June 19, 2005
by: Matt Gelb on Jun 19, 2005 7:21 PM | Filed under: Blog

Let the movement begin.

Randolph’s tactics have been questioned every game in the past three weeks and today marked the culmination of it all.

Removing Heilman after 2.2 excellent innings was conspicuous, but replacing him with Mike DeJean (of the 2.10 WHIP) is simply utterly inconceivable.

69 games into the 2005 season and the Mets stand at 33-36. Last year at the same point, the Mets were one game over .500 at 35-34. The 2005 team is just a wee bit better than the 2004 team on paper.

Let’s start seeing some radical things happening.

84 Responses to “FIRE RANDOLPH”

  1. Comment posted by Jeremy Heit on June 19, 2005 at 7:45 pm (#5106)

    Ignoring the fact that I disagree with firing Willie Randolph right now (even if I am as disgusted with some of his in-game managerial skills as everyone else is), who would you repalce him with at this point?

  2. Comment posted by azem on June 19, 2005 at 7:51 pm (#5107)

    we shouldve have gotten this guy prior to howe

    3 words

    sweet lou piniella

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  4. Comment posted by Matt Gelb on June 19, 2005 at 7:53 pm (#5108)

    I like the two guys down in Norfolk and Oberkfell could get a nice in-season tryout.

    Anyways, for 2006, I’d never thought I say it but…bring back Bobby V?

  5. Comment posted by Seo’s Super Secret Friend on June 19, 2005 at 7:53 pm (#5109)

    Randolph won’t get fired. Not this season. He’s got the Yankee pedigree, and he sure looks good standing on the dugout steps with that stern old-timer look. This team needs an ownership change. The success of an organization begins at the top. Think about how much impact John Henry and Robert Kraft have had on their respective organizations. Let’s face it, only a mediocre GM, hired by mediocre owners, could have hired a mediocre manager who NEVER looks at the numbers and manages by “feel” and “feel” only. I used to think that Omar constantly being fleeced in trades in Montreal was a function of MLB’s interference. Now I realize that he really IS that bad. I hope nobody brings up the Beltran/Pedro signings as evidence of his abilities. My five year-old could’ve figured out that Beltran and Pedro were good people to sign.

  6. Comment posted by Sam Burns on June 19, 2005 at 7:54 pm (#5110)

    Unquestionably, Randolph is the source of the problems with the Mets this year. Whether it was benching Floyd when he was on a 20 game hitting streak, or having RIng pitch to the righty the other day, or taking out Heilman today, he is just not smart. But the problem is deeper. He thinks he is smart, and that is where the biggest danger is. A not smart manager who thinks he is. He listens to noone.
    His mistakes are endless. Just today:
    He again put Anderson leading off (stupid) Wright up 7th again (completely crazy) and continues this stupidity of Daubach in between Piazza and Wright. He took out Heilman as we said-(his excuse was just announced-that he ‘didn’t want him to go longer than he went any other time in relief’- a crazy statement, since he is a starter!) , also and left in Dejuan too long. Took too long to warm up other pitchers…..No bunts, no steals………Why is Piazza catching if he can be a DH, we know how he hurts himself all the time behind the plate………do we need to keep going!
    Now, furthermore, he sabatoges the games. How can we forget what he did a week ago, when he double swiched Kaz into the game, and thereby ended the game with Anderson batting for Cameron!!!! This manager has all the players down.
    He thinks that he must line up his batting order lt/rt. He’s just a simpleton manager, and way over his head. But he THINKS he is so smart.
    Earlier in the year, when certain players were doing well, he would say, that so and so was putting a ‘nice little streak’ together. He was never quick to fully complement the hitters doing well. This is because, he was a Yankee for many years, and has ‘higher standards’ before he can give out a big compliment, and he rememebers himself to being a great player himself. Look back at the archives and you will see his comments always half way complimentary. When people critisize him, he has said…’bring it on’.
    He is full of himself. Any manager that keeps saying I manage by ‘feel’ means, that though everyone else does it by the book, he considers himself smarter. But unfortunately,
    he is not too smart at all.
    For a team supposedly suffering from a lack of offense, what has he done to spark the team… where are the steals… the bunts…
    He stand sthe whole game by the railing with this sourpuss face. He is putting a terrible mood into the team. FIRE RANDOLPH is obvious. The sooner the better.

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  8. Comment posted by Matt Gelb on June 19, 2005 at 7:57 pm (#5111)

    Unquestionably, Randolph is the source of the problems with the Mets this year.

    I wouldn’t go this far, because no manager/coach can ever be the source of a problem with a struggling team.

    The players should be held accountable, whomever they may be. Sure Beltran has been a disappointment, but I blame him more for resisting a DL stint (or should I be blaming the organization which once again turns to the players’ opinions of their own health rather than the doctor?).

    But Randolph hasn’t helped much.

    We’ve been saying it all year long – there are a few tweaks that can and should be made to improve the chances of winning and hardly any of them have been explored. That’s what is the most frustrating.

    He’s a by-the-book manager and that style has become antiquated.

  9. Comment posted by Ricardo Gonzalez on June 19, 2005 at 8:00 pm (#5112)

    I don’t think Randolph should be fired, but needless to say, I don’t think he’s doing a good job either. My biggest issue with him has been his inability to make adjustments during the season. Ever since he was named the manager, Randolph has believed in three things and has refused to waver in these beliefs regardless of evidency to the contrary:

    1. You must have a L/R balance in the lineup, regardless of the quality of the hitters.

    2. Speed over OBP at the top of the order.

    3. Veteran players, even those who’ve had only one year of major league experience are better than rookies.

    I don’t know why Willie doesn’t think he can overstep these boundaries, but I don’t think there’s any question that he’s hurt the team because of them. If Jack McKeon can put a 20 year old Miguel Cabrera in the three hole, why can’t Randolph do the same with Wright? If Frank Robinson can move Christian Guzman lower in the order because he has a horrible OBP, why can’t do the same with Reyes?

  10. Comment posted by Ethan on June 19, 2005 at 8:01 pm (#5114)

    I was never a fan of Art Howe’s and I certainly didn’t like the feel of the team the past few years. However, I can’t ever remember being as constantly frustrated with a manager’s decision making as I have been with Randolph. What I think people failed to realize with Bobby V. was that while he certainly ruffles a lot of feathers and can be a distraction (but is it really such a problem to deflect attention from the players?), he is a pretty intelligent guy (as far as baseball managers go) and one of the best tactical managers around. He never should have been let go to begin with and I think it’s clear that it is the Wilpons who need to be fired in order for this franchise to really move forward.

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  12. Comment posted by Matt Gelb on June 19, 2005 at 8:03 pm (#5115)

    Perhaps I don’t want Willie fired, say tomorrow, but I’d like to see more clammoring for some changes. Let’s at least begin to bring up the topic.

    I’d like to see more action especially from the NY media which has been oh so surprisingly quiet.

    Let us see Downs fired and Wright’s mentor, HoJo, brought up.

    Let us see DeJean released and Ishii moved to the pen.

