General Discussion Thread - 01/14/2010

[Lunkwill Fook]

And continue. As a reminder, if you find some news worthy post, please think about making it a separate posting so others can see it. Thanks!

[DL]

repost in case it gets buried in yday's thread or photobucketfucked

[Ed in Westchester]

We're screwed.
With a syphillitic penis.

[Ed in Westchester]

I'm watching a reair of Sportsnight on SNY.
Burkhardt just said he heard Beltran had surgery on his own, basically behind the Mets back.

Oh boy.

[lucienlc]

I'm watching a reair of Sportsnight on SNY.
Burkhardt just said he heard Beltran had surgery on his own, basically behind the Mets back.

Oh boy.

Well, there were all those rumors near the end of last season that Beltran was pissed off at the Mets doctors because they told him it was okay to play with that bone bruise -- that he wouldn't injure himself further -- and then the knee got much worse. So I can understand him not trusting anything they told him when the pain came back.

Otoh, given the degenerative nature of his problem, I'm not sure anything is going to help. We're screwed, basically.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

So Beltran will miss ST?

[lucienlc]

So Beltran will miss ST?

Yup. And possibly the whole month of April as well.

And if you listen to certain people, maybe the whole season. Of course, that's because we have so much faith in the Mets' medical staff. Who apparently didn't think Beltran needed the surgery -- they thought he should just rehab it with treatment. Yeah. Right. Because we all know how well that worked out for everyone last season.

If we left it to the Mets medical staff, we'd probably be in mid-April or May when they decided that Beltran needed surgery -- and he would miss the whole season.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

I really wish that sometimes my dad didn't let me stay up late for a few nights in October when I was 6.

[lucienlc]

Pelfrey on WFAN. Can't believe those idjits are playing their mocking songs about him for him. At least I think they did. I turned off the radio at that point.

Now they're actually talking about baseball. What a concept.

[Danny]

I actually laughed at the Beltran news when it was passed along to me. It's so sad it's almost funny. Call it a coping mechanism.

And then I turned to my other coping mechanism, the green bottle(s)! My head hurts this morning.

[lucienlc]

Mets are a train wreck. Just unbelievable how they can eff everything up.

[sheadenizen]

I was hoping I would wake up today and the Beltran news would have been just a bad dream.......but alas, as with all things Mets, another incident to make them look like morons.
I don't believe he'll be back before July 1. Seriously. 12 weeks until he can BEGIN baseball activities is the story I heard. We all know how that goes with the Mets. I'm still waiting for Delgado's return!

[lucienlc]

I was hoping I would wake up today and the Beltran news would have been just a bad dream.......but alas, as with all things Mets, another incident to make them look like morons.
I don't believe he'll be back before July 1. Seriously. 12 weeks until he can BEGIN baseball activities is the story I heard. We all know how that goes with the Mets. I'm still waiting for Delgado's return!

It might be 8 weeks, best case scenario -- not that the Mets ever get one of those.

We still don't know if it's a simple scope job or microfracture -- the rumors are rampant over that.

But personally, I don't blame Beltran for doing it. Those wonderful Mets doctors told him to play last year on his bruised knee, and we all know how well that turned out. So when he started having pain in his workouts, and the Mets medical staff told him *it'll be okay, just do heat treatments and exercises and you'll be fine*, I can forgive the guy for not believing them. In fact, that part sounds just like last year. That's what they said about everyone -- and nobody was fine. As I said above -- if he'd gone along with the Mets' doctors, he'd probably fight through pain through all of Spring Training, and then, about a month into the season, they'd decide it wasn't working and THEN send him for surgery. At least this way, there's some hope we'll have him healthy for most of the season, unless the knee is in really bad shape.

[Danny]

We have no reason to be optimistic about any rehabilitation thresholds that are bandied about publicly by the Mets. We're never right and it's the process of getting our hopes up for returns that never happen or are incredibly delayed that lead to all of the consternation among the masses here. All we are left to do is really hope that Pagan plays well in Beltran's absence, which he has the potential to do.

[Danny]

And with reading the article on ESPN.com, it's pretty clear that the Mets were not included in this decision to any great extent, to be kind. We're a joke. Again.

[sheadenizen]

We have no reason to be optimistic about any rehabilitation thresholds that are bandied about publicly by the Mets. We're never right and it's the process of getting our hopes up for returns that never happen or are incredibly delayed that lead to all of the consternation among the masses here. All we are left to do is really hope that Pagan plays well in Beltran's absence, which he has the potential to do.

Absolutely, Danny. The Mets have proven to be totally untrustworthy. Why would I believe a word they say?

