koch and the Mets’ former setup man Roberto Hernandez.

Koch had some success in Toronto, earning the closer’s role in his first season as a Blue Jay in 1999, and posting two solid seasons of relief. In 2001, however, he faltered — in sixty-nine innings he gave up sixty-nine hits and walked thirty-three to go along with his fifty-five strikeouts. During the offseason, the Jays moved him in a trade to Oakland for Eric Hinske and Justin Miller.

Koch had something that no other A’s player had — a dominating, though relatively flat, fastball that could reach up to 97-98 with consistency. Last season, Roberto Hernandez had a similar fastball, though his was around 95-96. Julio is similar to both these men — they’ve all had past success (Julio had a 1.99 ERA in 2002 and 36 saves in 2003), they’ve all been closers, and they all have/had powerful fastballs. And, of course, they were all mechanical messes when they got to Rick Peterson.

Koch, though he featured that powerful fastball, never struck that many guys out for a closer. In his first full season with the Jays in 2001 his K/9 was 6.9, and in 2002 it increased slightly to 7.1. When Koch moved to Oakland, however, his K/9 jumped to a whopping 8.9. Koch credited Peterson for fixing a mechanical flaw — an inconsistent arm angle — and teaching him how to pitch instead of simply throwing hard.

With Hernandez, it was more of the same. While Peterson did make another mechanical adjustment — correcting his arm angle as well as his hand positioning in Spring Training — Hernandez credited Peterson instead with the fundamentals he preached: that pitching was all about keeping the ball down, pounding the strike zone, and hitting the glove. Either way, Peterson had remade another strong fastball into a reliable middle reliever. From 2001-2004, Hernandez’s K/9 was 6.7 — with the Mets it was 7.9.

Now Peterson gets a shot at Jorge Julio. Jorge’s got two potentially dominating pitches — a 96-98 MPH fastball and a late-breaking slider. But Julio’s fastball has gotten flatter as he’s gotten older, and his slider has been more and more inconsistent due not only to his issues with his fastball but also because of an inconsistent arm angle that screwed with his command of the strike zone. Last year, hitters could simply wait on the fastball, knowing that the chances of the slider being called for a strike were less than fifty percent. Right now, due to his shaky command, Julio makes too many mistakes up in the strike zone to be an effective and consistent reliever.

The Mets are banking on that turning around, however. Not only did Minaya trade Kris Benson for Julio, but he just avoided arbitration by awarding Jorge a 2.5 million dollar contract. While that is the same amount he made last year for Baltimore, it’s still a steep price to pay for a guy who looked pretty gruesome last season. And though Julio was markedly better on the road (.250/.305/.457) than at home (.287/.348/.448) last year, you have to think Minaya’s looking for something better than those numbers for the price he paid. With Julio in Peterson’s hands, there’s a chance he’ll get it.

And if not, well, we’ve always got Duaner Sanchez.


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  1. Comment posted by Dptydwg420 on January 31, 2006 at 6:39 pm (#26780)

    Hey FW, I’d agree with you on 95% on ur willie bashing…but that’s tooooo far. :)

    I’d take WR over AH any day.

    Who cares how good a strategist the manager is if the team doesn’t play hard.

  2. Comment posted by fire willie on January 31, 2006 at 6:51 pm (#26781)

    From Sept 1-15, the Mets managed 1 win. How did they “not quit” as everyone heralds? He denies the Mets problems in ATL, and says my guys don’t quit; yet, 1 win in the first half of Sept sucks, I see that as quitting.
    I don’t think either is the answer.
    I’m glad I get it right 95% though.

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  4. Comment posted by Dptydwg420 on January 31, 2006 at 6:58 pm (#26782)

    Hey man ur usually spot on, u usually have stats to back up your points…I give credit where credit is due….but not on this one…I mean I see your point, but…

    But then why did they get it together the 2nd half of september? If that swoon continued the whole month I would agree with you. Did not the sucking continue till the last game of the season 2 years ago? Why only bring up the 1st half of the month?

    You can’t quit half a month then decide to try again….that makes no sense to me at all. Why quit in the first half of the month when the whole season was on the line and then try again when its too late. I don’t buy that they quit in 2005…it’s called choking.

    They quit 2 years ago.
    They choked 1 year ago.
    Big difference.