    Let us see Wright batting third.

    Let us see Reyes hitting at the bottom of the order.

    Let us see some of the younger prospect pitchers moved up to AAA.

    Let us see some real changes.

  13. Comment posted by Sam Burns on June 19, 2005 at 8:06 pm (#5116)

    Matt, you wrote, ‘I wouldn’t go this far, because no manager/coach can ever be the source of a problem with a struggling team.’
    Matt, there is no such thing as a whole team slumping for no outside reason. The source is Randloph’s ridiculous decisions and non-decisions. And those are the decisions we know about. How about the fact that he has driven Reyes crazy by telling him to take more pitches. I am sure he has given much of his brilliant advice to all his players. Remember when Floyd came to him to ask to be dropped in the order, and he refused… but 3 days later he did it…. he is so full of himself…..and he makes constant mistakes… the players are demoralized…. look in their eyes.

  14. Comment posted by azem on June 19, 2005 at 8:07 pm (#5118)

    3 words

    sweet lou piniella

  15. Comment posted by Seo’s Super Secret Friend on June 19, 2005 at 8:12 pm (#5120)

    Lou’s kinda old, ain’t he? Could he run this team for longer than three years? I dunno. How’s his health?

  16. Comment posted by Dan in Gettysburg on June 19, 2005 at 8:18 pm (#5122)

    1. You must have a L/R balance in the lineup, regardless of the quality of the hitters.

    Exactly! The L/R balance thing is absurd. L/R balance is a good thing to look for in, say, the middle of your lineup, but it shouldn’t be the driving force behind lineup creation. And the way Randolph insists on it is ridiculous.

  17. Comment posted by Chris from Park Slope on June 19, 2005 at 8:31 pm (#5123)

    Well, I am disgusted. The Heilman removal today may have been Willie’s worst in-game move yet.

    I don’t want Willie gone, but I would like for him to learn from his mistakes, to actually acknowledge that he doesn’t know everything and has to improve.

    What a horrible trip west.

  18. Comment posted by Epipedalero on June 19, 2005 at 8:35 pm (#5124)

    What I would do:

    – Rotation: Martinez, Glavine, Zambrano, Benson, Seo

    – Bullpen: Bell, Heilman, Graves, Looper, Colyer, Hernandez

    – Catchers: Piazza, Castro

    – Infielders:Mientkewicz, Keppinger, Matsui, Woodward, Reyes, Cairo, Wright

    – Outfield: Cameron, Floyd, Beltran, Diaz, Anderson

    Players that can be traded: Glavine, Hernandez, Mientkewicz, Matsui, Cameron and Anderson.

    I would not trade any of the rest because they can be useful next year (except Piazza, but I want him to retire as a Met)

    And yes, sign Lou Piniella. The Heilman error today was incredible.

  19. Comment posted by Epipedalero on June 19, 2005 at 8:44 pm (#5125)

    We must start thinking next year. Against the two worst teams in the AL West we were awful. Sing Paul Konerko to play first. Sign Ramon Hernandez to play catcher. The rotation: Martinez – Benson – Heilman – Seo – Zambrano

    Put Diaz in right field. Keppinger and Cairo in second.

    And for those players I mentioned before we must obtain useful relievers. I think we don´t need pitchiong prospects. We have Pelfrey, Bannister, Humber, Hernandez and Petit among others. They can be ready in 1-3 years. What we need is hitting prospects. Trade Glavine, Traschel, Ishii, Hernandez, Matsui, Mientkewicz and Cameron. Try to obtain some hitting prospects, left handed batters. And perhaps a power reliever.

  20. Comment posted by Kranepool Society on June 19, 2005 at 8:58 pm (#5126)

    I’m not ready to jump on the “Can Willie” bandwaggon but i think we are all in agreement that this past week or so has not been Randolph’s shing moments.

    There is no valid reason for Randolph to remove Heilman after 2.3 innings especially when he was very effective. What can’t someone in the main stream press who is inside the Mets clubhouse give us fans the reason for the misuse of Heilman. There has to be something that has caused Randolph to treat Heilman like a redheaded step child.

    Same for his use of David Wright, also lets not let Minaya off the hook here whay is Mike DeJEan still employed by this team?

    Even Art Howe is scratching his head on Mikey P catching instead of DH’ing

  21. Comment posted by erik from tha bronx on June 19, 2005 at 9:09 pm (#5127)

    Whoa! Ya’ll boys are excited,I guess me saying anything about Gaby Hernandez throwing a no-no won’t make anybody feel better. I have no problem with reyes hitting where he hits, because i think he’ll have a real good second half. Willie hitting a guy just called up from AAA infront of his best hitter is inexcusable and putting a guy that allows two baserunners per inning into a must win game is like turning down head,just plain stupid. This team needs Cammy back bad because Victor Diaz isn’t jesus in cleats afterall and Beltran ain’t carrying us nowhere right now.

  22. Comment posted by Matt Dahl on June 19, 2005 at 9:11 pm (#5128)

    I think the reason for Heilman being used poorly is because of Rick Peterson just not thinking much of him. I heard this brough up on WFAN on Saturday with Adam Schein, and it got me thinking a little. Peterson never really was a Heilman fan since he came here, and I know Peterson has influence on Willie when it comes to pitchers. I really think that he just has no confidence in Heilman, which seems strange since Heilman’s pitched very well all year and has yet to give up a run from the bullpen. There has to be some reason behind Heilman not being a starter and only pitching in useless moments, maybe this is it.

  23. Comment posted by erik from tha bronx on June 19, 2005 at 9:26 pm (#5129)

    Hey OFF,If you ever put Christian Guzman’s name in the same sentence as my favorite player I’m going to uncork a fresh can of whoop ass with your name on it tough guy, and yes i still use that line.

  24. Comment posted by cal on June 19, 2005 at 9:32 pm (#5130)

    this is as ridiculis as it gets, i disagree with some of u lets fire randolph now we still can have a slimmer of chance, it doesnt make and freakin sense why right is hitting seventh, behind freakin brian dubach, who couldnt get a job in the majors this offseason, gettin into the heilman mistake, not only did he take him out way 2 early, in my opioin since hes by far are best releiver minus looper assuming hes official closer, i think heilman should be used in tight spots instead of blowouts, like they shyoulda put dejean in then, and if they tied up the game then brought in heilman, any so they should either fire randoplh now or startin planin 4 next year. firstly if beltran is really still injured dl him for the next 3 weeks cuz this seasons a wrap anyway, and if he really is now almost healthy as they said on tv 2day, then hes total shit, who just pops up every ball, and will be lucky to have a 15-15 season, then somehow get rid a glavine buyout traxx and get rid of ishhi , then sign burnett and promote petit, thats a rotation of pedro,burnett, benson, zambrano, and petit which is flat out sexy. then sign bj ryan which makes are bullpen some wat good with with ryan a gr8 closer and looper(pik up option) and heilman as viable setup men. then either sign konerko, trade diaz for a 1b, trade floyd for a 1b, make floyd or diaz 1b, and then sign ramon hernandez 2 catch. if we take the konerko route look wat our 2006 team could look like:
    Reyes ss rotation: pedro, benson, burnett, vic, petit
    cameron rf bullpen: ryan, loop, heilman, ?,?,?
    beltran cf
    konerko 1b
    floyd lf
    wright 3b
    hernandez c
    cairo/matsui 2b

    to answer your question yes than is a ws contender, so thats really all we have 2 do to be a real team so stop thinkin bout this year, cuz next year is not now. and fianally we can easily pull it off. the estimated saliries for burnett, konerko, ryan, hernandez are about 35- 40 mil, shedding piazza and glavine is 20 mill assuming we pay half of glavines, and with other buyouits and leavings its 28 mil, so wed only be spending 12-25 mill more a year which would take us to 115-120 mark, with new tv station lets do it

