The Official 2010-2011 NCAA Basketball Thread

[John]

Baseball is done.

It's time for some college bball.



FREE ENES.

[four3two1]

Free Weezy!

[John]

ENES > Weezy lol

[John]

Some thought so far:

St. Johns wins the Great Alaskan Shootout :)
Duke looks good
Michagan St does not.
UNC was overrated
Uconn was underrated.
UK is gonna win the SEC yet again :)

[DL]

st john's has heart, but not the talent (yet)

surprised they came back to win two of those games against not so great teams

past teams didn't pull those games out though. lav ftw?

[John]

What helped big time was the amount of turnovers stjohns got last two games against drake and arizona st.

Drake turned it over on 30.5% of their possessions.
Arizona state 29.3%

Conversely stjohns just hasn't turned it over at all. 9th in NCAA in least turnover %


Its so huge because they still don't shoot the ball very well so they need the extra shots.

I doubt they can turn teams over like that against BE teams but I think they'll be improved this season.


On another note, what the hell is wrong with UNC?

[DL]

yeah, i didn't really watch yesterday's game, but the game report seems to say they sped the game up and asu likes to play slow

unc seems to have the same issue as last year, their talent isn't as good as everyone thought it is. and they just don't have a good pg, as long as drew keeps getting most of the minutes there

[John]

I managed to stay up for it sort of ......I was dosing in and out but they looked good lol.



Yeah UNC just isn't looking good at all right now.........strugged again today vs college of charleston

[bcuster]

not one word about notre dame's run in the old spice classic. loosers. you probably wear your baseball caps on backwards... ;)

[John]

not one word about notre dame's run in the old spice classic. loosers. you probably wear your baseball caps on backwards... ;)


Its ok.
I'd rather them be undefeated when UK whips them ;)

[bcuster]

irish back from 11 behind with 1.30 left. get a brain morains

[bcuster]

irish by 4; 1.0 left.

[bcuster]

irish starting to believe in themselves. good things are starting to happen. irish by 7 plus a foul by the badgers. we are going all the way. .15 left. irish fans going crazy

[bcuster]

no scenario where badgers can win this. notre dame fighting irish aqre 2010 old spice deodarant classic winners!!! :)

[bcuster]

notre dame fighting irish are 2010 old spice classic deodorant classic winners!!! :)

[bcuster]

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[bcuster]

head explosion time on the main thread., too much baseball for late autumn

butler (IN) bulldogs basketball !!! my niece goes there !

[bcuster]

notre dame blows out maryland-balt county. somehow indiana finds a way to lose to n iowa. wtf. and oh yeah uconn made mincemeat out of the smart boys from hahvahd. your 2011 BIG EAST. BRING IT ON!

[John]

John's Top 25 (1/24/11)

1 Ohio St.
2 Kansas
3 Pittsburgh
4 Duke
5 Connecticut
6 Villanova
7 Texas
8 Purdue
9 Syracuse
10 Kentucky
11 Washington
12 BYU
13 San Diego State
14 Missouri
15 Vanderbilt
16 Notre Dame
17 Wisconsin
18 Texas AM
19 Illinois
20 West Virginia
21 Georgetown
22 Florida
23 Louisville
24 Michagan St
25 Minnesota

Others receiving votes
26 North Carolina
27 UNLV
28 Temple
29 Arizona
30 Cincinnatti
31 St. Marys

[DL]

lol "others receiving votes"

from who?

[John]

my special assistants lol

[John]

John's Top 25 (1/31/11)

1 Ohio St.
2 Kansas
3 Texas
4 Duke
5 Pittsburgh
6 Kentucky
7 Connecticut
8 Notre Dame
9 Villanova
10 Purdue
11 BYU
12 Washington
13 Missouri
14 Syracuse
15 Wisconsin
16 San Diego State
17 Louisville
18 Georgetown
19 Texas AM
20 Vanderbilt
21 North Carolina
22 Arizona
23 Florida
24 Tennessee
25 UNLV

Others receiving votes:
26 West Virginia
27 Illinois
28 Temple
29 Marquette
30 Minnesota

[John]

Johns Top 25 (2/7/11)

1 Ohio St.
2 Kansas
3 Texas
4 Pittsburgh
5 Duke
6 Notre Dame
7 Villanova
8 Connecticut
9 BYU
10 Syracuse
11 Georgetown
12 Wisconsin
13 San Diego State
14 Purdue
15 North Carolina
16 Louisville
17 West Virginia
18 Florida
19 Kentucky
20 Missouri
21 Arizona
22 Illinois
23 Vanderbilt
24 UNLV
25 Washington

Others receiving votes
26 Texas AM
27 Tennessee
28 Minnesota
29 Marquette
30 Temple

[bcuster]

irish @ #6 this late in the season. loving it !

