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October 27, 2005
  
Winter League Update

Mike Jacobs 1b
.200/.333/.367
5/11 bb/so
30 ABs
3 XBH

Lastings Milledge cf
.296/.333/.519
3/10 bb/so
54 ABs
6 XBH

Andy Wilson c
.320/.414/.360
4/9 bb/so
25 ABs
1 XBH

Anderson Hernandez ss
.429/.429/.429
0/0 bb/so
7 ABs
0 XBH

Heath Bell
0.00 ERA
3 IP 1 hit
0/4 bb/so

Aaron Heilman
1.80 ERA
5 IP 4 hits
2/4 bb/so

Bartolome Fortunato
0.00 ERA
3.1 IP 3 hits
3/1 bb/so

Fall Notes.

Andy Wilson has been playing catcher and he’s thrown out 4 out of the 8 baserunners who have attempted to steal a base against him. Milledge has stolen four bases in five tries. Prentice Redman has left his VWL team due to a hand injury. Pedro Martinez hopes to pitch for Licey this offseason, and if he does, he’ll do it for free. His only condition is that children are admitted free to the games in which he pitches.


89 Responses to “Winter League Update”

  1. Comment posted by Benny Blanco from da Bronx on October 27, 2005 at 1:17 pm (#14630)

    What’s the deal with Heath Bell pitching like Billy Wagner during spring training, the minors, and the winter league?
    But during the regular season he just…throws. He doesn’t think, he doesn’t “pitch”, he just….throws.
    I know it’s a VERY small sample but he needs to start doing what he’s been doing during those times in the Majors.

  2. Comment posted by Michael on October 27, 2005 at 1:24 pm (#14631)

    Who can not like Pedro? He keeps this up and I may have to name my first born (girl or boy) after him.

  3. Comment posted by Neil on October 27, 2005 at 1:41 pm (#14632)

    Basically the same thing that Benny Blanco from da Bronx said but what’s with Anderson Hernandez hitting like Tony Gwynn everywhere except the ML level. I know it was only 16 at-bats or whatever the number was but he looked absolutely lost in every single one of them.

  4. Comment posted by Danny on October 27, 2005 at 2:06 pm (#14633)

    Though Milledge only went 1-5 yesterday to drop his average below .300, his one hit was a walk-off 3-run homer in the bottom of the ninth.

  5. Comment posted by fire willie on October 27, 2005 at 2:14 pm (#14634)

    Its great to know Wilson is 50% w policing runners. He did play 1b they other day, too.

  6. Comment posted by Bobby on October 27, 2005 at 3:01 pm (#14635)

    Love A Hernandez’s line of .429/.429/.429!!

  7. Comment posted by Wally on October 27, 2005 at 3:20 pm (#14637)

    Anderson Hernandez ss

    any reason you have anderson listed as a SS? the one boxscore i saw had him at 2b.

    What’s the deal with Heath Bell pitching like Billy Wagner during spring training, the minors, and the winter league?
    But during the regular season he just…throws. He doesn’t think, he doesn’t “pitch”, he just….throws.

    it was always the rap on him that he threw hard, struck guys out and didn’t walk many…but that he was hittable. it’s possible his stuff is just not good enough to get major leaguers out consistently but he cleans up against the lesser types that populate AAA, spring training and the winter leagues. that could be why he was down in norfolk work on his changeup…something to keep hitters off balance against his fastball/slider combination.

    then again, he really wasnt bad in the majors. career 70 K and 19 BB in 71 IP. 22 of 29 inherited runners stranded. he had a .374 BIPa last year. even for a guy with a knock for being hittable when he wasn’t missing bats, that’s high. it was .285 in a smaller sample size 2004. his HR rate is right about average. and he handles lefties as adeptly as he handles righties. i still think he can be a valuable member of this major league pen.