  25. Comment posted by stu on June 19, 2005 at 9:36 pm (#5133)

    The NY press will never come down on Randolph, ever, because he’s a Brooklyn guy and was a Yankee for so long. So, there’ll never be the outcry against him that there was against Art Howe.

    I am slowly, almost toe by toe, approaching the anti-Willie bandwagon. More and more, he just seems like a play-the-veterans idiot who has a lot to learn and maybe should’ve done a year or two in Triple A so he could come to the big league sin a pivotal year for the Mets and actaully look like he knows what he’s fuckin’ doing.

    The handling of Heilman is all wrong. H’s the best pitcher on the staff except for Pedro and maybe Benson. If this fuckin’ Joe Torre wannabe doesn’t want to put him in the rotation then at least use him in high-leverage relief situations.

    But the kicker for me is his quote after David Wright was thrown out at third the other night. Remember, Mientikiewicz hit a single to left which in itself may have put eveyrone on the mets into a state of shock. Piazza tried to score from second, but Wright, who had been on first, was thrown out at third before Piazza could cross the plate. Wllie chastized Wright of all people for getting thrown out at third. Why not come down on Piazza, who so fuckin’ slow that he can’t score from second on a two-out single!!!

    Talk about over-protecting your veterans. Piazza can’t do the job anymore and everybody knows it. If you can’t score from second on a two-out hit you do not belong ont he field. And if you’re gonna leave your players hanging out to dry in the press at least point your finger at the ones who are really messing up.

    You know what? Randolph should be fired. But he won’t be, not for a long long time. We’re stuck with this clown, so I hope he can learn something on the job.

  26. Comment posted by azem on June 19, 2005 at 10:19 pm (#5135)

    unfortunately willie is not going to get fired tho guys…it seems him n omar are like best friends and like the guy said…hes a new york guy who grew up and played with the yanks….now if we lose lets say 7 of our next 10 then i think there will be a much greater chance

  27. Comment posted by Kent on June 19, 2005 at 11:26 pm (#5136)

    What the hell is wrong with you all? I gotta work tomorrow and I’ll defend what I’m going to write later…but firing Randolph and/or Minaya just IS NOT going to happen this year and probably won’t happen until after a couple of years of horrible play. Damn, we’re all pissed at the way that the roster is being handled and at the intrangence of Randolph to change his mind or to avoid Joe-Morgan-esque “feel” management. Alright, we’re all on the same page?

    Nonetheless, this blog is pretty serious and pretty good. This pie-in-the-sky fantasy stuff is ridiculous! Randolph will change his tactics because he will have to change his tactics. Yes, he will HAVE to change his tactics. If he does not then Minaya WILL fire him. And I’m not a New Yorker and don’t understand (nor really care about) the whole NYC-Fraternity thing…if Randolph doesn’t get the job done and doesn’t listen to his GM then he’ll have hell to pay. Same goes for Minaya listening to Wilpon. This is a highly competitive business and I know that Randolph, Minaya and Wilpon all know this point.

    Sorry to throw in the apostacy, but this team isn’t THAT good. Wright is absolutely incredible; Floyd’s been great for spurts (as has Diaz and Cameron and even [gulp] Reyes); Martinez has been great. Outside of them who isn’t either underperforming (ahhh Mr. Beltran) or reaching the end of their Major League viability (Big Mike or Glavine) or a journeyman that outside of a Mets uniform would be completely unknown to 90% of the readers here (Daubach or Anderson or Woodward).

    This is a franchise and Minaya deserves a couple of seasons to get it back on track. Phillips and others messed the franchise up and now Minaya is trying to fix it. Will he? Hell if I know, but he DID sign Beltran and Martinez this winter. Be honest, prior to this season, who DIDN’T think that they were the best two Free Agents out there? Would we have wanted Beltran to have gone to the Yankees?

    As I’ve posted, I don’t know what’s wrong with Beltran. But, if his leg’s bothering him then put him on the DL; if it’s his head then work on it. Whatever it is, his complete lack of plate discipline is killing me (and my fantasy team!). He must swing at an inordinate amount of first pitches AND swinging at the first pitch doesn’t have anything to do with his leg.

    I frankly expect a team with this much $ and this many fans and the NYC media market to win every damn year. This is no different, but the roster reality does not gel with what I WANT.

    I’m just hoping that Minaya doesn’t go nuts trying to win this year. I’d much prefer the foundation to a long run of success. In that vein, I’m all for trading Floyd, Cameron, and counter-intuitively Reyes for either quality prospects demanding $ or quality young players approaching big pay days that club X can’t handle. To wit: 1) The Rangers (Omar, listen up!) have Blalock, Soriano, Young, Texeira, Nix, and up-and-coming Adrian Gonzalez and Kinsler. The Rangers don’t have room for them all or $ to keep them. 2) The Blue Jays have Hudson, Hill, Adams crowding two middle infield spots and Rios, Gross in the OF with Wells approaching a big pay day. 3) The Rockies have a number of good young players, many of whom play the same position. 4) Same goes for the Red Sox…add pressure to win again this year to them too.

    Oh, and one last thing: Lou Pinella is NOT the answer to the Mets problems. I forget who posted that, but does he/she want our entire pitching staff destroyed? More later.

  28. Comment posted by bmc on June 19, 2005 at 11:42 pm (#5137)

    *Devil’s Advocate Disclaimer*

    The change needs to come from the top down, but in the meantime, Omar has actually done some a few things right. He’s built a deep bench and he’s jettisoned a lot of legacy garbage. The organization simply doesn’t have enough hitting skill, and it’s not the kind of thing you can build up overnight. Currently the pitching seems to be getting better, so let’s focus on the deeper problems.

    Willie seems to look at things in a longer context than what most people around here are satisfied with. Playing your hot hand from week to week is a gamble, and Willie must not be a gambling man. He wants to play guys based on what he perceives their general level of skill to be. Good or bad, that’s what he does; but from some perspective, it makes sense in a holistic view of a baseball season. Play your best guys who you watch up close every day.