[John]

A couple of stumbles on the road but they've played well all season long

Wins vs
Wisconsin
Pittsburgh
Uconn
Cincy
Marquette
Georgetown


Its hard to not be impressed.
Only 4 losses.........not gonna kill them for losing away to Cuse and a neutral game vs UK. It does make our win look good.

[John]

I moved a couple teams up by large amounts as I felt they been underrated.

Florida...........Florida is now on top of the SEC East at 6-2. Bad losses have kept me from moving them up (Jacksonville, UCF) but it's hard to ignore a team thats 7-1 against the Saragin Top 50. They are showing why they were picked to win the SEC.

Georgetown............I moved them down for awhile because they started big east play 1-4...........they have now won 6 straight and have played one of the toughest schedules in the NCAA.

Wisconsin........No real bad losses. This team is amazing efficient on offense. They never turn the ball over (1st in the NCAA and might break records)...........they shoot over 80% from the foul line which during the NCAA and close games, can only help. This is a team I would not want to see. They gonna beat OSU next Saturday as well :)

BYU and SD State...........they got moved up a bit. I think I was a bit too harsh on these teams. SD State has 1 loss and BYU 2 losses. After checking their SOS, its very much compared to other teams around them. I'm not completely sold on either but I see no reason to rank them lower when their SOS was pretty good.

North Carolina....won 10 of 11. Only 5 losses...........11th in SOS.

GOING DOWN.

1. UK............I moved them down from 6th to 19th because of the two losses. I still think they are better then 19th but it's hard to justified that after two losses in the week when other teams have played fairly well. Big week vs UT and at Vandy so a chance to move back up (or further down)

2. Washington.........Two more losses last week and have dropped 3 in a row now. Lost a key player and I think its effecting them. Another team I think is better. Both UK and Washington are similar in that the losses have been very close. It'll be interesting to see how each perform come tourny time.

3. Texas AM..........another that s dropped two last week. SOS not as great either.

[DL]

florida should be higher, purdue lower

there really doesn't seem to be much in purdue's profile, outside of a good record and good pomeroy numbers

[DL]

i would also put georgetown higher

i think they're every bit as worthy of a 2 seed, if not more so, as uconn and nova

[John]

I think what's happened is just like any poll................I think when I first started I had Georgetown and Florida so low, its hard for them to move completely up.

UF jumped from 23 to 18
GT jumped from 18 to 11

I think things will sort themselves out in the future. Things like whether or not Uconn, Nova or GT is the best and whether UF continues to play well.

[bcuster]

i would also put georgetown higher

i think they're every bit as worthy of a 2 seed, if not more so, as uconn and nova


you would no one else

[DL]

i wouldn't be so sure of that

[John]

I mean honestly you can flip flop alot of teams. With the exception of the Top 5 maybe its not like 6 through say 20 is vastly different from one another IMO.

[John]

John's Top 25 (2/14/11)

1 Ohio St.
2 Pittsburgh
3 Kansas
4 Texas
5 Duke
6 Notre Dame
7 Wisconsin
8 Georgetown
9 BYU
10 Connecticut
11 San Diego State
12 Purdue
13 Villanova
14 North Carolina
15 Florida
16 Louisville
17 Syracuse
18 Vanderbilt
19 West Virginia
20 Missouri
21 Arizona
22 Kentucky
23 Washington
24 Texas AM
25 George Mason

Others receiving votes
26 UNLV
27 Temple
28 St. Johns
29 St. Marys
30 Xavier


STJOHNS LOL

[DL]

i'd put st john's in the top 25

things get pretty thin after the the top 15 or so, imo

[John]

I actually had them there but I didn't wanna get accused for homerism lol.


No doubt.
Theres not alot of very good teams IMO lol.

I think maybe 6-7 teams have a shot at winning it all lol.

[bcuster]

osu still #1 after losing to wisconsin? no way

[bcuster]

kansas vs kansas state on tap tonight

[John]

Losing at Wisconsin is not bad.

That team is still 24-1

Losing AT Wisconsin (a place no one wins) >>>>> Losing at home to Texas IMO. Now I think you could strongly consider Pitt

You can make a case for Pitt. Kansas or OSU IMO

[DL]

you know what i really hate about the expanded tournament?

how the hell do you fill out a bracket now?