    Basically the same thing that Benny Blanco from da Bronx said but what’s with Anderson Hernandez hitting like Tony Gwynn everywhere except the ML level. I know it was only 16 at-bats or whatever the number was but he looked absolutely lost in every single one of them.

    because he’s not a major league hitter. at least not yet. he got overpowered by guys with major league fastballs and fooled by guys with major league curves. i’m willing to bet he compiled his minor league stats against the lesser lites of AA and AAA…and probably used his speed to take advantage of non major league defenses. it’s still early, but i don’t see how he can be considered a potential major league starter. he’s too small to ever develop any real power. so unless he can hit .300 *and* raise that walk rate, he looks like a utility guy to me. with his defense at short and 2b, speed and ability to slap the ball, though, he could be a decent one.

  8. Comment posted by bobby on October 27, 2005 at 3:23 pm (#14638)

    i wouldn’t mind if julio lugo was our 2B next year. cheaper than furcal, and i don’t think a hernandez is ready for everyday duty on the major league level.

  9. Comment posted by wally on October 27, 2005 at 3:29 pm (#14639)

    a few more notes on heath bar bell.

    22 of 29 inherited runners stranded.

    while he was great at bailing out teammmates, the favor wasn’t reciprocated. 8 of the 14 guys he bequeathed came around to score. combine these two numbers and he was much, much better than a raw ERA indicates.

    he had a .374 BIPa last year. even for a guy with a knock for being hittable when he wasn’t missing bats, that’s high. it was .285 in a smaller sample size 2004.

    it also wasn’t like they were knocking him around. just a few too many ill-timed singles.
    IsoPa
    2004: .107
    2005: .085

    also worth noting, our defense (and park) played much better to fly ball pitchers last year.

    BABIP G:F
    pedro .240 0.85
    seo .261 0.86
    ishii .252 0.89
    hernandez .260 0.96
    trachsel .263 1.00
    koo .303 1.22
    padilla .211 1.23
    benson .256 1.17
    glavine .289 1.51
    heilman .271 1.52
    bell .374 1.60
    zambrano .290 1.66
    looper .278 1.79
    ring .294 2.43

    that’s the exact opposite of what you’d expect to see. of course given that the right side of our infield and corner OF are still to be determined, the defense part of the equation could change next year.

  10. Comment posted by Ricardo Gonzalez on October 27, 2005 at 3:35 pm (#14640)

    any reason you have anderson listed as a SS? the one boxscore i saw had him at 2b.

    None, really. He’s played two games. One at short and one at 2b. Playing time at short is going to be scarce, though, as Licey has Hanley Ramirez and Aybar in its roster. Of course, with Luis Castillo, Ronnie Belliard and D’Angelo Jimenez scheduled to join the team, I doubt Anderson Hernandez gets much if any PT at either position. One thing he has going for him is that Manny Acta is Licey’s manager so he might still get some ABs. IIRC, Acta is one of the resons why the Mets traded for Hernandez. He managed him last winter, and he recommended him to Omar.

  11. Comment posted by Ricardo Gonzalez on October 27, 2005 at 3:37 pm (#14641)

    also worth noting, our defense (and park) played much better to fly ball pitchers last year…that’s the exact opposite of what you’d expect to see.

    Not really. Shea has played this way for the last 12 years. It’s the complete opposite of Dodger Stadium.

  12. Comment posted by kanehl on October 27, 2005 at 3:39 pm (#14642)

    I love Pedro but I’m sure not happy about him pitching winter ball when the Mets are paying him $14 million a year and his arm is hanging off the hinge at the end of September. And, to my mind, he’s not pitching “for free”; he’s pitching for some other team on the Mets’ nickel.

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  14. Comment posted by Matt Gelb on October 27, 2005 at 3:48 pm (#14643)

    Fortunato is a player to watch this offseason and next spring. He was a solid reliever before the injury and could make it into the 2006 soft underbelly of the Mets bullpen.

  15. Comment posted by sweetlew on October 27, 2005 at 3:49 pm (#14644)

    it is definitely good to see milledge hitting no matter where he falls!

    I continue to find Andy Wilson an unusual prospect – I mean he hit a ton at St Lucie last year in a pitcher’s league and never got promoted. He is old for that level – 24? – but his numbers were still fairly impressive. If his defense continues to appear solid, maybe he can be a future solid back-up. Does anyone know anything more about him? Did he start catching late – are they turning him into a back-up catcher and corner infielder? Just curious why he never got moved up.