    Ugh, more on the topic of lineup construction:

    David Wright is barely handling the pressure of his job. He’s a kid, and he’s obviously just developing the emotional tools for dealing with this job. Please consider his publicized reactions to situations like Super-Joe’s release, a game ending error, a mini-slump. Now, with that in mind, putting him in a higher pressure spot in the order might be a dangerous move in long term considerations. If piazza or floyd fails in the heart of the order, fine, you lose a few games. If Wright fails in a pressure situation where he’s expected, no, demanded to perform, the aftershocks of that can be felt for a long time.

    Throwing D.W. under the bus for his mental error kinda makes that theory suspect, but you sound like an ass if you criticize Piazza for being too slow.

    And as for giving young players the opportunity to lose their jobs as opposed to just blindly leaning on veterans; he gave Jose Reyes every opportunity to lose the leadoff job. Now that he’s moved past that, who do you put in the leadoff spot? There aren’t many great options, so you do what you can with Cameron & Beltran hurt, and Minky & Matsui total busts. Anderson isn’t the best solution, but if you use another guy, you open a hole lower in the order.

    I missed The Heilman Maneuver, so i won’t comment. I can only surmize that Willie bases his decisions on Heilman’s career, and not what he’s done in a small sample size this season. He’s gradually given Heilman more and more important situations to pitch.

    Be that as it may, I don’t know if this kind of persnal personell management is going on with Willie. I’m just suggesting some option that’re outside the numbers.

  29. Comment posted by bmc on June 20, 2005 at 12:11 am (#5138)

    Now you’re moderating my comments? That’s really disappointing.

    Problem users are people who can’t hold a conversation without abstaining from personal attacks and off color ranting and raving. I may bring a dissenting opinion, but at least i do it with decorum and diplomb.

  30. Comment posted by Ricardo Gonzalez on June 20, 2005 at 12:22 am (#5140)

    You forgot to put “favorite team” and thats why your post didn’t go through, not because we are moderating it.

  31. Comment posted by bmc on June 20, 2005 at 12:36 am (#5142)

    Previously, I’ve been directed to an error page when I leave the field blank. I just tried posting with that field empty and received an error. If i’m not being moderated, and it was a glitch, please excuse my comments.

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  33. Comment posted by Matt Gelb on June 20, 2005 at 12:38 am (#5143)

    Yeah, it’s been an issue. I just deleted around 600 comments of spam and made sure your IP wasn’t on the block list bmc.

  34. Comment posted by erik from tha bronx on June 20, 2005 at 12:52 am (#5144)

    Speakin off that “favorite team” thing,why don’t ya’ll allow other teams to be put in? Outside’s might wanna check this site out and it wasn’t like this when the site first started.

  35. Comment posted by Sam Burns on June 20, 2005 at 12:54 am (#5145)

    Thoughts so far:
    1-Piazza was too slow to get to the plate the other day, and Randolph had no business saying anything about Wright.
    2- Randolph is a not ready for prime time manager, and his head doesn’t work fast enough. He makes bonehead decisions. Later he covers up for them with his ‘explanations’.
    3- He thinks he is smarter than everyone, so he never listens to critisicm.
    4- The Heilman mistake is just a conituation of over 100 obvious mistakes he has made this year.
    5- He has no idea about how to create a lineup. He is wasting Wright. He has caused Reyes to slump by getting into his head to be ‘more patient’.
    6- He allowed Piazza to get all battered today by catching, when there was no reason for that at all. There was a DH. Completely moronic.
    7- If we scream loud enough, maybe someone in the mets front office will force Wille to listen to others, or at least think normally.

  36. Comment posted by Benny Blanco from da Bronx on June 20, 2005 at 1:42 am (#5149)

    I missed The Heilman Maneuver, so i won’t comment.

    Well, lets put it this way, Aaron Hielman who is a starter, came in to relieve old man Glavine after his horrible start. The Mets came within 1 run and possibly had a shot to win the game and the Mets had 3 more innings to score runs. With Hielman pitching amazingly for 2.2 innings with 4 strikeouts and only 2 hits given up. Willie Randolph decides that Hielman must be “tired” after being worked soo hard and decides that it’s in the teams best interest to “relieve” Hielman and put in Mike “I have a 2 WHIP” DeJean in order to blow the game and take away any chance th Mets had of winning. Lets just say the Mariners scored 4 runs that inning.

    Although minor, the genius Randolph also decides that he should bring in Ring who worked 1.1 innings only a couple of hours earlier in the night game to pitch against Ibañez.

    The man has no idea how to manage a bullpen or write a lineup card. Sometimes I wonder, is it REALLY that hard to manage a major league baseball team? Because jeeze, I can see why nobody wanted to hire Willie in the previous years.

  37. Comment posted by erik from tha bronx on June 20, 2005 at 2:16 am (#5150)

    OK this might sound dumb but seriously what the hell is a WHIP? I know its bad is it Walk Hits Innings Pitched??

  38. Comment posted by Benny Blanco from da Bronx on June 20, 2005 at 3:17 am (#5152)

    Honostly, even though I used it, I have no idea. The only reason I used it because Matt used it and I know it’s a very bad to have a 2.00 WHIP, lol.

  39. Comment posted by Benny Blanco from da Bronx on June 20, 2005 at 3:19 am (#5153)

    Hey Eric, I found out what it is,

    walks and hits per innings pitched.

    Google=your best friend.

  40. Comment posted by CommanderCool on June 20, 2005 at 7:53 am (#5154)

    Maybe Heilman was fatigued or felt a tweak. YOU HAVE NO IDEA ! You are all ignorant and it frustrates me . You don’t have a single clue how the Mets front office works or what happens behind close doors .
    Oh , and by the way , we said we were a .500 team at the the beginning of the season and thats what we are .
    But yet we still complain . Pathetic.
    Put Beltran on the DL , relax the atmosphere , just play some good ball for the rest of the year .
    Thats all we should really want .
    Wait till next year.
    ok , i’m done….

  41. Comment posted by Roadblock Jones on June 20, 2005 at 9:41 am (#5156)

    The organization simply doesn’t have enough hitting skill, and it’s not the kind of thing you can build up overnight.


    Willie HAS made a bunch of dumb mistakes already but if you want to look at it optimistically, he’s shown a tremendous amount of patience with this team and all its warts. More than any of us obviously.

    The key thing when deciding to whack a manager is what the players think; and other than Mientkiewicz uselessly popping off this weekend, I haven’t sensed a whole lot of dissent. If/when the players start grumbling, the press will gleefully report it, “Brooklyn Guy” or not.

    Valentine was a great in-game manager and was till the very end but he was fired when he lost the players. That’s all that really matters.

  42. Comment posted by Mike B. on June 20, 2005 at 10:42 am (#5160)

    Yes, Willie is a problem. He is terrible at handling the bullpen — although I wonder how much Professor Rick, the overhyped genius, has to do with that.

    Here’s the deal: DeJean, who was effective last year, is terrible this year. Waive good-bye to him. Relievers like him are a dime a dozen. Last year we got Jose Parra off the junk heap and he was effective. There is no reason to stick with DeJean.