I don't blame Beltran, Luci!

[Daddyzander]

it will be ok, we will replace beltrans bat in the lineup with bengie molina...it will all be ok

this message has been sponsered by the orange and blue kool-aid corporation

[Lunkwill Fook]

Molina is used to batting cleanup anyway. Perfect scenario.

[Chris in Ga]

The only good news is the 8 to 12 week estimate came from the world reknown dr who performed the surgery and not Dr dorian at sacred heart, aka the mets staff who rely on a tv dr to diagnose for em

[Chris in Ga]

Boras made los get this surgery as a bargaining chip to get the Mets involved with Boras client Rick Ankiel. Boras is genius

[Lunkwill Fook]

Boras made los get this surgery as a bargaining chip to get the Mets involved with Boras client Rick Ankiel. Boras is genius

You know, it's a joke but I'd be tempted at this point to pick up Ankiel as insurance for Beltran.

[sheadenizen]

Chris, I don't care who the prognosis came from. It's the Mets. Murphy's law always applies. ( not Daniel's)

[Lunkwill Fook]

And then, of course, if and when Beltran came back, Ankiel could split time in right with Frenchy.

[Joe A.]

You know, it's a joke but I'd be tempted at this point to pick up Ankiel as insurance for Beltran.

That's actually not a bad idea. I'd give Pagan the first shot to replace him CF, but Ankiel would be worth taking a chance on. Beltran was also the only LH bat we had in the middel of the order.

[Lunkwill Fook]

That's actually not a bad idea. I'd give Pagan the first shot to replace him CF, but Ankiel would be worth taking a chance on. Beltran was also the only LH bat we had in the middel of the order.

Yep. Not the same kind of glove out there but he's a better chance to replace Beltran's offensive production than Pagan and that allows Pagan to return to the super utility outfielder role that makes him more valuable.

[Ramon Suarez]

I am dillusional, but I maintain hope that Beltran will be back in time.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Are you, in fact, dillusional?

[Chris in Ga]

It was a joke but ankiel is the type of guy we could use. Pssst on the whole bring back Endy stuff being a priority now. Cool as school with bringing back endy with Ankiel.

[sheadenizen]

I am dillusional, but I maintain hope that Beltran will be back in time.

In time for what? July? August? 2011?

[Ramon Suarez]

Are you, in fact, dillusional?

Maybe, but here's the problem. If I am dillusional how can I not be certain I'm dillusional about being dillusional?

[Ramon Suarez]

In time for what? July? August? 2011?

Around 12 weeks or more

[Lunkwill Fook]

Maybe, but here's the problem. If I am dillusional how can I not be certain I'm dillusional about being dillusional?

I dunno but I'm just taunting you about your horrid spelling.

[Ramon Suarez]

Whatever. Its just too soon to be depressed about 10'. Its a very, very long regular season and I won't get down about things before the fucking season even begins. I can't do it or else I might as well watch something else.

[Rave]

Pelfrey on WFAN. Can't believe those idjits are playing their mocking songs about him for him. At least I think they did. I turned off the radio at that point.

Now they're actually talking about baseball. What a concept.

I may have lost a few brain cells since I turned on the radio this morning, but I gotta admit, hearing Big Pelf belting “Living on a Prayer” was hilarious.

[Rave]

So what's the over under on Beltran's return? Memorial Day? All star break?

[Ramon Suarez]

I dunno but I'm just taunting you about your horrid spelling.

Hahahahaha. Funny. Like I taunt you about your horrid hockey team.

[Dep]

anyone else on the team die b4 this morning?

[Lunkwill Fook]

Hahahahaha. Funny. Like I taunt you about your horrid hockey team.

hahah Yeah, just like that, ass! ;)

[sheadenizen]

Rave, I think I took July 15th in the "Beltran's return" pool last night.

[Chris in Ga]

Anderson Heranadez as a cf? i'm waiting for the article

[Lunkwill Fook]

Wow. Did anyone notice that Angel Pagan was a 2.8 WAR last season? That's right, he was worth as much as our new left fielder.

I really think fielding is over valued in WAR.

[Lunkwill Fook]

I hear in Port-au-Prince in Haiti, they've finally reestablished an air traffic control center using the cockpit of a C-130. That's just crazy.

[Chris in Ga]

I'm optimistic. This is the only injurt that wasnt addressed by surgery coming into the new year. Frenchy can put us on his shoulders for a month.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Oh shit!


"Dexter" star Michael C. Hall is undergoing treatment for cancer and the disease is in remission, a spokesman said.