    As for Hernandez and Bell – they are still young. Bell showed pretty good improvement after working on a change-up; so maybe he will develop into a solid, if not dominant, ML reliever. As for Hernandez – if he could hit .270 in the ML, I would keep him as a reserve – a guy wiht his speed and defensive ability is hard to find – who knows, maybe if we keep him a year or two he could turn into a Juan Pierre-lite; he is still fairly young for even AAA.

  16. Comment posted by ap on October 27, 2005 at 4:08 pm (#14645)

    yea ive always been high on ricardo matt..also tyler yates…hopefully he gets healthy fast cause he was a good pitcher IMO

  17. Comment posted by John on October 27, 2005 at 4:10 pm (#14646)

    Andy Wilson actually only has 1 XBH.

  18. Comment posted by Metsblog.com on October 27, 2005 at 4:14 pm (#14647)

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  19. Comment posted by Ricardo Gonzalez on October 27, 2005 at 4:27 pm (#14648)

    Andy Wilson actually only has 1 XBH.

    You are right. My bad. I confused an RBI with a HR. I’ll edit that right now.

  20. Comment posted by Adam on October 27, 2005 at 4:27 pm (#14649)

    Good old Bartolome coming back. He will be a big part of our bullpen next year!

  21. Comment posted by Benny Blanco from da Bronx on October 27, 2005 at 6:06 pm (#14651)

    i wouldn’t mind if julio lugo was our 2B next year.

    To be honost, rather than be commited to a player for soo much money and soo many years liek Furcal is surely going to cost, what i would do is much rather attempt, in this order to trade for these guys:

    1) Mark Loretta
    2) Julio Lugo
    and if can’t get niether of those two, I’d even try for 3) Todd Walker.

    Less is commited to these guys and something about Furcal I don’t like. But maybe I’m buggin’.

  22. Comment posted by sweetlew on October 27, 2005 at 6:27 pm (#14652)

    I think with Furcal it is the former Brave issue! But, he is not an ideal #2 hitter. I actually like Walker – he has a decent bat and I like his fiery attitude. Plus, if we commit to Jacobs at 1B, we could use a stabilizing veteran at 2B considering the rest of the infield would be have a combined experience of a whopping 5 years.

    What we really need is someone to give some of the Dominican snake-oil to Matsui so he could stay healthy! Then we could spend our money on other needs!

  23. Comment posted by Anthony on October 27, 2005 at 6:28 pm (#14653)

    I like the idea of the Mets acquiring Loretta ; he’s coming off an injury plagued season but two years ago he won the Silver Slugger award for NL 2B and has a very reasonable contract (the Padres re-upped his ’06 option for 3.25 mil). With the Padres presumably looking to cut payroll in order to resign Giles and Hernandez, and with Josh Barfield ready to contribute on the major league level, Loretta could be expendable. There may be a match with the Mets; remember that Towers tried to sign Cameron 2 years ago and they need a true CF for spacious Petco Park. Would you guys consider Loretta-for-Cameron the basis for a good trade?

  24. Comment posted by DG on October 27, 2005 at 6:40 pm (#14654)

    Does anyone know why Jeremy Hill is no longer pitching in the AFL for the Mets?

  25. Comment posted by Dan in Gettysburg on October 27, 2005 at 9:44 pm (#14655)

    There’s a slight positive correlation between BABIP and G/F ratio, although most of BABIP is due to other factors, I’d think.

    Oh, and more fly balls are turned into outs than ground balls. So that data doesn’t really surprise me. (Fly balls just have the tendency to lead to more XBHs, I think.)

  26. Comment posted by Seo’s Super Secret Friend on October 27, 2005 at 11:45 pm (#14658)

    So how do we get rid of KazMat? Everyone keeps mentioned 2B replacements while ignoring the money we have to pay Matsui.

    By the way, I thought it was interesting that two players put up numbers that weren’t very different yet one got touted as team MVP while the other was skewered by everyone.