    Put Ishii in the pen and make him a lefty specialist. Bring up Jae Seo to start. Make Heilman your primary set-up man, so you do not need to use Hernandez every day. With Hernandez, less is more.

    However, the real problem is the lack of run production — and that isn’t totally Willie’s fault. I lay the blame mainly at the feet of one guy — the underachieving Carlos Beltran. He may be the least productive third hitter in all of baseball. Floyd has been good, Wright has been very good, and Piazza has been about what you thought given that he is at the end of the line.

    Quite simply, given the way this lineup is currently constructed, Beltran had better start hitting or we are going to struggle.

    Two other things will help this line-up. Cairo coming back into the 2-hole, and trading for a legitimate first baseman. I have been talking up Sean Casey for a while and I think he would be very good for this line-up.

    But fire Willie? Not yet.

  43. Comment posted by Goldy on June 20, 2005 at 10:57 am (#5162)

    First off, great site. I’ve been reading it for a while now, and I thought I’d finally get in on the posting.

    On to business. Personally, I was and continue to be a huge supporter of Bobby V. As many of you have already mentioned, there are few managers, if any, who could manage a game, a bench or a bullpen better than him. I was furious when they made him the fall guy for Phillips (come on, you know the heavily alliterated post-pot problem press conference was hysterical), and the hirings of both Howe and Randolph troubled me from the start. So Valentine lost the players? Exactly how many of those players are left on the team now? More importantly, how many will be next year? If you follow the Yankee formula and baby your players, especially the vets, of course they will have problems with a strong, do-what-needs-to-be-done type manager. That’s a flawed system, not a flawed manager. Don’t even get me started on the Yankees. Given Valentine’s comments recently about having too many enemies in the MLB, I don’t know if he’ll ever come back, which is a shame. But I’d rather see him in Japan than in the Bronx.

    As far as CommanderCool’s comment, I understand what you mean, but check out today’s columns, Heilman says he was fine to keep pitching, and Randolph’s comments were troubling to say the least. This emphasizes the biggest problem with Randolph: it’s bad to know nothing, it’s worse to know a little bit and think you know it all, but it’s worst to defend that to the grave. I’m extremely worried about the whole coaching staff right now, and while I’m not yet ready to call for regime change, the extent to which the manager and his staff are hurting this team must be acknowledged. There are a lot of reasons that Randolph will never get fired, but there are rapidly mounting reasons that he should. I agree that it would help this team greatly to just relax, but it’s very hard to relax when the captain seems bent on taking down the ship to satisfy his ego.

    Too much depressing junk hanging over this team right now. Let’s get some trade talk started, that always cheers me up. I always find years like this one interesting, since building for the immediate future requires a sort of mix of buying and selling.

  44. Comment posted by Mike on June 20, 2005 at 11:13 am (#5164)

    There are moves you disagree with because you have a different philosophy than the manager (see: Larussa), but these decisions are consistent with the manager’s philosophy.

    Then there are mistakes are are just mistakes, plain and simple.

    Randolph’s philosophy sucks, plus he’s not consistent with it (Reyes v Wright, etc), plus he makes glaring mistakes. It’s like if you think somebody mgiht not be the brightest bulb, but oyu only have circumstantial evidence, and you could be wrong, but then they say 2+2=5 or they leave in Ring to pitch to Kielty, and there’s just no explaining away or rationalizing. No good manager would ever do it.

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  46. Comment posted by Matt Gelb on June 20, 2005 at 11:14 am (#5165)

    Honostly, even though I used it, I have no idea. The only reason I used it because Matt used it and I know it’s a very bad to have a 2.00 WHIP, lol.

    Yeah, it basically says that DeJean is putting two baserunners on in every inning he pitches.

  47. Comment posted by Goldy on June 20, 2005 at 11:22 am (#5167)

    Mike, I couldn’t agree more. Well said.

  48. Comment posted by Wes on June 20, 2005 at 11:23 am (#5168)

    Check out the game on Friday to see what kind of manager Randolph is – the first two batters got on after working a 3-2 count, and then Jose Reyes STEALS third? (gets caught) and then the next two guys go out without working the count…

    When you have a pitcher on the ropes like the Mets did in the early goings of a game, you don’t do anything stupid like try to steal third, or swing at the first pitch. That’s fundamental.

    That being said, Randolph deserves a little lee-way. He’s new. It’s not his fault that Cameron’s your best player and he’s on the DL, or that Beltran needs to be there, or that Piazza is past his prime. But still. Keeping Randolph through these hard times is much better than the alternative.

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  50. Comment posted by Matt Gelb on June 20, 2005 at 11:38 am (#5170)

    I think a lot of us just need a place to let some steam off and this has turned into a decent way to do it.

    At least Willie offers us his own version of Howe’s “battling.”

    “It’s not like we’re now going to have one big meeting where you say, ‘What the hell is going on?’ ” Randolph said. “I don’t go crazy when the effort is there. I know the pulse of my team, and you don’t jump on guys or beat them down when they’re doing the best they can. We’re coming out of this and we’re going to get some payback.”

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  52. Comment posted by Matt Gelb on June 20, 2005 at 11:48 am (#5172)

    Maybe Heilman was fatigued or felt a tweak. YOU HAVE NO IDEA !

    Evidently, there was no issue of fatigue. Rubin’s article from the DN and every other article has said that Willie wanted to save Heilman for Tuesday.

    Is that not the most ridiculous BS ever?

  53. Comment posted by Goldy on June 20, 2005 at 11:57 am (#5174)

    Because, of course, if we win Tuesday, the last 12 games will be forgotten.

    I’ll bet he doesn’t even use Heilman on Tuesday. I know it’s not really the point, but it’s still maddening.

  54. Comment posted by Dan in Gettysburg on June 20, 2005 at 12:35 pm (#5175)

    Maybe Heilman was fatigued or felt a tweak. YOU HAVE NO IDEA ! You are all ignorant and it frustrates me . You don’t have a single clue how the Mets front office works or what happens behind close doors .

    My problem is not that he took out Heilman, it’s that he went to DeJean in a 1-run game. DeJean to date has been the “white flag” of Met pitchers – call him in and the game’s over. It was a 1-run game.

  55. Comment posted by Crank on June 20, 2005 at 1:33 pm (#5177)

    The problem is having DeJean on the roster at all.

  56. Comment posted by steve on June 20, 2005 at 1:36 pm (#5178)

    Willie criticizing Wright for getting thrown out at third is ridiculous. I want my younger players running hard, sliding hard. If Willie looked at the replay he would see that the ball took a picture perfect carom, the left fielder had to short hop the ball, do some amazing footwork to get himself lined up and throw a perfect strike to get Wright. That plus Piazza hauling the Steinway on his back. Did Willie criticize him for the catch of that foul pop where he nearly killed himself for an out? Oh, that was ok… C’mon Willie, you wish you had a roster full of David Wright kids?
    Guys, we’re a .500 team at best. The organization is temporarily stuck with Glavine, Piazza, Matsui, DeJean, Ishii, cold Beltran. It’s going to take a little time to flush this through.
    Reyes has no business in the leadoff spot at this point in his career. He’s way to immature as a hitter. It’s funny how Wright has to “pay his dues” and hit seventh but Josie gets a free pass to bat leadoff and start every game at short.
    I’m a little jealous of the Indians right now with their kiddie pitchers. The future is Heilman, Humber, Peltry, Petit, etc. It is a drag watching older guys (Glavine, Piazza, Alomar, Vaughn for example) in the last gasps of their careers, which has been a hallmark of this team lately. Who was the last Met position player to have a career year? Yikes. Is there kryptonite in the Mets dugout?

