General Discussion Thread 6/22/10: welcome Back Bobby Parnell

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

It honestly could've been anyone ('cept Green or Mota) as long as the corresponding move was "optioned Mejia to AA".

[Chris in Ga]

It honestly could've been anyone ('cept Green or Mota) as long as the corresponding move was "optioned Mejia to AA".

Agreed. It is nice that it's Parnell

[Athena]

Bobby Parnell! That might be fun. And yes, if it's not Mota that is a good thing.

I was just trying to decide if I would have been willing to take Ollie back in the pen if it meant that Mejia could be sent down. That would certainly be sacrificing today to prepare for the future. The answer is yes, but I would have been pissed! ;-)

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

It really doesn't matter, the pen would still be healthy mixes of Dos, Glue and KRod.

[Chris in Ga]

It really doesn't matter, the pen would still be healthy mixes of Dos, Glue and KRod.

The only guys allowed to pitch. I bet Parnell will get overused too since he is the new toy

[Lunkwill Fook]

Hey, guys. Just dropped in to say "Hi"! Hope things are going well. LGM and stuff!

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Hey, guys. Just dropped in to say "Hi"! Hope things are going well. LGM and stuff!

n00b?

[Chris in Ga]

Hey, guys. Just dropped in to say "Hi"! Hope things are going well. LGM and stuff!

Good to see ya bro

[Ed in Westchester]

LUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


How are ya buddy?

[Dep]

OMGZ IMPOSTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

::looks for ban hammah::

[four3two1]

mornin all ya'll 21st century geekoids.

[four3two1]

Dep or Athena or other Priveleged ones...sticky the "i'm new here" thread. its where all the noobs can post.

[Tim]

Hey, guys. Just dropped in to say "Hi"! Hope things are going well. LGM and stuff!

hows the gender reassignment going?

[Dep]

FRANKS N BEANS

FRANKS N BEANS

[peejay]

I heard that lunk started a nationals blog called "strassgeek"

South Africa goooooooooooooooooal

[peejay]

Somebody's quiche is soggy this morning

[peejay]

" mornin all ya'll 21st century geekoids"

My daddy's a lazy middle class intellectual, my mommy's on valium so ineffectual

[peejay]

Red card! Frogs playing with 10

[Dep]

HBO renewed its vampire drama True Blood for a fourth season comprised of 12 episodes.

w00t

[Dep]

" mornin all ya'll 21st century geekoids"

My daddy's a lazy middle class intellectual, my mommy's on valium so ineffectual

score!

[Dep]

I heard that lunk started a nationals blog called "strassgeek"

South Africa goooooooooooooooooal

lmao

[Chris in Ga]

They're making me do work this morning. Argh.

[four3two1]

I just needed time alone, with my own thoughts
Got treasures in my mind but couldn’t open up my own vault
My childlike creativity, purity and honesty
Is honestly being prodded by these grown thoughts
Reality is catchin’ up with me
Takin’ my inner child, I’m fighting for it, custody

[Dep]

bastids, leave our chris alone!

my boss isnt in yet, my playtime will soon end

[Dep]

Bad Religion > KANYE

[four3two1]

lol. the song is better than most of the song he's come out with in the last 2 years tho. someone decided they actually needed to put out something quality before they got E True Hollywood storied

[Dep]

lol 4321. funny

[Dep]

oooh NBA n NHL drafts later this week

DRAFT WEEK!

[Dep]

Jerry Manuel had lobbied since spring training for Mejia to be included in the major league bullpen, but the 20-year-old rookie’s recent lack of use resulted in the decision to send him to the minors. That will allow Mejia to concentrate more on developing his curveball and changeup.

According to Fangraphs.com, 78 percent of Mejia’s major league pitches were fastballs, 13 percent were changeups and nine percent were curveballs. Mejia ranked fourth among National League relievers in the percentage of fastballs used.

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Another American League scout noted that teams are well aware of Mejia’s high-end potential, regardless of where he was assigned.

“No question. We’d love to have him,” he said. “I think everybody knows he’s one of the top prospects. He’s got a lot of value. He would have more value as a starter than a reliever. They did the right thing by sending him out because he needs to pitch.”

Could Mejia have developed just the same even with regular use in the major league bullpen?

“No,” one scout said. “This is better.”

Said another scout: “The problem I have with it is there was no need to do it. At some point in time, it was like throwing Jerry a bone: ‘OK, you can have your one guy’ -- a ‘we’re-not-very-happy-about-this’ type of thing. I mean, there’s the experience of being there, but if they would have done it for a full year, I think they would have lost what kind of pitcher he was. Instead of being a three-pitch-mix guy, he’d end up just blowing by guys, and lose the changeup -- or whatever the case may be. I think they may have caught it in time. Hopefully he gets it to where he can command the fastball again.”.

[four3two1]

i'm ready to fire Jerry (and Omar for not having the balls to do something about it) for that travesty of a decision alone.

[four3two1]

of course...we wouldn't get anyone better...atleast in the GM spot.

[Dep]

yup, we'll likely do worse!

[four3two1]

mehico losing to uruguay. South Africa kicking french butt.

[Dep]

goooo host nation!

deppy gotta go, i'll try to find my way back. beback for the game at least tonight.

tonight we start a new streak
tonight WE BOWL!

[Chris in Ga]

oooh NBA n NHL drafts later this week

DRAFT WEEK!

I actually thought the NBA one already happened

[SoCal Metfan]

i'm ready to fire Jerry (and Omar for not having the balls to do something about it) for that travesty of a decision alone.

If *only* this were the only reason I want to fire Jerry. *sigh*

[SoCal Metfan]

of course...we wouldn't get anyone better...atleast in the GM spot.

I lobby for Paul Depodesta for GM!

[four3two1]

Fixing Mistakes



Hypothetical scenario: Imagine you’re at a restaurant. You order, let’s say, spaghetti with meatballs and a side salad. When the food comes, your waiter instead presents you with a hamburger. Well, no, that’s not right, and you point out the mistake. The waiter apologizes, and then returns moments later with just spaghetti; no meatballs, no salad. No, still not right, and you point out the mistake again. The waiter returns, but again forgets to bring the salad. Almost there, but not quite, so you once again point out the error. The waiter returns, and on the fourth try brings the entire correct order. Finally.

So now, the hypothetical question: What are you going to tip? Are you going to tip the waiter the same amount you would had he brought the order correctly the first attempt? Are you going to tip him more because he corrected his earlier mistakes?

This is a really easy one, right? I suspect a great deal of people would not give a generous tip in this situation, and I don’t think anyone would tip more than they normally would. I would guess that a majority of people would probably just tip less. The waiter came up with the right combination eventually, but only after a few trials and errors. A waiter really does his job well if he prevents the mistakes from occurring. He probably shouldn’t get extra credit for correcting mistakes he himself created. I think most everyone can agree on that.

This is why I don’t understand why people are congratulating the Mets for correcting mistakes made during their initial roster construction -- and by “people,” I really just mean “me, two months ago, when they designated Mike Jacobs for assignment. (http://www.patrickfloodblog.com/2010/04/and-jacobs-begot-isaac.html)” It’s like watching someone drive their car into a lake, seeing them notice that they have, in fact, driven their car into a lake, and only then do they stop driving any farther into the lake. Then you pat them on the back and exclaim, “Good job! You stopped driving any farther into the lake!” The Mets are fixing mistakes, but they’re fixing mistakes that they made.