[DL]

and of course, i have enough trouble thinking of enough teams for a 65 team tournament

[John]

you know what i really hate about the expanded tournament?

how the hell do you fill out a bracket now?

Either one of two things will have to happen

1) Wait until Wednesday after the play in games to fill out the bracket.

OR

2) You'll actually have to pick the winner of the play in games. You'll just have to figure out who's getting those last two 12 seeds. The 16's didn't really matter cause no one is picking them to beat a 1 anyways lol

[John]

and of course, i have enough trouble thinking of enough teams for a 65 team tournament

There isn't.

I used to think just take the best 68 teams no automatic bids.........that would make for a better tourny but honestly I have trouble picking 37 or so at large teams that deserve a bid much less 68 lol.

Besides 7 of the last 10 years a 1 seed has won anyways so it really doesnt matter lol. They could just do a 16 team tourny and be just fine lol

[DL]

butler almost shocked the world last year though

i think it could actually happen this year

[bcuster]

and of course, i have enough trouble thinking of enough teams for a 65 team tournament

who is going to be left for the nit to invite? lol

[bcuster]

butler almost shocked the world last year though

i think it could actually happen this year

that was exciting. my niece was a freshman at butler last year. she got a taste of how athletics success can sweep up a campus...

[bcuster]

There isn't.

I used to think just take the best 68 teams no automatic bids.........that would make for a better tourny but honestly I have trouble picking 37 or so at large teams that deserve a bid much less 68 lol.

Besides 7 of the last 10 years a 1 seed has won anyways so it really doesnt matter lol. They could just do a 16 team tourny and be just fine lol

i like the automatic bids. only way the little guys get in...

[DL]

the nit should just be a gigantic free for all tourney for everyone else

[John]

ummm

kansas is down 10 on K-state lol

[DL]

i've always had questions about how good KU actually was

[John]

Just a bit surprising.............since the texas loss they been crushing everyone.

[DL]

they'll still win this one, imo

but i mean, they have surprisingly few great wins for a supposed powerhouse

course that's what i thought about them the year they won it all

[John]

I think if we are looking in terms of great wins.....Pittsburgh has everyone beat.

[John]

Crazy stat

Texas D is beyond awesome.

They are giving up like .82 ppp on Defense.

[bcuster]

I think if we are looking in terms of great wins.....Pittsburgh has everyone beat.

except for notre dame

[bcuster]

jayhawks melting like the snow in today's thaw..

irish could be #1 by nights' end..

[DL]

my real-time rankings have KU dropping from the top 10

[John]

lol DL.


Not easy to win road games lol

[John]

K-state desperately needed this one as well lol

[DL]

damn, why did i forget to bet on this game

[John]

Sidney is prehaps the laziest player i've ever seen

[DL]

lol are we only posting college hoops stuff here now?

[bcuster]

lol are we only posting college hoops stuff here now?

i started a swimming & diving thread. not gaining much traction...

[bcuster]

maryland & villanova in close ones...

[John]

haha I dont know.

UK up 13 and once again could not close a game out............won but barely.

[bcuster]

yeah the wildcats let miss. sneak back into it..

[John]

I just can't figure it out.

I'm just at a loss. Maybe it's in their heads now after losing so many of these type of games.

Go Stjohns

[bcuster]

go irish

[John]

stjohns could get a double bye in the ncaa tourny lol.

[bcuster]

stjohns could get a double bye in the ncaa tourny lol.

they would need it

[John]

oh god @ that lol

[bcuster]

dl is glued to his md game action source...

[DL]

terps are fucking getting screwed

[bcuster]

ouch; md had this one...

[DL]

screw fucking virginia tech

no reason for them to get the duke/unc treatment

[bcuster]

villanova hanging on by the skin of their balls

[John]

md board must be going nuts now lol

[bcuster]

md board must be going nuts now lol

it's over. turtles lose

[DL]

md board must be going nuts now lol

yeah, it's awful right now

[bcuster]

md will prob wind up in the remnants of the nit...

[bcuster]

i remember when notre dame was on the dung heap of ncaambb. we are in a new golden age...

[DL]

md will prob wind up in the remnants of the nit...

whatever

they should reject the bid

the seniors on this team don't deserve it

[John]

whatever

they should reject the bid

the seniors on this team don't deserve it

ouch lol.