  57. Comment posted by erik from tha bronx on June 20, 2005 at 2:28 pm (#5180)

    The reason that Wright hits 7th is not because he has “pay his dues” thats just B.S. that willie tells the media.The real reason is because he thinks good managering is splitting up the Lefties with the righties and any chance that you get,not knowing its a luxery that only good teams with good lefties have. He thinks its good to cater to the washed up vets then to give guys like Heilman and Wright chances to perform.

  58. Comment posted by Mike on June 20, 2005 at 3:05 pm (#5183)

    Firing Willie Randolph is absurd. He is making very logical desicions and can’t help it if the Mets are giving him a sub par effort. You guys are probably the smae people saying the Orioles should fire Lee Mazzili last year after his first year. Look where Baltimore is now. He is an inexperienced manager but knows, from many years of playing and coaching, what he is doing. In my opinion I think he is right in not rushing the development of David Wright. Remember Jason Phillips. He had a great year in 2003 as a rookie playing 119 games at 1st base and catcher.
    He hit .298, was promising defensivly and was regarded highly by the Mets and by most Met fans. “Genius” manager Art Howe rushed his development by hitting him high up in the order and he bombed in his sophmore season hitting .218. This is the same case and notice the second time around the promising prospect may make the All-Star game.

  59. Comment posted by erik from tha bronx on June 20, 2005 at 3:30 pm (#5186)

    Come on with the racism on a damn mets blog site,what kind of loser says that kind of trash here man.Just leave it off this great new site man you should be out there tryin to get with some women instead of trying to offend people, you F’n idiot.

  60. Comment posted by Frischer50 on June 20, 2005 at 3:46 pm (#5187)

    The comparison by “Mike” of Wright to Jason Phillips is a bit extreme because everyone is baseball will tell you that Wright is better than Phillips.

    But I’m with everyone hear, Willie is the worst. I even posted over on Amazin Avenue that Willie is the worst manager in baseball, and this was before the debacle of the weekend

    my question is when the press will jump on it. I’ve heard a few comments hear and there from Gary and Howie on WFAN but that’s about it.

    And finally, as to the guy who said have patience and used Mazilli on the Orioles as an example. Well I still think the 0’s suck, they have absolutely zero pitching and I think it’s just a matter of time till they collapse.. mark it dude

  61. Comment posted by Benny Blanco from da Bronx on June 20, 2005 at 4:03 pm (#5190)

    First off Mike, we could care less about Lee Mazzilli, lol. So I don’t think any of us even made any comment regarding Lee Mazzilli last year. He’s in Baltimore,what do we know?

    He is making very logical desicions

    You can’t be serious? You cannot say that with a straight face after seeing some of his decisions.

    Was it logical to pitch Roberto Hernandez against the Yankees after he pitched in 6 out of the last 7 seven days?

    Was it also logical to do the same thing he did with Roberto Hernandez with Heath Bell, by making him pitch in 4 out of 5 days? With 3 of those performances more than 1 inning?

    Is it logical to bat your most productive hitter 7th in your lineup, after Daubach, and being protected by Mientkiewicz?

    Was it logical to put in Royce Ring against Bobby Kielty, who although a switch hitter, is hitting lefties to the tune of .377?

    Was it logical to take out Aaron Hielman who was pitching brilliantly in a close game for Mike DeJean because he wanted to “save” Hielman for an imaginary situation on Tuesday? I mean as we all know, Hielman is only a mop up work pitcher, and the only reason he even pitched is because at the time the game was 6-1.

    Was it logical to then put in Royce Ring who not only was put in loss cause, but only a couple of hours ago pitched 1.1 innings?

    Does it also make ANY sense to put Wright back in the 7th hole after his 3-4 performance in the 2nd hole?

    I like Woodward but did it make any sense to not include Diaz in the lineup yesterday because Willie felt that since Diaz had played in 5 games, needed some rest, even with the off-day on Monday?

  62. Comment posted by randy on June 20, 2005 at 4:05 pm (#5191)

    To those of you that say there should be no complaining because this wasn’t a World Series team as constructed at the beginning of the year are only half right. Last year, at this same point, the Mets were 1 game over .500 without Beltran and Pedro and with the likes of those noted sluggers, Wilson Valdez and Jeff Duncan playing pretty regularly. This is why it wouldn’t really even bother me if Pedro were traded. Nothing against Pedro, he’s been dominant at times this year, but we’re in last place with him, and I’m pretty sure we could be in last without him.

  63. Comment posted by Mike on June 20, 2005 at 4:33 pm (#5193)

    Frischer50 and Benny Blanco, you guys make great points but all I’m saying is give Willie a little more time before you determine whether he should be fired or not. Who would you replace him with if you fired him?

  64. Comment posted by erik from tha bronx on June 20, 2005 at 4:34 pm (#5194)

    WHOA! Randy lets not get crazy here,Pedro’s been great here overall.

  65. Comment posted by Benny Blanco from da Bronx on June 20, 2005 at 4:44 pm (#5195)

    But Mike, how long does it take to figure out that maybe a pticher would be fatigued after pitching in 5 out of 6 days with outings going more than 1 inning?

    How long does it take to figure out that you should NOT bat the best hitter on your team 7th!?

    How much time do we need to determine that Ishii shouldn’t pitch and Hielman should? Well if it takes us about 4 outings too many, then why does it take Willie alot longer, if he figures it out at all?
    I know it must sound stupid to prove myself wrong but in the Ishii case, to Willie’s defense I think that Omar wants to trade Ishii…

    I dunno, Willie Randolph is one hell of a nice guy, but damn, the man is dumb.

  66. Comment posted by Dan in Gettysburg on June 20, 2005 at 4:51 pm (#5199)

    Peterson never really was a Heilman fan since he came here, and I know Peterson has influence on Willie when it comes to pitchers. I really think that he just has no confidence in Heilman, which seems strange since Heilman’s pitched very well all year and has yet to give up a run from the bullpen.

    I’ve heard that, too, but I just don’t get it. Didn’t Heilman give Peterson a pretty publicized hug after the 1-hitter?

    I think that with his very good two pitches, he’d be an excellent late-inning, high-leverage guy out of the pen, probably better there than as a starter.

    Randolph may be easing Heilman into a role like that, but I’d like to see it move faster.

    Either way, DeJean + pitching = loss. I can understand that listening to the game on the radio… why can’t Randolph get that from the dugout?