Now, every team is likely to make one or two “d’ohs” on the Opening Day roster, but the Mets seem to have made more than their fair share. The Mets made at least six (John Maine, Oliver Perez, Frank Catalanotto, Mike Jacobs, Gary Matthews Jr., and Jenrry Mejia), and possibly a few more if you want to count “not having a bullpen” as an ongoing mistake. They have moved ahead and fixed most of these wrongs, and as the season has progressed, the Mets have continued to improve their roster via subtraction. One one hand, that's a good thing. Unfortunately, this is also generally a sign that someone calling the shots is wearing a pair of Bad Idea Jeans (http://www.hulu.com/watch/10310/saturday-night-live-bad-idea-jeans) -- something is wrong with the organizational philosophy when Plan B keeps succeeding where Plan A fails. The Mets are fixing mistakes, but they’re not fixing the cause of their mistakes.

Take, for example, the recent demotion of Jenrry Mejia. The Mets sent Mejia down because his ability to throw strikes (15 walks against 17 strikeouts) was not consistent enough for him to lock down the eighth inning role as they (or just Jerry Manuel) envisioned. That's the thing: I don’t think the Mets suddenly came to a general agreement that sticking a 20-year-old minor league starter in the major league bullpen to begin the season was a bad idea -- even though, best I can tell, it’s only happened one other time in the modern bullpen era of the past 30 years (Brent Knackert for the Mariners in 1990). The Mets sent Mejia down because he wasn’t very good, not because they decided having him up wasn’t a very good idea. There is a world of difference between the two. One is seeing the problem with the results; the other is seeing the problem with the process. One is just backing out of the lake; the other one is figuring out why you drove into the lake to begin with.

Similarly, the Mets didn’t cut Gary Matthews Jr. because they realized their reasoning behind trading for him was flawed; they cut him because he hit .190. Same for Mike Jacobs, same Oliver Perez. They didn’t see the flawed processes, just the flawed results.

It seems to me that the Mets problem is a lack of faith. A running joke is that certain GMs, notably Omar Minaya and Dayton Moore, repeatedly acquire players from their former organizations -- Sam Page at Amazin’ Avenue mentioned this recently (http://www.amazinavenue.com/2010/6/20/1526765/mets-management-needs-to-start). I suspect what this reflects is that plenty of teams still haven’t embraced ideas like (1) baseball players actually peak and decline earlier than previously thought and (2) minor leagues statistics are the best predictors of major league success. Instead, teams stick to their personal experience -- which, in a way, makes plenty of sense. Most of us trust what we already know and like to stick to our comfort zones. But maybe that’s not always the best plan, particularly for baseball teams. Many of the decisions the Mets made in spring training -- “known” veterans over “unknown” youngsters and career minor leaguers -- seems to reflect this thinking. Maine over Dickey, Perez over Takahashi, Jacobs over Davis, and Catalanotto over Carter. They didn’t have faith in things they hadn’t seen for themselves. And to channel my inner Darth Vader, I find their lack of faith disturbing.

On the other hand . . . the Mets currently have the third best record in the National League. So it’s not that big of a problem, or at the very least, it’s less of a problem this year than in years past. The Mets brought in better options this season; they didn’t use them immediately, but they did bring them into the organization. That’s an improvement of sorts. R.A. Dickey, Hisanori Takahashi, and Chris Carter didn’t just come out of nowhere. The Mets brought them in as depth, and that’s a good thing.

Still, it’s as if instead of ordering just the bad items on the menu as they did in the past -- I apologize for so many restaurant metaphors -- the Mets have moved on to ordering ALL of the items on the menu, but still insist on trying out all the bad ones first. At least the good ones were on the table this time around.

But the Mets are going to keep choosing bad stuff first, until they figure out a better way to separate what’s going to be good from what’s going to be bad, preferably in advance. I don’t know what the answer is. I do know when a majority of bloggers and writers say, “No, what you’re doing with Jacobs/Matthews/Maine/Perez/Mejia is a bad idea,” and they ALL turn out to be bad ideas, maybe it’s time to rethink things. Maybe it’s time to check and make sure no one is wearing Bad Idea Jeans.

Still, the Mets have the third-best record in the NL -- I know, right? How’d that happen? -- so maybe I should put away the hater-ade and just enjoy it.

[Peter H]

The case for Milwood (from Fangraphs):


When people talk about the starting pitchers that will be available for trade over the next month, the same names always come up – Cliff Lee, Roy Oswalt, Ben Sheets, and Jake Westbrook lead most of the discussions. However, I’d like to throw another name into the mix, and suggest that he might end up being the best value purchase for a team looking to add a middle of the rotation starter for a few months – Kevin Millwood.

Yes, the same Kevin Millwood who currently has a 5.12 ERA for the Orioles and is due about $5 million for the rest of 2010. That guy and bargain actually go together. Due to the money he’s owed, the runs he’s allowed, and the generally average stuff, Millwood’s not going to be highly sought after. However, he’s pitched pretty well this year, and is quite reminiscent of a pitcher in a similar position a year ago – Carl Pavano.

Like Millwood, teams weren’t beating down the door for Pavano a year ago, despite a very good walk rate and solid strikeout rate. His BABIP was .330 when the Indians finally traded him to the Twins, so while his xFIP was good (3.94), his ERA was not (5.34). Because of this, he was able to get through waivers and be traded after the July 31st deadline, and the Twins just surrendered a PTBNL to get him. Pavano then pitched well for the Twins down the stretch and in the post-season, and has continued his success there in 2010.

Millwood’s xFIP currently stands at 4.17, and even that is inflated a bit from the division he plays in. Four of his starts have come against the Yankees and Red Sox, and in those games, he’s walked 16 and struck out 18. In his other 11 starts, he’s walked 13 and struck out 60. Yes, those games still count, but if he pitched in a less demanding division, his overall numbers would be quite a bit better, and he’d be attracting more attention.

Unless Millwood really turns it on over the next month, he’s unlikely to command much of a return from the team that acquires him. Don’t be surprised if his results magically improve once he gets out of Baltimore, however – the BABIP and HR/FB numbers are bound to regress, and getting him away from the AL East can only help.

For a team that doesn’t want to pay a premium price to acquire pitching help, Millwood may be their best bet.

[SoCal Metfan]

The case for Milwood (from Fangraphs):

If he can be had for minimal prospects, I'm certainly in favor of trading for Millwood. He's not great, but if he can be had cheap, he's not terrible either. A step up from the backend we started the year with.

[SoCal Metfan]

Fun fact: The O's first basemen haven't hit a single home run this season.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/4035/os-first-basemen-still-homer-free

Holy moly. A reminder that even during our worst losing streak this year we never had to deal with this kind of suckitude.

[John]

Testing testing 123

[Storkinator]

The Popper quote about the locker room and front office not being happy about Jerry's John Maine comments is interesting. I understand why the FO would get rubbed the wrong way seeing as how John is still on the payroll, but I don't understand why anyone in the LR would give a shit? Every time Maine took the mound it was a disaster. If I were on that team, I wouldn't wanna see him pitch to another batter while in a Mets uniform. I would be very surprised if any player on that team had any confidence in John while he was on the mound this season. How can you play behind a guy like this knowing that more often than not, you will lose the game because Maine will dig a hole too deep to get out of.

BTW, was there a drive by lunking earlier today?