    KazMat: .265/.320/.380
    Iguchi: .278/.342/.438

    I’m not saying KazMat didn’t suck (I mean he totally did), but he was better than Iguchi in Japan, right? I think we should spend our money elsewhere if only because we’re already spending too much on KazMat to bleed even more salary through second base. I mean, if we can trade the dope, sure it’d be great to find someone else, but are there any takers?

    I mean we have positions where we don’t have heaby salary commitments but need upgrades. Those should be the first order of business. I mean it’s not like one can build a major league team like we do video game franchises unless you’re the Yankees.

  27. Comment posted by Anthony on October 28, 2005 at 12:17 am (#14664)

    SSSF: You make very valid points, but I think at this point it’s probably best to view Matsui as a sunk cost and move on. As with Cedeno, Matsui has marked himself as a target of the Mets fan ire, thus making his position here untenable. I’m not saying it’s particularly fair or that Mets brass should make policy out of catering to the unjustifiable wants of the fanbase, but Matsui’s play and demeanor has done little to inspire faith that he’ll be able to turn it around here.

    And from a purely baseball standpoint, accquiring an offensively competent 2B ranks right up there with catcher and the bullpen as areas of greatest need for the Mets this offseason. Everyone out there is clamouring for a middle-of-the-order bat, but just as importantly they badly need a No. 1 or 2 type hitter to get on base for Beltran, Wright and Floyd. I assume that Reyes, rightly or not, will be allowed to develop at the top of the order, which makes getting a pure table setter all the more of a priority. KazMat stikes out far too much, his OBP is insufficient to really trust in that role, and generally has proven to be too unreliable to count on in any real way.

    As far as addressing financial concerns, any multi-million dollar commitments the Mets make this offseason will be offset by a good number of young minimium salaried players that will likely to be on the ’06 roster (Wright, Reyes, Jacobs, Heilman, Seo, et. al.) not to mention the veteran players whose salaries will be coming off the books this offseason (Piazza, Minky, Looper, et. al.). Thankfully the Mets aren’t tied into many onerous big money, long-term contracts and this, combined with the increased resources and revenue streams Wilpon will have at his disposal with the new network, ought to free Omar somewhat financially. I certainly agree with you that they shouldn’t adopt the Yankees’ model of reckless spending, but the Mets ought to have the werewithal to shop in the free agent and trade markets.

  28. Comment posted by Benny Blanco from da Bronx on October 28, 2005 at 12:51 am (#14669)

    So how do we get rid of KazMat? Everyone keeps mentioned 2B replacements while ignoring the money we have to pay Matsui.

    DO what we did this year…keep him on the bench. Or just wait until he goes on the DL…

  29. Comment posted by Josh on October 28, 2005 at 12:55 am (#14670)

    With all these possible acquisitions being suggested for second base (Furcal, Loretta, etc.) don’t forget that we had three good second basemen at Norfolk at varying points throughout the season. Jeff Keppinger (who would’ve been playin in New York if not for an incredibly untimely injury) hopefully is recovered (i don’t know) and would be a good #2 hitter: scrappy, gets on base a lot. Anderson Hernandez has already been mentioned so I won’t say anything more. Chase Lambin has the most pop of the three (had the highest OPS in the mets minors this side of Mike Jacobs) and a great work ethic (so i’ve read). Not saying any of these are the obvious answer for the second base vacancy, but just don’t forget them. I’d like to see Randolph let these three duke it out over spring training but i doubt that will happen.

  30. Comment posted by fire willie on October 28, 2005 at 12:57 am (#14671)

    You try to trade for another teams guy who “needs a change of scenery”. Somewhere that he’d be cool with (west coast or a turf team) and hope for the best. You may have to pick up part of the tab but you can’t even have him around b/c the booing in Shea really has to stop. In the middle of a good game, it demoralizes your team when one of your boys is getting it from the home crowd. I don’t know who needs a “promising” middle inf, but there’s got to be some sucker out there.