  67. Comment posted by randy on June 20, 2005 at 5:00 pm (#5200)

    WHOA! Randy lets not get crazy here,Pedro’s been great here overall.

    I agree he’s been great Erik. All I’m saying is that maybe that 12-14 mil (or something like that) might be put to better use. Nothing against Pedro, at all…he’s been nothing but positive.

  68. Comment posted by Mike on June 20, 2005 at 5:25 pm (#5202)

    Benny I think your 100% right, but if you fire him now, who are you going to get to manage the team?

  69. Comment posted by Benny Blanco from da Bronx on June 20, 2005 at 5:31 pm (#5203)

    Hey, I never said anything about firing him.
    I just think he’s a dummy.

    And Randy those 14 million could be put to better use? Have you been to a Pedro game? Pedro is god.

  70. Comment posted by tim in la on June 20, 2005 at 5:34 pm (#5204)

    Great discussion, everyone. Two points I’d like to make quick:

    1) The problem with chewing out Wright for getting thrown out at third is that Piazza didn’t make it just because he’s slow — PIAZZA DIDN’T MAKE IT HOME BECAUSE HE WAS DOGGING IT. Everyone who’s ever played the game knows there are situations when you have to hustle home, even when the play’s not on you. But Piazza trotted the last 30 feet, got hosed, and your young guy takes the heat. No excuse.

    2) This team may be a .500 team, the players are ultimately the ones to blame, but it’s up to the manager to put them in the best situations to perform. Willie’s not doing that. If he was giving his players the best opportunity to succeed, and they were .500, I wouldn’t be pissed. But he’s putting giving them the WORST opporunities, and they’re still .500 …gotta wonder how much better they could be.

  71. Comment posted by Mike on June 20, 2005 at 5:48 pm (#5206)

    I think the way the Mets play in these last 19 games before the All- Star break will bascically set the tone for the rest of the year. There in a competitive division and if they don’t win the majority of the remaining games, I think they’ll make some moves for next year. On WFAN today, they brought up the point that they could just get rid of Glavine and have another team pay his remaining $10 million.

  72. Comment posted by another mets fan in LA on June 20, 2005 at 5:51 pm (#5207)

    We all know Willie isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. It may feel good to get this all off our collective chests, but we know it to be true. So let’s move on and see some ideas for making what we have BETTER. You gotta take the bad with the good and try to make it better.

    It’s clear Willie may need some help on the bench. Not getting Bowa was a real loss. He needs a great gameplay guy to help out. That’s the logical first place to make changes. And who knows what kind of information he’s being fed (and trusting) from Petersen et al about the pitching staff.

    Willie’s plusses: has the respect of his players, handles the media well (can’t be overlooked in NY), even-tempered, hard working, knowledgable (yes, he is).

    Willie’s minuses: questionable game strategist, stubborn, inconsistent. Probably many, many more if you’ve read this entire thread. :)

    Now which of these is more teachable? I would argue it’s the minuses. Those will come with experience and a good bench.

    Do his faults hurt the team now? Absolutely. But 2005 was never supposed to be a contending year. It’s an adjustment year all around – Beltran in NY, Wright/Reyes in 2nd full year, Willie on the bench.

    If this team was capable of delivering a few clutch hits, many transgresions would be forgiven.

  73. Comment posted by erik from tha bronx on June 20, 2005 at 6:11 pm (#5208)

    Hey Mike, Who the hell is paying tom glavine 10 million dollars? He has givin up over 100 hits already this season,has an ERA over 5 and is 39 years old. We couldn’t give Tom Glavine away.

  74. Comment posted by Mighty Wright on June 20, 2005 at 6:11 pm (#5209)

    It’s amazing that there are still some who defend Randolph…the difference b/t Randolph and Mazzilli, as one poster posed is this- last year, besides injuries, Mazzilli had exactly ZERO pitching and this year not only does he have enough great hitters to offset their earlky injuries, his pitchers are playing over their heads and everyone believes in what he is trying to do on his team, wherein Randolph’s strategies in this still-young season are so baffling that neither veterans nor rookies alike can get behind it. The whole L/R thing is beyond old school, it’s downright ignorant in this day and age where many R pitchers do better against lefties than L pitchers do! If Randolph is looking at the “big picture” and we bloggers “obviously not”, think about this- one, we are the ones who are paying the tix and merchandise now, so we want better results NOW! & two, no he’s not because otherwise he’d be better handling his younger players (Wright, Reyes, Diaz, Heilman, Ring to name 5). And come to think of it, what he did with Floyd (pulling the hitting streak) and Hernandez (over-work) and Piazza (DHing) just shows that maybe he doesn’t have a grip on his vets, either…so remind me again what EXACTLY is he doing (w)RIGHT??? I thought so…

  75. Comment posted by erik from tha bronx on June 20, 2005 at 7:22 pm (#5210)

    DEJEANS GONE!!! but koo’s back and so is Super Prospect Ice Williams,i guess you gotta take the good with the bad.

  76. Comment posted by tim in la on June 20, 2005 at 7:23 pm (#5211)

    I’d be stunned if I’m the first one to think of this, but I vote to start calling Randolph:

    Steamboat Willie.

    The image is perfect — a dumb mouse whistling dixie, steering the boat godknows where and throwing everything that pisses him off overboard. If I was a cartoonist I’d draw him at the wheel, staring up at the sky while he runs over iceburgs named Aaron Heilman and David Wright. How perfect is that?

  77. Comment posted by Andrew Hintz on June 20, 2005 at 7:47 pm (#5214)

    LMAO, Tim. That visual was pretty amusing.

  78. Comment posted by Benny Blanco from da Bronx on June 20, 2005 at 8:48 pm (#5221)

    Hahaha, I like that Tim, Steamboat Willie it is.

  79. Comment posted by Stef on June 20, 2005 at 11:37 pm (#5234)

    All i have to say is i listened to the fan after the awful game on sunday and it was very therapeutic listening to everyone venting about heilman. but the greatest line was about how willie was saving heilman for tuesday…to start? no, not to start, to come in in the 8th inning when the mets are down 8-1. hes the new mop up man i guess that eats innings in blow outs, now that we dont have aybar anymore. well at least we have dejean for those klutch situations, can always count on him to walk in a run. in sunday’s game, bases loaded, 0-2 count, and i said “now theres only a 75% chance he will walk in a run” – 4 straight balls- it was beautiful…if ur a mariners fan.

  80. Comment posted by Jon on June 20, 2005 at 11:57 pm (#5239)

    I’m as pissed off as anyone right now, but I’m not sure that Willie is the real problem. Considering the seasons of Mientkiewicz, Piazza, Matsui, and Beltran what can we expect? I realize he’s made mistakes, but it would take a genius to be doing much better. Is it his fault they all fall asleep with baserunners on? (For that matter, when was the last time the Mets COULD hit with runners in scoring position?) I figure with this squad Randolph’s been dealt a pair of 4’s and a pair of 7’s. Can you win with two low pair? Sure. Often? Probably not.