[Chris in Ga]

A teammate was disrespected. I think that is why the clubhouse is upset with jerry's comments relating to Maine. By all accts, Maine is well liked. I think the revelation by warthen Sunday about what Maine's been going thru to make starts had an effect on me and probably has had an effect on his teammates. Maine is done unless they find something else wrong IMO. It might not be immediate but eventually his velocity will make it be the end

[Future]

There was no need to disrespect Maine like that and Jerry should have shut his trap.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

The Popper quote about the locker room and front office not being happy about Jerry's John Maine comments is interesting. I understand why the FO would get rubbed the wrong way seeing as how John is still on the payroll, but I don't understand why anyone in the LR would give a shit? Every time Maine took the mound it was a disaster. If I were on that team, I wouldn't wanna see him pitch to another batter while in a Mets uniform. I would be very surprised if any player on that team had any confidence in John while he was on the mound this season. How can you play behind a guy like this knowing that more often than not, you will lose the game because Maine will dig a hole too deep to get out of.

BTW, was there a drive by lunking earlier today?

Yeah, you shoulda been there.

[Storkinator]

I heard Jerry's comments when he first made them. He was joking around (though he most likely meant it). I didn't think it was disrespectful. And If I were on that team, I wouldn't want Maine rocking the boat while the starting rotation has been sailing along for the most part.

[Chris in Ga]

Juan urbina going for GCL Mets today. Thru 3. Given up 1 hit, 1 walk and recorded 2 ks. The mets r up 1-0 vs some high a starter who is rehabbing with GCL nats

[Chris in Ga]

You know that Maine was sent for another exam. Media saying it's pretty bleak that he will be healthy again ever. I don't think he'll b rocking the boat.

[Chris in Ga]

Urbina thru 4 giving up 2 hits, 1 walk with 3 ks. No runs given up

[Dave Magadan]

Damn that sucks for Maine. Miss that rising 95MPH fastball. Well if its over thanks for the memories Maine Event.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Juan urbina going for GCL Mets today. Thru 3. Given up 1 hit, 1 walk and recorded 2 ks. The mets r up 1-0 vs some high a starter who is rehabbing with GCL nats

Is that Urgeth Urbina's son?

[Storkinator]

I know my comments are harsh. I'm just looking at it from one perspective. As far as John is concerned, I feel really bad for him. He was one of the lucky few given an opportunity to play baseball for a living and now it might be taken away from him for good. All before the age of 30. It's one thing to chase your dream and never reach it. It's another to catch it, live it, then have it snatched away while still in your prime. I want him to do well, but if he can't, then I don't want him on this team.

[Dave Magadan]

Sooo Jason Vargas decided to stay above earth, huh? 5-2 ERA 2.88 and a whip of1.11.

[Future]

Sooo Jason Vargas decided to stay above earth, huh? 5-2 ERA 2.88 and a whip of1.11.

Looked decent when I saw him pitch against the Padres.

[Chris in Ga]

Is that Urgeth Urbina's son?
Yes

[Dave Magadan]

Do you guys think Wilmer will get a promotion this week now that Savannah won the first half championship? His numbers are down but still good for a player his age...on par w/ his most compared player Multiple(HR) Miggs

[Peter H]

What exactly did Jerry say about Maine?

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Sooo Jason Vargas decided to stay above earth, huh? 5-2 ERA 2.88 and a whip of1.11.

So Lindstrom could have helped in 2007 and 2008 and Vargas is good now.

Has that taken the lead as worst trade of the Minaya era?

[Peter H]

If he can be had for minimal prospects, I'm certainly in favor of trading for Millwood. He's not great, but if he can be had cheap, he's not terrible either. A step up from the backend we started the year with.

One advantadge of getting Milwood is that it means Taka2 can go to the pen. I'm convinced that the more exposure Taka2, the more batters are going to catch up to his funky delivery. Somebody on AA posted these splits of Taka as as starter.

1st time facing a batter: 224/269/.286
2nd time facing a batter:.245/.288/.408
3rd time facing a batter: 355/.394/.484

[Peter H]

So Lindstrom could have helped in 2007 and 2008 and Vargas is good now.

Has that taken the lead as worst trade of the Minaya era?

Vargas was one of the guys we got for Lindstrom.

[SoCal Metfan]

The Popper quote about the locker room and front office not being happy about Jerry's John Maine comments is interesting. I understand why the FO would get rubbed the wrong way seeing as how John is still on the payroll, but I don't understand why anyone in the LR would give a shit? Every time Maine took the mound it was a disaster. If I were on that team, I wouldn't wanna see him pitch to another batter while in a Mets uniform. I would be very surprised if any player on that team had any confidence in John while he was on the mound this season. How can you play behind a guy like this knowing that more often than not, you will lose the game because Maine will dig a hole too deep to get out of.

BTW, was there a drive by lunking earlier today?

Because he's their teammate. If Jer's gonna throw a guy under a bus, he'll do it to them when they get hurt. That kind of crap is what turns players on a manager.

[SoCal Metfan]

I heard Jerry's comments when he first made them. He was joking around (though he most likely meant it). I didn't think it was disrespectful. And If I were on that team, I wouldn't want Maine rocking the boat while the starting rotation has been sailing along for the most part.

If I'm on that team, I care a lot more about my teammates than the manager. One of the reasons ATL players love Bobby Cox so much is how much he'll get their backs, no matter what. He doesn't throw guys under a bus, even jokingly. Jer has done this a before (Ryan Church anyone?), and players might let it slide once, but for him to do it again (to a guy who's hurt, no less). If it's joking about Ollie it's one thing, Ollie's already a problem child cause his attitude. Maine had no such problems, I know some people don't like Maine, but the guy worked his ass off for the team, and teammates appreciate taht, regardless of performance on the field (see Frenchy).

[SoCal Metfan]

What exactly did Jerry say about Maine?

He stated that Maine he would be a starter. When asked whether Dickey or Tak would be removed, Jer said that they'd both stay starters. The obvious question was then asked when does Maine pitch then, he said something to the effect of, "On off days."

it was a joke, I'm sure, but you don't joke about one of your players careers like that. It's just not cool.

[Dep]

Do you guys think Wilmer will get a promotion this week now that Savannah won the first half championship? His numbers are down but still good for a player his age...on par w/ his most compared player Multiple(HR) Miggs

he was promoted already i believe

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Vargas was one of the guys we got for Lindstrom.

I know, and he's with the M's now. So the 3 main parts of that trade are no longer with the organization and at some point or another could have been valuable assets to the team.

[Chris in Ga]

Urbina went five scoreless. Relieved by fmr major leaguer Carlos Muniz, rehabbing after tj surgery. Did not do good

[Dave Magadan]

he was promoted already i believe

Really cool! I didnt know that...Hope he can get kickstarted down in PSL

[Dave Magadan]

Wow read about this too:

Nobody deserved a promotion more than Cohoon, who threw three straight complete game shutouts for the Sand Gnats in his last three starts as a Sand Gnat, proving he was too advanced for Low-A hitters—the crafty lefty will skip over St. Lucie and head right to Double-A Binghamton. The Texas-native was 7-1 with a 1.30 ERA. He was the Sterling Award winner in Brooklyn last year.