[Dep]

Bay did outhit him by a lot, i guess they like CFs!

[Chris in Ga]

I brought the Pagan war up on fugees when people were raging on him.

[Ramon Suarez]

hahah Yeah, just like that, ass! ;)



Yes, Rene. Give me your rage....

[Lunkwill Fook]

134 OPS+ vs 121 OPS+. Regardless, Pagan is not a good bet to repeat as his BABIP was about 30 points above his career norms.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Yes, Rene. Give me your rage....

Yeah, it's a shame that guy wearing the #14 jersey couldn't score. Is that why you signed him?

[Ramon Suarez]

The situation in Haiti since its emancipation is just tragic even by world historical standards of injustice. There were two grad students in my department who made the trip to Port au Prince on Monday for their feild research. No one has heard from them since.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Yeah, see Deppers, it's comparisons like that that make me feel like too much fielding is accounted. I could be wrong but that's what my GUT tells me.

[Lunkwill Fook]

The best part about this, Ramon, is that Limbaugh immediately used this to score political points.

[Dep]

Yeah, see Deppers, it's comparisons like that that make me feel like too much fielding is accounted. I could be wrong but that's what my GUT tells me.

i dont know...i mean the positional adjustments are based on some kind of historical data and runs saved are worth as much as runs scored!

i dont know, i'd need to read more on it

[Dep]

I gotta run for a bit...kinda a busy morning, lunk text me if needed

[Ramon Suarez]

Yeah, it's a shame that guy wearing the #14 jersey couldn't score. Is that why you signed him?

Don't change the subject. The photo was a tribute to the greatness of the greatest goalie of his generation.

[sheadenizen]

Wow Ramon. That's awful. The situation is beyond tragic on any and every level.

[Ramon Suarez]

The best part about this, Ramon, is that Limbaugh immediately used this to score political points.

What did that fool say this time?

[Lunkwill Fook]

Hasek played for the Devils?

[Lunkwill Fook]

Limbaugh bemoaned how the Obama administration will use this as an opportunity to get more black voters.

[Ramon Suarez]

Its pretty freaky. As we all know, the airport there was totally leveled.

I remember how excited and nervous I was to start my research experience in PR. To imagine experiecing the kind of natural disaster they did upon landing is too frightening for words.

[Joe A.]

According to Pat Robertson, everything bad that has happened to Haiti is the result of a pact Haitians made with the devil in exchange for helping them to win their independence from France.

Sounds reasonable

[Ramon Suarez]

Hasek is a bit older than Brodeur. He peeked at a latter age though so....

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Hasek played for the Devils?

Or was that Patrick Roy? You never know, Shanny played against a lot of good goalies throughout his career.

[Joe A.]

Limbaugh bemoaned how the Obama administration will use this as an opportunity to get more black voters.

Because they're having a problem with support from black voters?

[Ramon Suarez]

According to Pat Robertson, everything bad that has happened to Haiti is the result of a pact Haitians made with the devil in exchange for helping them to win their independence from France.

Sounds reasonable

Is he serious? That is the most ignorant and racist thing I have read in a long time.

Why don't censure this idiot?

[Lunkwill Fook]

Hasek is a bit older than Brodeur. He peeked at a latter age though so....

It's not really that Hasek peaked at a later age. It's that the idiot Blackhawks and, for a while, the Sabres wouldn't give Hasek a chance to start because they thought his unconventional play would be exposed. I don't think he actually ended up starting until he was about 28.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Because they're having a problem with support from black voters?

Damned if I know. I doubt a whole lot of voters, black or white, give a shit about Haiti or know what color their populace is.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Is he serious? That is the most ignorant and racist thing I have read in a long time.

Why don't censure this idiot?

What do you propose we do? I'd love to see him pay. I'd love to go back in time and make Falwell pay. But the people that give these idiots money and allow them to say shit like this probably applauded or nodded seriously when they heard this.

Like we're fucking living in the Dark Ages or something.

[Squadron Nye]

I almost shit myself last night. When I heard that Beltran had surgery without the mets blessing I thought they were talking about micro-fracture surgery which would leave him out all season!!! Thankfully it was only a scope. This is going to get ugly but thankfully he'll only miss the first month or so. Someone invent bionic knees ASAP

[Joe A.]

Is he serious? That is the most ignorant and racist thing I have read in a long time.

Why don't censure this idiot?