    And don’t get me started on Jose Reyes. A .281 OBP!!???!!! Derek Lee’s AVERAGE is more than .100 higher. Jose Reyes may yet have a career, but can someone point me to a great major leaguer that’s had a stat that bleak even in his rookie year? Just how bad is .281 OBP? Rey Ordonez and Rafael Santana had career OBP’s of .289 and .295 respectively.

  81. Comment posted by tim in la on June 21, 2005 at 12:40 am (#5251)

    Ron, but who’s batting Reyes LEADOFF?!

    I can think of 5 games in which Willie contributed to the loss more than any single player. And I have a bad memory, so let’s call it 10. Whether it’s putting Dejean into a critical situation, making a stupid double-switch, bunting the pitcher with no outs and runners on first and third in a close ballgame (my personal favorite, and most common), he costs games. Now add 10 wins, and we’re 38-31, second place and 2.5 out of first. Hello Steamboat Willieball!

  82. Comment posted by tim in la on June 21, 2005 at 12:42 am (#5252)

    Oops, I meant Jon, my bad…

  83. Comment posted by Jon on June 21, 2005 at 1:22 am (#5255)

    That is true, Tim. No one ever compounded the Ordonez or Santana problem by batting them leadoff.

    Maybe Omar should sign the Jamaican that just set the 100 meter world record. I assume he’s faster than Reyes and if he keeps the bat on his shoulder can probably come up with an OBP better than .281.

  84. Comment posted by erik from tha bronx on June 21, 2005 at 2:17 am (#5260)

    Can he finish the season first before we kill the 22 year old kid? He did hit .307 his rookie season and has nearly 80 hits,Lets relax J.

  85. Comment posted by Blue on June 21, 2005 at 3:10 am (#5261)

    I’m surprised at the lack of criticism Willie’s getting by the media. In fact, the media still seems to be playing him out as a master strategist.

    … Whatever. It’s game over, man! Game over!

  86. Comment posted by Dan in L.A. on June 21, 2005 at 4:41 am (#5266)

    [Randolph] ‘didn’t want [Heilman] to go longer than he went any other time in relief’-

    Dear Willie,

    In Aaron Heilman’s first relief appearance of the year (coming in relief of Kris Benson, in Benson’s first start, against the Phils), Heilman pitched 3.2 innings (and got the win). By your standards, he had another inning left.




    Fire Willie? Moot point, he won’t get fired. (Nor, sadly, will Assistant G.M. Peterson, although to be fair, he has gotten improvement out of Wrong Zambrano lately.) Let’s fix what’s fixable.

    FIRE RICK DOWN: the Mets are underperforming offensively, and too many players are swinging at too many first pitches

    Suggested replacement: Howard Johnson

    FIRE SANDY ALOMAR: Most of Willie’s positives are in the clubhouse and in the interview room—in the dugout he’s clearly lost. He needs to lean on his bench coach for the in-game decisions, and Alomar has either been unwilling or unable to step up. In fact, I couldn’t even remember who the Mets bench coach was, Alomar has been so invisible.

    (Besides, firing Roberto Alomar’s dad has just *got* to be good karma for this franchise.)

    Suggested replacement: John Stearns, a successful minor league manager who presumably made decisions like this when he was running the Tides. Plus, a Met with a capital M who has Heart with a capital H, both of which are probably positives.

    FIRE MANNY ACTA and/or JERRY MANUEL: or don’t necessarily fire them, but whichever one is coaching the baserunners should be relieved of those duties, given the amount of screwups on the basepaths recently. (See Diaz, Victor.) Let the other guy take over, maybe he’s better at it.

    FIRE MIKE PIAZZA: Okay, “fire” is the wrong word, but the next time he dogs it like he did Saturday night, chew his ass out in the paper but good and then bench him for several games. This will show the team that *nobody* gets away with that crap on this club. If you piss Piazza off, so what? He’s out of here at the end of the year anyhow. And maybe busting Mike’s ass inspires a certain $119M “superstar” (who can’t be abused like that, because you need him for the future) to either sit down or start showing up.

  87. Comment posted by Bring back Edgardo on June 21, 2005 at 8:27 am (#5273)

    I would have preferred to have seen this be a Get Rid of Glavine blog. Why is everyone getting on Randolph and nobody talking about what a waste Glavine is? He is making 10 million a year and has an ERA over 5. And every time he actually does do well, he sulks in the dugout if he doesn’t get enough run support to get the W.

    I always hated him on the Braves because the umps would give him a huge strike zone for some reason. Now they won’t give it to him and he sucks. I hope he goes on the DL and isn’t able to pitch enough innings to exercise that option for 06. Where is a bad cab driver when you need one???

  88. Comment posted by Steve on June 21, 2005 at 12:28 pm (#5285)

    “Wllie chastized Wright of all people for getting thrown out at third. Why not come down on Piazza, who so ####in’ slow that he can’t score from second on a two-out single!!!”

    You should never ever get thrown out at 3rd with 2 outs, there is no excuse for that. We all know Piazza is not the fastest guy but he has hustling down the line and that is all you can ask for. Would anybody bench Piazza or any other player because they are slow? No, you bench somebody because they are not trying or injuried (this does not count days off). Wright was wrong for even taking the chance if it was going to be close.

    That being said I really like Wright ad he should bat 3rd or 5th. Reyes, Matsui, Wright, Floyd, Beltran, Piazza, Cameron, Minky, pitcher should be the everyday starting lineup.

    Randolph needs to improve his in game coaching and learn from mistakes. I knew Randolph would cost the Mets a few games this year, but it is how you learn from your mistakes and Willie so far has not learned from the mistakes.

  89. Comment posted by Jon on June 21, 2005 at 2:57 pm (#5300)


    You are right. It’s too early to get down on Reyes, BUT…the article in the Times today said it all. The organization has put a lot of faith in a guy with tons of talent, but little to show for it. That .307 came before the scouts had a good look at him. I’ll give him a chance, but I’m WORRIED.


  90. Comment posted by erik from tha bronx on June 21, 2005 at 9:18 pm (#5335)

    After tonights game you still worryed J?

  91. Comment posted by Steve on August 1, 2005 at 12:42 am (#8370)

    An Orioles fan here who just wanted to let you know that we’re having our own issues with a Torre “protege.” I guess Joe never teaches them much about bullpen management, because it doesn’t seem like either guy knows squat about it. Mazzilli overworked our our bullpen up so early in the season that we’re in tatters, and our formerly untouchable closer B.J. Ryan – who by late-May was on pace to break records for innings pitched thanks to Maz’s penchant for sticking him during 8-run blowouts – is falling apart at the seams. He keeps talking about the same “feel” for when to yank a pitcher that Randolph yaks on about, which he uses as an excuse to yank a starter at 105 pitches regardless of how well he’s doing, then bring in exactly the wrong reliever.
    Like the Mets, on paper we’re probably not much above a .500 team, but Maz, like Randolph, knows how to take a mediocre team with some promise straight to the bottom. They don’t even belong as base coaches, and I hope both franchises wise up sooner rather than later.