[Dep]

huge jump for Cohoon, hope he does well

[Peter H]

He stated that Maine he would be a starter. When asked whether Dickey or Tak would be removed, Jer said that they'd both stay starters. The obvious question was then asked when does Maine pitch then, he said something to the effect of, "On off days."

it was a joke, I'm sure, but you don't joke about one of your players careers like that. It's just not cool.

Wow. What a jerk.

[Dave Magadan]

huge jump for Cohoon, hope he does well

Yup it will be interesting to see...cant wait to see how Flores handles the FSL.

[Dep]

here's the flores bit maggz

http://macksmets.blogspot.com/2010/06/corrected-savannah-promotions.html

[CatchDog]

Carlos Beltran worked out in front of Omar Minaya and members of the club’s Major League training staff at Digital Domain Park (on Sunday), displaying the kind of hitting and baserunning that left Minaya convinced the outfielder is ready to make the next step in rehabbing his surgically repaired right knee, although no start date has been determined just yet.”

Sounds like 83 7/64ths on the Tron-O-Meter.

[Dave Magadan]

here's the flores bit maggz

http://macksmets.blogspot.com/2010/06/corrected-savannah-promotions.html

thanks dude...love when promotions are given

[Dep]

that sounds a bit positive

thus it can't be tru!

[CatchDog]

here's the flores bit maggz

http://macksmets.blogspot.com/2010/06/corrected-savannah-promotions.html

Mack had an article a few months back that said Wilmer had the potential to have a "retired number" career when all is said and done.

[C Low's Doppelganger]

I told ya Maine sucked, hehehehehe ;)

[Dave Magadan]

Mack had an article a few months back that said Wilmer had the potential to have a "retired number" career when all is said and done.

Hes putting up some good numbers but its waay to early to tell. As you can see with my location i'm pulling for the dude. Definitely has a bat worth drooling about.

[Rave]

There was a picture of Beltran looking fat, with a huge ice pack on his knee. Seriously, Carlos needs to shed major poundage or his knees will never be able to take the load.

[CatchDog]

Hes putting up some good numbers but its waay to early to tell. As you can see with my location i'm pulling for the dude. Definitely has a bat worth drooling about.

Big time. Love the comps to Miggy too. But using the phrase "retired number" is really setting the bar a bit high for anyone.

[Dave Magadan]

With Mejia in AA, Flores in A+, and Cohoon in AA it will def be fun to follow those two teams. Hopefully Holt can shun his suckiness away at PSL.

[C Low's Doppelganger]

He stated that Maine he would be a starter. When asked whether Dickey or Tak would be removed, Jer said that they'd both stay starters. The obvious question was then asked when does Maine pitch then, he said something to the effect of, "On off days."

it was a joke, I'm sure, but you don't joke about one of your players careers like that. It's just not cool.

What's not cool was Maine showing up his coach in the dugout. I liked the Jerry zing. Put Maine in his place a bit. We all hate Jerry but you still don't do that in the dugout. Do it behind closed doors.

[Dave Magadan]

Big time. Love the comps to Miggy too. But using the phrase "retired number" is really setting the bar a bit high for anyone.

Hes currently even to a better year w/ Miggy at age and league. But Flores did have the advantage of playing in Savannah last year.

[CatchDog]

How are you feeling C Low?

[C Low's Doppelganger]

I'm feeling much better CatchDog. Thanks for asking. I've very recently been cleared by 2 different doctors of all sinister stuff. They think it was a virus that attacked my nervous system. I'm almost 100%. So I'm almost back to being my good old annoying self. :)

[four3two1]

This day will be the end of me. Work sucks

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[Dep]

Tapa tapa tapa

ARE YOU TOO GOOD FOR YOUR HOME?!?!?!

[C Low's Doppelganger]

Dep, I got so sh$tfaced at the Baltimore bars watching the USA v Lobsterbacks that I passed out and never made it to Camden Yards. I made it as far as Pickles. So the entire 4 hour drive home on Sunday I was the butt of every joke.

[littlefallsmets]

Jays cut Edwin Encarnacion...

Even though it kinda doesn't make real sense, any time I see someone cut who can play third, I think about replacing Tatis.

Someone make this tossed-off kind of stupid idea real! It is not as stupid as giving Tatis meaningful at-bats.

[Joe A.]

I could see Cohoon being traded in a deal for a pitcher. If he holds his own over his next 4 or 5 starts I bet he's gone by the deadline.

[Dep]

Dep, I got so sh$tfaced at the Baltimore bars watching the USA v Lobsterbacks that I passed out and never made it to Camden Yards. I made it as far as Pickles. So the entire 4 hour drive home on Sunday I was the butt of every joke.

LOL. too funny. i hung out at pickles a lil bit after saturday's game. it was so damn hot/muggy in the stadium that night, may have been worse than sunday weather-wise.

I never would've been able to meet you for soccer, i watched the game from bed! lol. we were up super duper late friday night/sat morning. we needed recovery time

i tried to PM you the week b4 to get your contact info, but we never connected. 4321 and I tried to meet up but like a dumbass i left my phone in the car on sunday LOL

it took us close to EIGHT hours to get home sunday. i was pretty upset

[Joe A.]

Jays cut Edwin Encarnacion...

Even though it kinda doesn't make real sense, any time I see someone cut who can play third, I think about replacing Tatis.

Someone make this tossed-off kind of stupid idea real! It is not as stupid as giving Tatis meaningful at-bats.

I like Tatis. He's a valuable pinch hitter and role player. But Encarnacion is better and also has some versatility. Last time I noticed, he was having a pretty good season. I wonder what happened to make the Jays cut him.

[Dep]

EE was batting like .200, that may have done it. his OPS was decent tho

[four3two1]

I like Tatis. He's a valuable pinch hitter and role player. But Encarnacion is better and also has some versatility. Last time I noticed, he was having a pretty good season. I wonder what happened to make the Jays cut him.

he is having a pretty good season..i'd totally sign him, pending a full physical of course.

[Dep]

lol


Blue Jays general manager Alex Anthopoulos does not believe Edwin Encarnacion, who was designated for assignment on Monday, will be claimed off waivers.
"With respect to the performance and the salary of the player, I would say it's unlikely," said Anthopoulos. Ouch. Encarnacion, 27, is batting just .200/.298/.467 over 120 at-bats this season, but nobody will question his power potential. Though he's owed $2.7 million for the rest of the season, it might be worth it for someone to take on his salary in hopes of converting him to the outfield.
Source: Jordan Bastian on Twitter

[Ramon Suarez]

:-(


Comment by NickM
2010-06-22 10:15:07

When does it become time to worry about F-Mart’s lack of plate discipline? That’s pretty much what makes or breaks careers… I guess he could still play the age card… for now.


Comment by Toby Hyde
2010-06-22 10:35:43

Oh, it’s time to worry.

[four3two1]

his BA sucks..but OBP is near 300 and slugging .467 and OPS is .765

[Joe A.]

EE was batting like .200, that may have done it. his OPS was decent tho

He hit 6 HRs in May - I think that is what made me think he was having a good year. He really isn't. And he has been horrible in June.

I'm also surprised to see he hasn't played anywhere other than 3b and a couple of innings at 1B. I know there was talk about moving to a corner OF spot last season, I thought he had actually played there some.

Tough to cut a 27 year old guy with decent power. Maybe he's a headcase. And Toronto gave up Rolen to get him - oops.

[four3two1]

Sites down?

Seems to work from the phone tho...