  5. Comment posted by Danny on January 31, 2006 at 7:06 pm (#26783)

    FW, the Mets also played some pretty darn good teams in the first half of September. I just think that team was not good enough last year. Black holes at first and second base offensively, and a so-so bullpen. I think 2 of those 3 things have been adequately addressed, and hopefully a 2B emerges. Now if that old rotation holds up…

  6. Comment posted by fire willie on January 31, 2006 at 7:08 pm (#26784)

    So they don’t quit on WR, they just choke w him. Ok, when the pressure’s on you’d rather choke than quit. Thats fair. Wille = choke, Art = quit.

  7. Comment posted by Wdwrkr35 on January 31, 2006 at 7:22 pm (#26785)

    All the relief pitchers have one thing in common, fastballs in the 90’s. Wouldnt it be better for the team if we had a couple of relievers who were control type pitchers so the opposing team would see slower stuff before Wagner comes in and blows them away. If everyone throws hard stuff they will finally catch up after seeing fastballs possibly for 2 or 3 innings before wagner steps up. I was hoping that Zambrano was going to be in relief this yr so he could throw some of his other 3 pitches, which he did quite well with in early innings, before wagner came. That scenerio was ruined with the trading of Seo and Benson( god help us ).

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  9. Comment posted by Dptydwg420 on January 31, 2006 at 7:34 pm (#26786)

    You really don’t see the difference between choking and quitting? At least when u choke, you give it your all but you just don’t get it done. I think responsibility for choking falls on the shoulders of the players and the manager. Quitting falls on the manager moreso i feel.

    Do you think Charles Smith of the Knicks didn’t try his best to get that basketball in the hoop in the playoffs against the bulls that year? He tried real hard but choked. Do you think Kenny Rogers didn’t try and throw a strike to Andruw Jones in the playoffs? He tried and choked. Did the Art Howe mets even try to win towars the end of the year? Sadly no.

    I can forgive choking and understand it. It happens to all of else…it’s natural that people tighten up in tight spots and a lot of the kids on the mets roster haven’t really tasted “meaningful” baseball games in the majors. Where do you think the term of tight Spot comes from? Players get tight too.

    Quitting is unforgivable.

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  11. Comment posted by Dptydwg420 on January 31, 2006 at 7:46 pm (#26787)

    Also you better get used to “choking” by mets or any other team’s players.

    Cuz in baseball failing 7 times out of 10 can still get you to the HOF.

    Baseball is a game of failure, not success.

  12. Comment posted by mozartt on January 31, 2006 at 8:51 pm (#26789)

    quitting or choking. who gives a damn. the Mets had a chance at the beginning of september to make a move.
    randolph continued to put out idiotic lineups everyday. beltran hitting third with cairo or matsui batting second.
    in the field, cairo played leftfield for a couple of games.

    the misuse of the pitching staff was a disgrace!!! randolph all year long left his starters in the game until they surrendered 5 or 6 runs. when will randolph realize that the Mets are NOT the yankees. if the Mets are behind 6-1
    in the 6 inning, they are done. why leave the starter in the game until 6 runs have crossed the plate????

    heilman was used mostly for mop-up, when takutisi and graves were used in pressure situations.
    loopers ability of a Closer should have been questioned after the first game of last season, when he lost the
    game for Pedro. it was amusing during the game in september when randolph allowed looper to blow the ninth
    inning, and after the Mets tied the game, to blow the 10th inning. that was absolutetly pathetic!!!!!!!!!!

    bottom line, randolph cost the Mets last year and he will continue to cost the Mets wins as long as he manages
    the club. randolph looks like such an idiot allowing beltran to hit third. batting him second is a no brainer……

  13. Comment posted by mozartt on January 31, 2006 at 8:57 pm (#26790)

    correction to above…

    cairo played rightfield, not leftfield.

  14. Comment posted by 69Mets86 on January 31, 2006 at 9:10 pm (#26791)

    Dptydwg420,

    Trivia question: What pitcher was nicknamed the “Human Rain Delay”?

    and no it’s no trax.

    Dawg, Is this not a trick question? Of course MH was nicknamed the Human Rain Delay but Trax probably would be the best answer to your question as posed because Mike Hargrove was not a pitcher. He played DH/1B/OF (according to his career STATS) and I could find nothing about any innings pitched! His delay was before he stepped into the box due to the ritual he went through before each pitch, (touching more body parts than Roseanne at an All-Star game)!