Oh, he's serious. But this is the same guy that argued that 9/11 and Katrina were punishment from God for the U.S. allowing abortions.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Blackhawks had Belfour at the time, pretty tough to argue against sitting him at the time. Buffalo was paying all sorts of money Grant Fuhr who had more than earned his right to be the starter at the time. Sabres were built around Lafontaine, Mogilny and Hawerchuk at the time so the goaltending wasn't as big of an issue.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Blackhawks had Belfour at the time, pretty tough to argue against sitting him at the time. Buffalo was paying all sorts of money Grant Fuhr who had more than earned his right to be the starter at the time. Sabres were built around Lafontaine, Mogilny and Hawerchuk at the time so the goaltending wasn't as big of an issue.

Yeah, at the same time, if they realized what they had, they'd either have traded him for needed pieces or saved payroll by ditching the "superstar" goaltenders.

[Rave]

Don’t know about Ankiel. He was pretty shitty last year and won’t have Daddy LaRussa’s hand to hold anymore.
Angel can hold down the job for a month or 2, but needs a platoon partner. I’d suggest Baldelli, but I don’t know if he can still play center, and having three CF’s made of glass paired with the Mets medical staff is probably not a good idea.

[Ed in Westchester]

The devastation visited upon Beltran is a result of his making a pact with the devil.

Scott Boras

[Lunkwill Fook]

hahah, when Buffalo traded Hasek to Detroit in the middle of Hasek's prime, all they got back in return was Slava Kozlov and a draft pick that ended up being Atlanta's Jim Slater.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Yeah, at the same time, if they realized what they had, they'd either have traded him for needed pieces or saved payroll by ditching the "superstar" goaltenders.

Eh, there was still a bit of a bias against European goalies. Hasek obviously changed that, but goaltending was the last position where the old guard of the NHL realized the Euros/Ruskies could actually play in the NHL.

[Squadron Nye]

The best part about this, Ramon, is that Limbaugh immediately used this to score political points.

You say it so flippantly. Don't you know sasha and mahilia hit the "Haiti Earthquake" button in the oval office? shit head

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

hahah, when Buffalo traded Hasek to Detroit in the middle of Hasek's prime, all they got back in return was Slava Kozlov and a draft pick that ended up being Atlanta's Jim Slater.

That was the end of Hasek's prime. After his first year in Detroit he missed the entire next season and was plagued by injuries afterwards.

[Joe A.]

Don’t know about Ankiel. He was pretty shitty last year and won’t have Daddy LaRussa’s hand to hold anymore.
Angel can hold down the job for a month or 2, but needs a platoon partner. I’d suggest Baldelli, but I don’t know if he can still play center, and having three CF’s made of glass paired with the Mets medical staff is probably not a good idea.

The fact that Ankiel sucked last year is why he is still available and can be signed cheap. Pagan is fine but he figures to hit 1-2 or 7-8. Ankiel at least has enough power that you can hit him 5th or 6th against a righty, if he hitting well.

[Squadron Nye]

Don’t know about Ankiel. He was pretty shitty last year and won’t have Daddy LaRussa’s hand to hold anymore.
Angel can hold down the job for a month or 2, but needs a platoon partner. I’d suggest Baldelli, but I don’t know if he can still play center, and having three CF’s made of glass paired with the Mets medical staff is probably not a good idea.

I wonder what Ankiel is getting on the open market? It wouldn't be a terrible option if cheap

[Lunkwill Fook]

You say it so flippantly. Don't you know sasha and mahilia hit the "Haiti Earthquake" button in the oval office? shit head

Little black children? Fuck, you know they can't read.

beep

[Ramon Suarez]

What do you propose we do? I'd love to see him pay. I'd love to go back in time and make Falwell pay. But the people that give these idiots money and allow them to say shit like this probably applauded or nodded seriously when they heard this.

Like we're fucking living in the Dark Ages or something.

I dont know. I mean, the news networks should give him a real whipping like they did Don Imus.

Ultimately, there is nothing anyone can do to shut his ignorant mouth. I just hope we begin a discourse on Haiti, its tragic history, and the facts surrounding its bleak situation. The media in our country keeps people ignorant about the rest of the world to the point that a fool like Robertson can make these types of claims and not be challenged for their blatant ignorance and racism.

[Lunkwill Fook]

That was the end of Hasek's prime. After his first year in Detroit he missed the entire next season and was plagued by injuries afterwards.

He still won 41 games with a slightly above 2 GAA that year. The injury can't necessarily be blamed on age and had another excellent year after that.

[Squadron Nye]

I dont know. I mean, the news networks should give him a real whipping like they did Don Imus.