Sent from my Evo 4G using Tapatalk

[CatchDog]

I'm feeling much better CatchDog. Thanks for asking. I've very recently been cleared by 2 different doctors of all sinister stuff. They think it was a virus that attacked my nervous system. I'm almost 100%. So I'm almost back to being my good old annoying self. :)

That's really great to hear.

[Dep]

EE had a 329 wOBA for his time in Toronto, basically right at average, but like you said Joe, driven by a May HR surge likely

[Dep]

Site is fine for me 4321 via my normal work PC

[four3two1]

working once again now..must have been the local network

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Everyone's obsessed with tapatalk. I'll admit it makes mobile viewing 1000 x's better than the mobile site.

[four3two1]

replying, quoting, editing, and refreshing is much easier as well.

[Rave]

The Yanks will claim Encarnacion if he makes it to them.

[Dep]

so can someone break down for me how TapaTalk works?

So you install the app, then do you need to open it every time to surf or its like automatic or what?

break it down! thanks

[Rave]

Hmmm, tapas.......

[four3two1]

so can someone break down for me how TapaTalk works?

So you install the app, then do you need to open it every time to surf or its like automatic or what?

break it down! thanks

i'm not sure what you mean by open it vs automatic?


the way it works for my phone is i tap on the Tapatalk shortcut, and it opens up the app which generally opens to the last forum I was viewing...it displays the latest message on the latest updated threads from all the different Metsgeek sections. You click on the one you want and it goes to that thread. from there you can go about doing normal viewing/posting stuff. It automatically syncs and updates from the metsgeek server or you can manually refresh as well.

[DL]

so we get verlander tonight?

that sounds like fun

anything else new? i've been in and out the last 4-5 days

[CatchDog]

The Phils activated JRoll, and DFA'd Greg Dobbs.

They also placed catcher Ruiz on the 15 day DL with a cracked noggin.

Looks like Schneido is the go-to-guy behind the dish.

[DL]

wow philly is gonna take this division right back now

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

The Phils activated JRoll, and DFA'd Greg Dobbs.

They also placed catcher Ruiz on the 15 day DL with a cracked noggin.

Looks like Schneido is the go-to-guy behind the dish.

Cracked noggin meaning skull fracture? That should take a lot longer to heal than a 15 day DL stint.

[Bob A. Booey]

i got a case of the tuesdays ,,,

[Peter H]

Tonight's lineup:


Mets on Tuesday: Reyes-SS, Pagan-CF, Wright-3B, Davis-1B, Bay-LF, Barajas-C, Francoeur-RF, Tejada-2B, Niese-P

[CatchDog]

Cracked noggin meaning skull fracture? That should take a lot longer to heal than a 15 day DL stint.

The info I got was head injury as a result of getting hit with a bat.

Personally, I kinda like the cracked noggin phrase. I guess his brain bucket was not doing it's job.

Somebody on beerleaguer posted that Ruiz said he heard the Liberty Bell ring when he got bopped. That's classic.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

The info I got was head injury as a result of getting hit with a bat.

Personally, I kinda like the cracked noggin phrase. I guess his brain bucket was not doing it's job.

Somebody on beerleaguer posted that Ruiz said he heard the Liberty Bell ring when he got bopped. That's classic.

Did he get cracked in the head from the Twins teeing off on the Phillies bullpen on Saturday?

[Bob A. Booey]

so catch i never heard how did yr kids team do ??

[Dep]

i'm not sure what you mean by open it vs automatic?


the way it works for my phone is i tap on the Tapatalk shortcut, and it opens up the app which generally opens to the last forum I was viewing...it displays the latest message on the latest updated threads from all the different Metsgeek sections. You click on the one you want and it goes to that thread. from there you can go about doing normal viewing/posting stuff. It automatically syncs and updates from the metsgeek server or you can manually refresh as well.

aight, that's helpful.

thank you

[Dep]

Mejia Down, Parnell Up

that's about it DL

[Dave Magadan]

My ex was reading a post earlier that was talking Jenrrys stint in bingo and said Jenrry Mejia is an alcoholic!hahaha Just thought id share...

[CatchDog]

Did he get cracked in the head from the Twins teeing off on the Phillies bullpen on Saturday?

Sweet! Actually; Ruiz was hit by a piece of Jason Kubel's broken bat in the eighth inning of Friday's game.

Now he's Dazed & Unused.

[DL]

this team's so damn streaky

4-8
10-1
6-14
19-5
0-2 (hopefully this turns around?)

can we work out these alternating hot/cold streaks so we have a scorching sept/oct?

[DL]

lol @ france btw

LOOOOOOOOOL

[Bob A. Booey]

lol @ france btw

LOOOOOOOOOL you a scorpio dl ???? if so the france coach doesnt trustyou !!! :)

[Dep]

oh wow, DW has almost caught Polanco for 3B

[Dave Magadan]

oh wow, DW has almost caught Polanco for 3B

time to vote!!!!

[Bob A. Booey]

whats shaking dep ???

[DL]

dw sucks again. gonna have to wait a couple weeks for good dw to return

[Bob A. Booey]

dw sucks again. gonna have to wait a couple weeks for good dw to return hes providing free a/c again ,, :)

[CatchDog]

so catch i never heard how did yr kids team do ??

We won the Father's Day Tourney. Kids did really well.

Played last night down in Lauderdale and got beat. My son held the other team to 1 run on 3 hits in 4 innings. I was out of pitching cause we played 6 games in three days not counting last night's game. Used a kid that really hasn't thrown for us and he walked 7 in the last two frames and gave up a couple good hits. No biggie.

As I told the kids, we beat some really good teams last week to win a huge tourney. It was worth it. We're now playing in the Districts and if we advance, we go on to States. I knew last night was going to be tough, especially since we had to travel an hour, play at 8:30pm and the kids were still gassed from the weekend.

We play tomorrow night, then Thursday or Friday (depending on where we're seeded). Then it's a bunch of games this weekend.

Thanks for asking :-)

[Joe A.]

oh wow, DW has almost caught Polanco for 3B

And Rollins has almost caught Hanley!

[DL]

korea-nigeria is a sick game

[Ramon Suarez]

Omar is on SNY addressing the Beltran situation!

[Bob A. Booey]

We won the Father's Day Tourney. Kids did really well.

Played last night down in Lauderdale and got beat. My son held the other team to 1 run on 3 hits in 4 innings. I was out of pitching cause we played 6 games in three days not counting last night's game. Used a kid that really hasn't thrown for us and he walked 7 in the last two frames and gave up a couple good hits. No biggie.

As I told the kids, we beat some really good teams last week to win a huge tourney. It was worth it. We're now playing in the Districts and if we advance, we go on to States. I knew last night was going to be tough, especially since we had to travel an hour, play at 8:30pm and the kids were still gassed from the weekend.

We play tomorrow night, then Thursday or Friday (depending on where we're seeded). Then it's a bunch of games this weekend.

Thanks for asking :-) thats awesome man ,,, must be friggin boiling ,, i would die,, but those lilk bastids run all day i guesss,,,,

[Dave Magadan]

Tron is back bitches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dave Magadan]

Plays in PSL thursday

[Ramon Suarez]

Tron is back bitches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Word.

[Dave Magadan]

Tron to come back in CF. Less than the normal 3-4 weeks cause hes been in simulated games.

[Dave Magadan]

TRron wants to play in San Juan Omar says no.