[DL]

well, one senior deserves it

but fuck man, this team's underclassmen are better

[bcuster]

whatever

they should reject the bid

the seniors on this team don't deserve it

nd played holy cross in the nit (at home in the joyce) a couple years ago. i got 2 tix and my fellow local alumnus friend refused to go w/me. he called it the jv tourney. nd wound up losing! that suxxcorred

[DL]

i would never lose it and post this on the md board, but gary williams has to go

[DL]

st john's trying to eliminate marquette from consideration, basically

[John]

St johns is playing so well lately.

[DL]

fuck this

college basketball is dead until next october

[lucienlc]

St Johns looking really good these days. They look like an NCAA team. And they're loads of fun to watch, with their aggressive style on both offense and defense.

Amazing what a difference a top coach can make. No way they'd be anywhere near this good under the old regime.

[John]

St Johns looking really good these days. They look like an NCAA team. And they're loads of fun to watch, with their aggressive style on both offense and defense.

Amazing what a difference a top coach can make. No way they'd be anywhere near this good under the old regime.

Its amazing. I mean they returned nearly the same exact team as last year. I liked Norm and all but the difference is night and day now.

You could tell these seniors really want to make the tourny one time before they leave.

[John]

Johns Top 25 (2/21/11)

1 Ohio St.
2 Pittsburgh
3 Kansas
4 Duke
5 BYU
6 Texas
7 San Deigo St.
8 Purdue
9 Georgetown
10 Wisconsin
11 Notre Dame
12 Connecticut
13 Syracuse
14 Kentucky
15 Villanova
16 Arizona
17 North Carolina
18 Florida
19 Louisville
20 Vanderbilt
21 St. Johns
22 West Virginia
23 Missouri
24 Texas AM
25 Xavier

I'm beginning to realize that if I just take the Top 25 last week and adjust based on wins and losses like I'm sure most polls do, it gives way too much weight to last weeks games so I've completely revamped it and based it on the entire season.

[DL]

ha, not sure i would rank them that way based on your new methodology

[John]

Lol some are high and some may be too low but I think overall I did ok


Shit took me 4 hours lol

[bcuster]

the irish drop out of the top ten? BOOOO!. but that was a bad loss in morgantown :(

[John]

It was a combo of that and the fact that I probably been hating on BYU and SD state.

There SOS is comparable to the bigger conferences so I can't hate.

Also Purdue knocked off both Wisconsin and Ohio St so that helped them lol

[DL]

i'd still put nd and gtown in that 5-8 territory over byu and sdsu

[John]

I think I would do that as well.

Part of the reason I have this is cause I'm gonna eventually do my own bracket and see how I do with guessing the field compared to others. So I'm conflicting in whether I'm making a bracket of the best teams or I'm making a bracket from what I think the NCAA is gonna do. Washington IMO would be rated higher if it was up to me lol, maybe BYU and SD lower.
So while ND and GT might be better, pretty much any bracket you look at this point has BYU and SD State (at least one of them) as a 2 seed. Actually if you ask most people that look at this stuff, they are closer to a 1 seed then 3/4 seeds.

I gotta say when u get down to the bottom, its unbelievable how close everyone is.......thats why u see Alabama and/or Michagan St. in the discussion.

[John]

Oh and it's amazing ppl still look at RPI but they do.

In fact, when the NCAA does the selection the cheat sheets they use have RPI, RPI in wins and RPI in losses. So while people don't directly say well such and such team RPI is high, indirectly thats a huge thing they look at.

Polls like Pomeroy and Sargarin is listing in "other materials" but there's no evidence people even look at it.

[John]

Thing about those teams
BYU is 5-0 against the Sargarin Top 25 and 6-1 over the Top 50.

Duke OTOH is 1-0 against Top 25 (UNC at home) and 6-2 over the Top 50.

[bcuster]

notre dame & st john's cruising tonight. irish with a nice showing on the road in providence (so far)

[bcuster]

lol. cincy was up by 16 @ prov sat night & the game wound up going into ot. anything can happen in the BE. prov applying full court pressure now

[bcuster]

irish by only 4 w/a minute left. the friars have good late game stamina..

[bcuster]

nd by 2 :17.2

[bcuster]

:01 left. irish by 1

[bcuster]

great win for notre dame. 11th BE win.. marshon brooks on prov scored 40 pts against us unreal

[bcuster]

kentucky in an ot nailbiter

[bcuster]

oops. soorry, john...