    I’m sure that you didn’t mean this to read pitcher, but as a pitcher who slows down the game on every pitch for every half inning when he is in a game I’ll bet Trax added more time to games than Hargrove, (or at least until recent improvements). BTW….if this was a mental lapse I gotta wonder if this relates to the “420” in your nick! ;-)

    As for pitchers and mental stuff/choking, I believe there is a baseball axiom about guys stuff flattening out when they tense up and squeeze the ball and then overthrow. Benitiez sure seemed guilty of this on many occasions, particulalry those in the spotlight or in important games! (In those games you could almost start the countdown as soon as he came in….T-minus 60 seconds until launch!) If RP is the Zen master and looks guys in the eye and touches their shoulder for the mental/calming effect or even to read or boost a guy’s confidence then more power to him. (Of course if it’s because he’s seen Brokeback Mountain 30 times that is another story altogether!)

    And, while RP did not endear himself to me with the “ten minute fix” statement, as the ML pitching coach I wonder if some of the minor league improvements were done under his direction as to what to work on and how. (Not to disparage anyone at Norfolk as there is evidence of guys sent down there who were “straightened” out and I’m sure they had some influence.)

    BTW: please don’t ever ask me for the “stats” to back up what I say. I am not a stats geek but rather more of a “gut feeling” guy. I know this will be a blasphemous statement here but: You know what they say about stats don’t ya? “Figures lie and liars figure”! Statistical anlysis of the Mets chances in 1969, the 6th game of the 86 WS, the end of the 1999 season, etc., etc. would have had those teams going home earlier than they did and would leave us with no World Championships (and me without a nickname!).

    Me, I’d rather go with feelings and faith. I love the Mets, and as, (staying with the bulpen theme), one of our best ever relievers said once or twice, (Rest In Peace Tugger!)…Ya Gotta Believe!!!! I do believe and have faith in the Mets….it’s what makes us Mets FANS instead of Mets critics! Winning big when it looks improbable statistically can be amazing and miraculous….just like the Mets aka Amazin’s aka Miracle Mets! Let’s keep the faith and show a little optimisim once in a while instead of finding numbers to show how the glass is never quite half full! Anyone can be a naysayer, and some seem to do so just to have the pleasure of saying “I told you so” later! (BTW just because I am a Mets “glass half-full” guy doesn’t mean it is half full of Jack Daniels either!) ;-)

    Let’s Go Mets! Ya Gotta Believe! Run Mookie Run!

    Tom

  15. Comment posted by Nails on January 31, 2006 at 9:10 pm (#26792)

    The one amazing thing about adding Delgado to this lineup
    is that Randolph has no exscuse to bat someone as pathetic as Cairo in the 2 hole. That was the worst for me all season seeing that scrub bat second.
    Still he may bat LoDuca 2nd; which is frustrating, but at least he’s better than Cairo.
    I think Seo’s Super Friend should chance his name to Petersons Permy Mullet.

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  17. Comment posted by dptydwg420 on January 31, 2006 at 9:24 pm (#26793)

    69mets86,

    hahaha…my bad on the trivia question…hardgrove was definitely not a pitcher, the Q should’ve read player…my bad all the way.

    I wish I could blame the error on that one part of my name ;-)…but alas i was at work, :(

    any typos now and who knows? :)

    great post man. you make some good points and other hilarious ones.

  18. Comment posted by fire willie on January 31, 2006 at 9:34 pm (#26794)

    DD420, You know, when you manage a pen like WR, and get a failed experiment in Takatsu the ball time and again in a bad stretch of games, what do you expect? The team was set, the team was changed last second and the team realized the monkey pulled the throttle. Do you think Matsui will bat 2nd this year? Why did he down the stretch run in question?
    So maybe they didn’t quit, maybe they played hard, BUT the manager stifled and sabotaged their efforts nonetheless. So is it better to quit or be so ineptly managed that your team loses regardless? Answer, both suck bc you lose and miss the playoffs. “Quitting” is a hyped term in that regard anyhow, they had few MLers and the ones that were felt like they paid dues and didn’t have to play anymore. Those guys are out of the league now anyway. These players won’t quit; you have to balme thoose players, not the managers; or at least you have to be consistent w it.

    I 2nd the Mullet name for SSSF, via Nails.