[Dep]

Tron playing in rehab games starting thursday

start the clock

[Tim]

Tron is back bitches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and fat too.

[Ramon Suarez]

TRron wants to play in San Juan Omar says no.

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Why is Omar hating?

[littlefallsmets]

Schneider will figure out how to keep the Phillies down.

I don't care if HENRY Rollins is their shortstop, if Schneider is going to be a significant part of the team for a stretch of time, they will suck for that stretch of time.

[DL]

RIP angel pagan :(

[Dave Magadan]

20 days rehab assignment. Pagan up to Jerry how he uses him. D'oh!

[Ramon Suarez]

and fat too.

Not everyone can keep slim taking HGH and steroids like Albert does. Some people want to avoid going bald by the age of 32.

[Ramon Suarez]

RIP angel pagan :(

More like RIP Jeff Franceour.

:-)

[CatchDog]

thats awesome man ,,, must be friggin boiling ,, i would die,, but those lilk bastids run all day i guesss,,,,

It gets melt-the-ear-wax-outta-your-head warm. Lots of hydration. 2 waters to every gatorade. Lots of fresh fruit; kiwi, papaya, blueberrys and bananas. I'm BIG on the fresh fruit for them squids.

[four3two1]

Puerto rican geeks...i'm planning a trip to san juan. Give me recomendations on stuff to do.

[Dave Magadan]

Latest ETA first week after AS break. Barring no setbacks.

[Ramon Suarez]

Puerto rican geeks...i'm planning a trip to san juan. Give me recomendations on stuff to do.

what r u into?

[Dave Magadan]

Reyes
Pagan
Wright
Bay
Tron
Ike
Barajas
Tejada

Niceeeeee

[four3two1]

More like RIP Jeff Franceour.

:-)

RIP fake Jesus...Pagan/Frenchy platoon...with pagan filling in for Beltran to gives him rest.

[Ramon Suarez]

Reyes
Pagan
Wright
Bay
Tron
Ike
Barajas
Tejada

Niceeeeee

No way Bay hits cleanup. Ugh.

[Dave Magadan]

maine to go for 2nd opinion on shoulder.

[Ramon Suarez]

RIP fake Jesus...Pagan/Frenchy platoon...with pagan filling in for Beltran to gives him rest.

Word.

[CatchDog]

Puerto rican geeks...i'm planning a trip to san juan. Give me recomendations on stuff to do.

Stop and get the pork rinds from the dude on the side of the road from the airport.

[Dave Magadan]

That means hopefully by late August we can expect some production out of Carlos.lol

[four3two1]

what r u into?

I'm going to be there for a week, so hopefully i can do lot of different things. along with the usual nightlife stuff that a couple of 23 year old normal heterosexual guys enjoy

[Dave Magadan]

No way Bay hits cleanup. Ugh.

Flip Ike and bay?

[Tim]

what r u into?

fat puerto ricans

[Ramon Suarez]

I'm going to be there for a week, so hopefully i can do lot of different things. along with the usual nightlife stuff that a couple of 23 year old normal heterosexual guys enjoys

R U staying just in the San Juan area or what?

[Dave Magadan]

I'm going to be there for a week, so hopefully i can do lot of different things. along with the usual nightlife stuff that a couple of 23 year old normal heterosexual guys enjoys

Old San Juan was fun for me. The resorts were cool as well. Beaches have good bars and nice eye candy. Jetskiing was fairly cheap 50 bucks I believe per hr. The hookers...i mean sightseeing is also fun as well!;)

[CatchDog]

Latest ETA first week after AS break. Barring no setbacks.

The longest roadtrip of the season begins right after the AS break. 11 games out west; 4 at SF, 3 at Zona and 4 at the Doyers.

Great time to get Tron rolling.

[four3two1]

Old San Juan was fun for me. The resorts were cool as well. Beaches have good bars and nice eye candy. Jetskiing was fairly cheap 50 bucks I believe per hr. The hookers...i mean sightseeing is also fun as well!;)

haha...good too know. i'll bring the cash....for the jetskiing =D

[Dave Magadan]

R U staying just in the San Juan area or what?

I forgot the restaurant but if you go out to eat and they have Flan de guayaba. GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ramon Suarez]

Flip Ike and bay?

You could do that.

Or flip Tron and Bay

Or put Tron in the 2 hole and make Angel the #6 hitter...but I don't like this plan so much because Angel rocks at the top of the order.

[four3two1]

R U staying just in the San Juan area or what?

most likely. unless its easy/not too expensive to rent a car and do like a day trip somewhere. nothing overnight.

[four3two1]

I forgot the restaurant but if you go out to eat and they have Flan de guayaba. GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

i'm vegetarian so i'm not sure if i'll be getting that lol

[Dave Magadan]

haha...good too know. i'll bring the cash....for the jetskiing =D

HAHAHAHA Seriously though. Lots of fun places to go. A lot of the locals go to Old San Juan. I tried to stay away from the tourist areas but there were many places to go. After hour parties(kinda shady but arent they all?). Damn thinking bout the food over there is makin' me huuungry.

[Ramon Suarez]

Old San Juan was fun for me. The resorts were cool as well. Beaches have good bars and nice eye candy. Jetskiing was fairly cheap 50 bucks I believe per hr. The hookers...i mean sightseeing is also fun as well!;)


You may want to do a tour of the island. Rent a vehicle and go on Route 2 to the Western beaches of Rincon.

Ponce is a nice place to visit also...

[Dave Magadan]

i'm vegetarian so i'm not sure if i'll be getting that lol

its a dessert. Not sure if that falls in with a vegeterian diet but it was the best dessert I've ever eaten.

[Ramon Suarez]

i'm vegetarian so i'm not sure if i'll be getting that lol

Flan de guayaba is just a caramel custard with some guayaba fruit.Order the Mofongo without meat. Its a mashed plantain dish that is like the mashed potato dish of the island.

[four3two1]

You could do that.

Or flip Tron and Bay

Or put Tron in the 2 hole and make Angel the #6 hitter...but I don't like this plan so much because Angel rocks at the top of the order.

beltran coming back is so 100% going to cut into pagans playing time it isn't even funny. you might as well put beltran 2nd, cuz pagans gonna be on the bench. if i knew for a fact that Beltran would come back and beast it...i'd be tempted to see if we could trade pagan for a pitcher.

[Ramon Suarez]

most likely. unless its easy/not too expensive to rent a car and do like a day trip somewhere. nothing overnight.

U could go anywhere and visit in less than 3 hours.

[Dave Magadan]

Hey any one know whats the deal w/ the Cory Vaughn kid? 4th round pick just saw him in the BK game on SNY. Got to catch some Cyclone games this year.

[Ramon Suarez]

beltran coming back is so 100% going to cut into pagans playing time it isn't even funny. you might as well put beltran 2nd, cuz pagans gonna be on the bench. if i knew for a fact that Beltran would come back and beast it...i'd be tempted to see if we could trade pagan for a pitcher.

Pagan is so awesome in every facet of the game. It would be a problem trading him now when Tron's GG days in CF are probably behind him.

[Tim]

Puerto rican geeks...i'm planning a trip to san juan. Give me recomendations on stuff to do.

Get the sangria at el convento....it's pricey but good.

[CatchDog]

Pagan will be our center fielder in 2012.

[Dep]

Son of Greg Vaughn
Massive power
Decent glove/OF
needs to make contact and not have a massive K-rate to survive as a prospect

[Dep]

Pagan will be our center fielder in 2012.

i've had him penciled in for a while!