[bcuster]

awesome hansbrough highlights:

[John]

Predictions for Seeding
1 seeds = Ohio St. Kansas Pittsburgh and ND
2 seeds = Duke, San Diego St, UNC, Syracuse
3 seeds = Texas, Uconn, Kentucky, Florida
4 seeds = Purdue, BYU, Louisville, Wisconsin
5 seeds = St. Johns, WVU, Georgetown, Arizona
6 seeds = Cincy, Vanderbilt, UNLV, Temple
7 seeds = Old Dominion, Texas AM, Kansas St, Xavier
8 seeds = George Mason, Utah St, Washington, Missouri
9 seeds = UCLA, Tenn, Villanova, Illinois
10 seeds = Marquette, Richmond, Gonzaga, Michigan St.
11 seeds = Colorado, Virginia Tech, Michigan, Florida St.
12 seeds = Clemson/Penn St., St. Marys/Georgia, Butler, Memphis
13 seeds = Belmont, Oakland, Princeton, Bucknell
14 seeds = Wofford, Morehead St., Long Island, Indiana St.
15 seeds = St Peters, Northern Colorado, Akron, UC Santa Barbara
16 seeds = UNC Asheville, Boston U, Hampton/Arkansas LR, UTSA/Alabama St.

[John]

Matchup Predictions
East Team Location
1 Ohio St. Cleveland
16 Hampton/Arkansas LR Cleveland
8 Missouri Cleveland
9 Villanova Cleveland
5 Arizona Tampa
12 Memphis Tampa
4 Louisville Tampa
13 Princeton Tampa
6 Temple Wash DC
11 Colorado Wash DC
3 Uconn Wash DC
14 Long Island Wash DC
7 Old Dominion Charlotte
10 Michigan St. Charlotte
2 North Carolina Charlotte
15 St. Peters Charlotte


West Team Location
1 Pittsburgh Cleveland
16 Boston U Cleveland
8 Washington Cleveland
9 Illinois Cleveland
5 Georgetown Denver
12 St. Marys/Georgia Denver
4 Wisconsin Denver
13 Bucknell Denver
6 Cincy Tampa
11 Michigan Tampa
3 Florida Tampa
14 Wofford Tampa
7 Texas AM Tuscon
10 Marquette Tuscon
2 San Diego St. Tuscon
15 Northern Colorado Tuscon

Southwest Team Location
1 Kansas Tulsa
16 UTSA/Alabama St. Tulsa
8 Utah St. Tulsa
9 UCLA Tulsa
5 West Virginia Tuscon
12 Clemson/Penn St. Tuscon
4 Purdue Tuscon
13 Oakland Tuscon
6 UNLV Chicago
11 Florida St. Chicago
3 Kentucky Chicago
14 Indiana St. Chicago
7 Kansas St. Wash DC
10 Richmond Wash DC
2 Syracuse Wash DC
15 UC Santa Barbara Wash DC

Southeast Team Location
1 Notre Dame Chicago
16 UNC Asheville Chicago
8 George Mason Chicago
9 Tennessee Chicago
5 St. Johns Denver
12 Butler Denver
4 BYU Denver
13 Belmont Denver
6 Vanderbilt Tulsa
11 Virginia Tech Tulsa
3 Texas Tulsa
14 Morehead St. Tulsa
7 Xavier Charlotte
10 Gonzaga Charlotte
2 Duke Charlotte
15 Akron Charlotte

[John]

Results
65 out of 68 teams correct 95.50%
33 out of 68 teams correct 48.50%
54 out of 68 teams within 1 seed 79.41%

[bcuster]

nice pix, john. you did better than any of the "experts" out there. nice job

i was shocked, upset & disgusted by notre dame's gag job in the BET. somehow the irish landed on their feet & were given a 2 seed in the dance

.. can't complain, i guess...

[John]

Here is it guys.............Final Four :)

[Squadron Nye]

What's your take on the final four john?

[John]

VCU looks awfully good.

It's hard to imagine this team came into this tourny and was killed for their lack of D. Smart has them playing D now lol.

And if VCU continues to shoot the 3 like they have been you may as well give them the national title.

I think they beat Butler.


Uconn/UK will be extremely close. And Kemba has made huge shots all season long so it scares me lol. No prediction. Just hope UK can keep moving on lol.

[Squadron Nye]

Butler won't roll over.. This game will be good till the end

[John]

Looks like we are going to get two good games tonight.

[John]

congrats to Mack and the Butler Bulldogs

Sorry Tubby didn't recruit you.