  19. Comment posted by fire willie on January 31, 2006 at 9:37 pm (#26795)

    balme thoose
    blame those

  20. Comment posted by Rich on January 31, 2006 at 9:45 pm (#26796)

    FireWillie, I figured this would intrest you:

    The Tides announced their 2006 coaching staff today, through a team press release. Oberkfell, the 2005 Minor League Manager of the Year, will return for a second season as Tides manager…

    “I’m thrilled to be back for a second season with the Tides,” Oberkfell was quoted. “Norfolk is a tremendous city, and hopefully I can be a part of the Tides making an even deeper playoff run in 2006″…

    Howard Johnson returns as hitting coach and Randy Niemann will serve as pitching coach. Neimann replaces Dan Warthen, who is now a bullpen coach for the Los Angeles Dodgers. Neimann was pitching coach for Norfolk for the 2003 season.

    So Kenny O will be in place to take over for Willie Randolph during the season :)

  21. Comment posted by fire willie on January 31, 2006 at 10:12 pm (#26797)

    Thanks Rich. Whats the source on that?
    Randy Niemann, 86 Mets, Hojo too. The more the merrier I always say. I wonder what Mookie will do this yr. Did it say what RN did last year? I know Blaine Beatty left Bing for O’s farm team so another P coach is needed there too.
    Hopefully his contribution to a Tide deep run in the playoff he referenced will come in the form of being Mets manager and sending down VFZ and otehr scrubs that have no business in ML.

  22. Comment posted by fire willie on January 31, 2006 at 10:27 pm (#26798)

    Never mind Rich, thanks, I found it. Waht a funny name for a strength coach, Kenny Coward. I guess thats like the bot named Sue.

  23. Comment posted by fire willie on January 31, 2006 at 10:28 pm (#26799)

    damn typos today… Boy Named Sue

  24. Comment posted by fire willie on January 31, 2006 at 10:34 pm (#26800)

    How easily I forget, damn short term meory. Smauel, Valentin, and Brewer have Bton this year. Friggin space cadet today.

  25. Comment posted by Chris in ga on January 31, 2006 at 11:15 pm (#26801)

    So Kenny O will be in place to take over for Willie Randolph during the season :)

    When Willie’s fired, I think Omar will grab Juan Samuel to manage the mets. I got that from the story they did on the minor league baseball site when Samuel was named Binghampton’s manager.

  26. Comment posted by Rich on January 31, 2006 at 11:20 pm (#26802)

    Damn, Chris I hope your wrong on that one. I think Ken O will want to leave the organization real fast if that happens. Does Samuel even have any managering experience? If Omar does that, that will really open up those talks about him liking Latinos alot.

  27. Comment posted by fire willie on January 31, 2006 at 11:28 pm (#26803)

    What sounds bad is he had to be coaxed into the spot since he was thinking about taking the year off. It doesn’t necessarily say he’s next in line though; unless you were being sarcastic, of course.
    This is Samuel’s 1st managing job, but he was 3rd and 1st base coaches (not at the same time though, he’s not that talented) for Det (I think).

  28. Comment posted by Rich on January 31, 2006 at 11:34 pm (#26804)

    I do not want another guy coming in here with out managing a team first. Willie was given the chance, if he gets fired mid way through I wan any guy with experience managing coming in, not another first timer.

  29. Comment posted by Rich on January 31, 2006 at 11:36 pm (#26805)

    that should say I “want” not wan

  30. Comment posted by Chris in ga on January 31, 2006 at 11:45 pm (#26806)

    I was being sarcastic. If Juan Samuel ever wears a met uniform during the regular season as a coach of anything, Omar should be fired, Wilpon should sell the team and The network gets shut down.

    I think, if willie is fired, the interim tag will be slapped on Acta.

  31. Comment posted by Chris in ga on January 31, 2006 at 11:46 pm (#26807)

    I still have issues with Samuel as the Mets centerfielder back in the day

  32. Comment posted by fire willie on February 1, 2006 at 12:19 am (#26808)

    I think, if willie is fired, the interim tag will be slapped on Acta.

    My other hope is he manages the DR team into the ground. He can’t coach 3rd to save his life, and if he fails w the DR team, there would be no excuse; although sadly you may be right. Obie/Hojo 50-50 to push out Alomar and Acta if WR is fired as his replacement. What a pleasant dilemma, so nice to see someone write their interim prediction if Willie were actually fired.

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