[Peter H]

beltran coming back is so 100% going to cut into pagans playing time it isn't even funny. you might as well put beltran 2nd, cuz pagans gonna be on the bench. if i knew for a fact that Beltran would come back and beast it...i'd be tempted to see if we could trade pagan for a pitcher.

My guess is we'll see a Pagan/Frenchy platoon, with Pagan sometimes spelling Beltran in CF to give him some rest.

[Bob A. Booey]

Stop and get the pork rinds from the dude on the side of the road from the airport. go down to fajardo vieques ,, a beatiful day trip ,,, oh and hoit the casinos in san juan if you want to go try to win soime cash ,,,,,

[Dave Magadan]

beltran coming back is so 100% going to cut into pagans playing time it isn't even funny. you might as well put beltran 2nd, cuz pagans gonna be on the bench. if i knew for a fact that Beltran would come back and beast it...i'd be tempted to see if we could trade pagan for a pitcher.

Only thing is "if" Beltran suffers setbacks and we trade Angel we become screwed cause F! has been underwhelming and J Feliciano full time wont cut it. But maybe in the off-season pending Beltrans return fully complete and F! picking it up some the rest of the way.

[Dave Magadan]

Son of Greg Vaughn
Massive power
Decent glove/OF
needs to make contact and not have a massive K-rate to survive as a prospect

Nice hope he works that out.

[DL]

we need to sign that goeddel kid from ucla

[Dave Magadan]

OF 2012: Bay, Pagan, Kirk? Maybeeee

[Bob A. Booey]

GOTTA LOVE NYC ,,,A TRANSFORMER JUST WENT BELOW MY BUILDING ,, @^@%^@%^32

Please be advised that there is a transformer fire under subway grates on 51st between Lex and Third Avenues. Con Edison and Building Management have advised that there is no impact to the building, at this time. If anything changes, we will communicate.

Please keep your respective teams updated.

[CatchDog]

i've had him penciled in for a while!

Dawgs think alike ;-)

[Dave Magadan]

Shit we really are a decent starter away from making a run. Not saying we couldnt now but...even a Millwood eating innings wouldnt hurt. Just dont want it to cost too much.

[four3two1]

Only thing is "if" Beltran suffers setbacks and we trade Angel we become screwed cause F! has been underwhelming and J Feliciano full time wont cut it. But maybe in the off-season pending Beltrans return fully complete and F! picking it up some the rest of the way.

yeah...thats why i'm tempted but not quite ready to pull the trigger yet.

[Athena]

My guess is we'll see a Pagan/Frenchy platoon, with Pagan sometimes spelling Beltran in CF to give him some rest.

Yes. This seems most likely to me.

[Ramon Suarez]

go down to fajardo vieques ,, a beatiful day trip ,,, oh and hoit the casinos in san juan if you want to go try to win soime cash ,,,,,


U should also consider heading to Culebra. Its beautiful.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Take a night kayak tour to the bio-luminescent bay.

[Ramon Suarez]

Shit we really are a decent starter away from making a run. Not saying we couldnt now but...even a Millwood eating innings wouldnt hurt. Just dont want it to cost too much.

Am I the only dude who likes our staff the way it is now?

Why change it when its been so good?

And why would Pelf and Johan lobby for that change when they have been among its weakest links as of late?

I want bullpen help.

[Bob A. Booey]

U should also consider heading to Culebra. Its beautiful. they have a cool baseball bar lupis or soemthing like that ,,,, near the hotel zone ,,, right near a cock fight coliuseum ,,, old san jaun is suppposed to be great but i didnt get a chance to do that ,,,,,

[Peter H]

Vieques is awesome.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Am I the only dude who likes our staff the way it is now?

Why change it when its been so good?

And why would Pelf and Johan lobby for that change when they have been among its weakest links as of late?

I want bullpen help.

There's a certain amount of risk involved with the Taka, Dickey or Niese. Well there's a certain amount of risk involved with any pitcher, but having another starter and being able to slot Taka back to the pen if needed isn't the worst thing.

[four3two1]

Am I the only dude who likes our staff the way it is now?

Why change it when its been so good?

And why would Pelf and Johan lobby for that change when they have been among its weakest links as of late?

I want bullpen help.

if we can get bullpen help and become a shutdown relief pitching team..we coud make do with our starters...barring no major regression from Pelf or further decay of Santana.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

they have a cool baseball bar lupis or soemthing like that ,,,, near the hotel zone ,,, right near a cock fight coliuseum ,,, old san jaun is suppposed to be great but i didnt get a chance to do that ,,,,,

Booey was too busy winning $ at the casinos.

[Dave Magadan]

There's a certain amount of risk involved with the Taka, Dickey or Niese. Well there's a certain amount of risk involved with any pitcher, but having another starter and being able to slot Taka back to the pen if needed isn't the worst thing.

Agree. I'm not saying we need Lee. But if we were going into a playoff im not saying Niese wouldnt be a good option as your 3 guy. But I would much rather have him as the 4th. You never know what can happen w/ Taka and Dickey. If its not going to cost much its worth looking into.

[Peter H]

Am I the only dude who likes our staff the way it is now?

Why change it when its been so good?

And why would Pelf and Johan lobby for that change when they have been among its weakest links as of late?

I want bullpen help.

Getting bullpen help is very, very expensive - we had to pass on trading for bullpen help in 2007 & 2008 because the price in prospects was too high. OTOH, if we get a starter like Milwood or Westbrook, we could move one on our starters to the pen & add depth that way.

Also, I'm not convinced that Taka2 will sustain his success as a starter -the more he's exposed, the more opposing teams are going to figure out his delivery.

[Dave Magadan]

Am I the only dude who likes our staff the way it is now?

Why change it when its been so good?

And why would Pelf and Johan lobby for that change when they have been among its weakest links as of late?

I want bullpen help.

As much as I loved Taka in the starting rotation he would totally bolster the pen. Also I could see them if we are in the playoff hunt in sept. calling up Mejia for some pen help as well.

[Dave Magadan]

Whats the deal w/ Igarashi? Is he still hurt? Dude was lights out b4 his injury. That would be deadly with Rod,him and Dos. With help coming from Elmer.

[Dep]

Dawgs think alike ;-)

:)

heyyyy 51st/lex is my subway station. dont fuck me!

[Dep]

Iggy actually had a decent appearance against the skanks i believe

he just needs his confidence back, and another pitch vs righties

[Dep]

Misch should be the next guy up

he can help the pen

[Bob A. Booey]

Booey was too busy winning $ at the casinos. gotta pay for my bodyguards and pit bulls in the hood !!! :)

[Dave Magadan]

Misch should be the next guy up

he can help the pen

I like Misch. Owens had a nice k rate but got lit up last night. INTERNAL OPTIONS FTW!~!!!!!

[Dep]

Misch n Parnell are the guys that are ready. one is up, the other will be at some point.

[four3two1]

thanks for the info guys. i iz calling it a day. see ya'll on the game thread later.

[Dave Magadan]

thanks for the info guys. i iz calling it a day. see ya'll on the game thread later.

Later 4321

[Dave Magadan]

I hate going to the gym...uggh

[Ramon Suarez]

Getting bullpen help is very, very expensive - we had to pass on trading for bullpen help in 2007 & 2008 because the price in prospects was too high. OTOH, if we get a starter like Milwood or Westbrook, we could move one on our starters to the pen & add depth that way.