  31. Comment posted by dnyce14 on October 28, 2005 at 3:04 am (#14675)

    Jeremy Hill, RHP: Hill’s Arizona Fall League campaign came to an early end when he suffered an elbow injury and was sent home, replaced on the Rafters roster by Class-A righthander Henry Owens. Hill finished up the AFL with four appearances, going 1-1 with a 6.75 ERA in 5.1 innings pitched.

    http://mets.scout.com/2/456980.html

  32. Comment posted by Pavan on October 28, 2005 at 3:48 am (#14677)

    quick question. has anybody considered bill mueller for 2B? He’s a free agent and would be a pretty solid number 2 hitter.

  33. Comment posted by buddha on October 28, 2005 at 9:49 am (#14683)

    They should trade Milledge. He’s a good prospect, but they’re tied to Beltran and I don’t think Milledge will hit for enough power to play a corner spot.

  34. Comment posted by Met Fan Charlie on October 28, 2005 at 11:19 am (#14688)

    quick question. has anybody considered bill mueller for 2B? He’s a free agent and would be a pretty solid number 2 hitter.

    Didn’t he make it quite clear that he wanted no part of NY in any way, shape or form when he signed with the Cubs as an FA a couple of years ago?

  35. Comment posted by Benny Blanco from da Bronx on October 28, 2005 at 1:20 pm (#14695)

    They should trade Milledge. He’s a good prospect, but they’re tied to Beltran and I don’t think Milledge will hit for enough power to play a corner spot.

    Well Scotty Podsednik has NO power and he’s a corner guy. I think Milledge will hit good enough to warrent his position. He’s a solid kid. And remember, power is the last “tool” to develop…

  36. Comment posted by bmc on October 28, 2005 at 2:23 pm (#14698)

    Milledge should be untouchable. He’s a perfect fit for Shea, and for the Mets’s philosophy of pitching and defense.

    Average & speed are what works for right handed hitters in Shea, + defense in the outfield is essential in a park that kills fly balls. Plus, all evidence points to the kid having A+ makeup, which in my opinion is worth more than gold.

  37. Comment posted by bmc on October 28, 2005 at 2:29 pm (#14699)

    There’s a couple of huge caveats here, and you have to look at the park factors more carefully: Shea plays significantly different for righties vs. lefties.

    It boost HRs to right field (thus being advantageous to Lefty power hitters) while knocking down fly balls to left field (thus hurting righty hitters).

    This is due to the prevailing winds coming off flushing bay, cutting accross the outfield from left to right.

    On the other hand, Shea’s infield actually favors groundballs, (you may have heard Eyechart’s comments on the quality of the infield) but BABIP on groundballs is higher in Shea than elsewhere.

    also worth noting, our defense (and park) played much better to fly ball pitchers last year…that’s the exact opposite of what you’d expect to see.

    Not really. Shea has played this way for the last 12 years. It’s the complete opposite of Dodger Stadium.

  38. Comment posted by fire willie on October 28, 2005 at 3:12 pm (#14705)

    They should trade Milledge. He’s a good prospect, but they’re tied to Beltran and I don’t think Milledge will hit for enough power to play a corner spot.

    What does “enough” power translate to? He hit his third HR of the AFL, a 3 run walk off homer the other day. So clutch power the other day, speed, in fact touted five tools, and not one is weak. If he were a corner outfielder in Shea, you would be proud, especially with he and Reyes atop the order.

  39. Comment posted by Benny Blanco from da Bronx on October 28, 2005 at 5:09 pm (#14712)

    firewillie, I’m confused here, are you agreeing with me, or are you disagreeing and mocking me?

  40. Comment posted by Benny Blanco from da Bronx on October 28, 2005 at 5:10 pm (#14713)

    Wow, forget it man, I read it wrong, you weren’t even quoting me.
    Sorry man, just ignore it…

  41. Comment posted by fire willie on October 28, 2005 at 7:58 pm (#14719)

    B3– Quoted Buddha, the same guy you quoted, not mocking, I like Milledge, I didn’t actually see yours before I posted, but yes, I agree with you.

  42. Comment posted by fire willie on October 29, 2005 at 12:55 am (#14724)

    He hit his third HR of the AFL, a 3 run walk off homer the other day

    Make that his 4th tonight.

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