Also, I'm not convinced that Taka2 will sustain his success as a starter -the more he's exposed, the more opposing teams are going to figure out his delivery.

Milwood and Westbrook are not very good IMO. They would be as likely to tax the pen as anything else.

[C Low's Doppelganger]

My guess is we'll see a Pagan/Frenchy platoon, with Pagan sometimes spelling Beltran in CF to give him some rest.

When Tron returns what happens to Fernando Heep?

[Ramon Suarez]

Whats the deal w/ Igarashi? Is he still hurt? Dude was lights out b4 his injury. That would be deadly with Rod,him and Dos. With help coming from Elmer.

I dont get the idea that he was so good before he hurt his hamstring. Igarashi's peripherals werent that good even before the injury. He was due to regress and has.

[Dave Magadan]

Jon Garland would be nice right about now.lol

[Dave Magadan]

I dont get the idea that he was so good before he hurt his hamstring. Igarashi's peripherals werent that good even before the injury. He was due to regress and has.

From what I saw he was improving and was challenging hitters towards right about the time he got hurt. I remember he had a tough time in the beginning but seemed he was turning a corner and becoming a solid 8th inning option.

[Dep]

iggy's control problems are real

and he has issues vs righties

he's not all that IMO, but can be a useful pen piece

[Bob A. Booey]

iggy's control problems are real

and he has issues vs righties

he's not all that IMO, but can be a useful pen piece he gives taka someone to go out and hang with on the road ,,,,

[Dave Magadan]

hahahaha booey thats hilarious

[Dave Magadan]

Takas too busy on skype for Iggy maybe thats what it is...

[DL]

nets might take cousins. does prokhorov have some russians who can help keep him in line?

[Peter H]

Milwood and Westbrook are not very good IMO. They would be as likely to tax the pen as anything else.

If you look at Milwood's peripherals, he's really not having that bad a year. What's killing him is the HR ball. He'd get a huge boost from pitching in Citi.

See this Fangraphs piece:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/millwood-the-new-pavano

[Dep]

nets might take cousins. does prokhorov have some russians who can help keep him in line?

haha, i heard Favors absolutely BOMBED his workout, and he's bombed more than one.

rumors rod thorn is retiring after the FA chase this season - FUCK FUCK FUCK

[Joe A.]

haha, i heard Favors absolutely BOMBED his workout, and he's bombed more than one.

rumors rod thorn is retiring after the FA chase this season - FUCK FUCK FUCK

THey really need to figure out a way to trade up 1 spot to grab Turner. Then they can sign David Lee and have a pretty good starting lineup.

[Ramon Suarez]

iggy's control problems are real

and he has issues vs righties

he's not all that IMO, but can be a useful pen piece


The fucked up part about this is that Jerry can't even be counted to use him in a manner which would maximize his talent for retiring LH hitters. He will predominantly throw Igarashi out against RHs so his suckitude is increased due to his manager's incompetence.

[DL]

cousins is the better player though...

knicks are interested in my boy vasquez. not so sure i like that. i don't wanna come to eventually hate one of my favorite college players ever

[Dep]

THey really need to figure out a way to trade up 1 spot to grab Turner. Then they can sign David Lee and have a pretty good starting lineup.

rumors are more of them trading down then up

we shall see. ya Turner would be nice, but i dont think its going to happen

Sixers already have a web page that shows him drafted that they accidentally loaded as their team home page the other day - LOL

[Ramon Suarez]

Everyone hear?

Lebron is leaning towards moving to NYC.

When he a Bosh come to town, we'll be so supreme.

[Dep]

cousins is the better player though...

knicks are interested in my boy vasquez. not so sure i like that. i don't wanna come to eventually hate one of my favorite college players ever

hahahaha

lots of rumors Bron really is coming.

i'll really hate the knicks then. i hope he only signs a 2-3 yr deal tho! lol

[Dep]

The fucked up part about this is that Jerry can't even be counted to use him in a manner which would maximize his talent for retiring LH hitters. He will predominantly throw Igarashi out against RHs so his suckitude is increased due to his manager's incompetence.

yarp

[four3two1]

haha, i heard Favors absolutely BOMBED his workout, and he's bombed more than one.

rumors rod thorn is retiring after the FA chase this season - FUCK FUCK FUCK

Heard favors is a project but has more upside than even wall

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[Dep]

nets see cousins as "misunderstood" - that's what i read lol

[Dep]

Heard favors is a project but has more upside than even wall

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yup, he's mad mad young

but showing up to workouts not in shape and your head not into it is not good

[Dave Magadan]

hahahaha

lots of rumors Bron really is coming.

i'll really hate the knicks then. i hope he only signs a 2-3 yr deal tho! lol

I want him on the Nets...I would make BAAAAANK at my bar next year. Plus we may get all access passes for the games if we cater the food.

[DL]

lol bron is not coming. i refuse to believe it until it happens

bosh will be in nyc. woot 40-42 seasons!

[Dave Magadan]

My boss got season tix next year about 4 rows up from the bench. That would be amazing. I'm still going to half the home games regardless.

[Dep]

I want him on the Nets...I would make BAAAAANK at my bar next year. Plus we may get all access passes for the games if we cater the food.

it may happen, just not for 3 years!

[Ramon Suarez]

lol bron is not coming. i refuse to believe it until it happens

bosh will be in nyc. woot 40-42 seasons!

Lebron will be a Knick. So it is written, so it shall come to pass.

[Dave Magadan]

I'd be happy with a Stoudemire pick up for the nets. Heard a rumor about Chris Paul to the Nets too

[Ramon Suarez]

it may happen, just not for 3 years!

LOL. No one wants to go to the Nets.

[Dave Magadan]

it may happen, just not for 3 years!

Noooo they leave Newark in two.lol

[Dep]

lol bron is not coming. i refuse to believe it until it happens

bosh will be in nyc. woot 40-42 seasons!

haha, i dont know. i'm hearing lots of stuff that shows real interest on his part

and if there's real interest, its going to happen

[Joe A.]

Milwood and Westbrook are not very good IMO. They would be as likely to tax the pen as anything else.

They can both give you the same 6 IP per start that you're getting from Taka. And putting Taka in the pen in place of Valdes means you're taxing the rest of the pen less. Neither is likely to match the performance we've gotten from Taka so far, but how likely is it that Taka keeps up this pace anyway?

I don't know if Millwood or Westrook is the right choice, but I would rather get a guy like that cheap and also add an 8th inning guy than spend our prospects and money on a top of the rotation starter. (Of course, first choice is getting a top of the rotation guy cheap, and I'm not giving up on that idea yet)

[Ramon Suarez]

I'd be happy with a Stoudemire pick up for the nets. Heard a rumor about Chris Paul to the Nets too

Hornets said they aren't trading Paul no matter what. Just saw it on ESPN. Too bad, I wanted the Knicks to get in on that.

[Dep]

LOL. No one wants to go to the Nets.

not yet, times will be a'chaning. doubters will see!

Havens will be fulltime 2B for the NYmets and the nets will be a hot team. U'll-C!

[Dave Magadan]

heres the blurb:

According to a report I read in the New York Daily News, the New Jersey Nets offered the New Orleans Hornets Devin Harris and the number 3 pick in Thursday's NBA Draft for superstar PG Chris Paul.