Ultimately, there is nothing anyone can do to shut his ignorant mouth. I just hope we begin a discourse on Haiti, its tragic history, and the facts surrounding its bleak situation. The media in our country keeps people ignorant about the rest of the world to the point that a fool like Robertson can make these types of claims and not be challenged for their blatant ignorance and racism.

Haiti hasn't had a functioning government since, what, 91? Sad it takes something like this to get attention to the desperate situation they've been in for years. The place was a shithole before the earthquake, now it's just blended around

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

He still won 41 games with a slightly above 2 GAA that year. The injury can't necessarily be blamed on age and had another excellent year after that.

He was still a good goalie, but not like he was in Buffalo. His win totals were helped because he was on some good teams too, not saying he didn't do his part but he was fortunate to be part of two good teams (Sens and Wings) in his post-lockout career. Not like the 90's where he took the likes of Stu Barnes and Jason Woolley to the finals.

[Lunkwill Fook]

He was still a good goalie, but not like he was in Buffalo. His win totals were helped because he was on some good teams too, not saying he didn't do his part but he was fortunate to be part of two good teams (Sens and Wings) in his post-lockout career. Not like the 90's where he took the likes of Stu Barnes and Jason Woolley to the finals.

True dat.

[Ramon Suarez]

Haiti hasn't had a functioning government since, what, 91? Sad it takes something like this to get attention to the desperate situation they've been in for years. The place was a shithole before the earthquake, now it's just blended around

There have been two coups in that time (1991 and 2004) and they both involved the Aristide government ousted by a paramilitary junta only to have "democracy restored" under terms monitored by the NATO and US government.

[Ramon Suarez]

The hatred on Brodeur is just killing me its so sad.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Haiti hasn't had a functioning government since, what, 91? Sad it takes something like this to get attention to the desperate situation they've been in for years. The place was a shithole before the earthquake, now it's just blended around

Well that was during the period where the US briefly decided to resurrect the Roosevelt Corollary and also where the US tried to kick out heads of state they didn't like or lend support to oust other unpopular leaders but do jackshit after the nuisances were extricated from power. They've been fucking up nation building a long time before Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Lunkwill Fook]

The hatred on Brodeur is just killing me its so sad.

Hey, no one said Brodeur sucks.

....

Brodeur sucks.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Well that was during the period where the US briefly decided to resurrect the Roosevelt Corollary and also where the US tried to kick out heads of state they didn't like or lend support to oust other unpopular leaders but do jackshit after the nuisances were extricated from power. They've been fucking up nation building a long time before Iraq and Afghanistan.

Try the Monroe Doctrine. That's how far our fucked up nation building extends.

[lucienlc]

Is he serious? That is the most ignorant and racist thing I have read in a long time.

Why don't censure this idiot?

It was the most ignorant thing he said since he claimed Katrina was God's judgment upon us for allowing abortions.

The man is waaayyy beyond ignorant and racist.

The sad thing is that apparently there are people in Haiti wondering why God has done this to them, according to some press reports. Since it's a very religious country, some people were wondering what they had done to offend God so much that he would visit this "plague" upon them. So very sad.

[peejay]

The hatred on Brodeur is just killing me its so sad.

Lets Go Rangers!

[John]

Wow. Did anyone notice that Angel Pagan was a 2.8 WAR last season? That's right, he was worth as much as our new left fielder.

I really think fielding is over valued in WAR.

Not exactly WAR itself. But the number they are using to get the fielding component in WAR (ie UZR or whatever system you choose really) is overvaluing him. Cause a run is a run, whether its on offense of defense.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

The hatred on Brodeur is just killing me its so sad.

It makes me :) :) :) :)

[lucienlc]

There have been two coups in that time (1991 and 2004) and they both involved the Aristide government ousted by a paramilitary junta only to have "democracy restored" under terms monitored by the NATO and US government.

C'mon, Ramon. There has never been a democratic government in Haiti. Things under Aristide were awful too. Things in Haiti have pretty much always been awful for a long, long time.

Probably the recent situation was about as good as it gets in Haiti -- which is to say, virtually no functioning government. At least, that way nobody is killing people on the streets. Unfortunately, it also means they are totally incapable of dealing with a crisis.

Maybe something good will come out of this unbelievable tragedy, and the world community will help improve conditions in Haiti for the survivors. We can only hope.

[John]

I dont follow hockey and even I know Brodeur was good.........he'd have to be for me to hear about him.

[Ramon Suarez]

Anyone ever seen the Serpent and the Rainbow?

[Lunkwill Fook]

Not exactly WAR itself. But the number they are using to get the fielding component in WAR (ie UZR or whatever system you choose really) is overvaluing him. Cause a run is a run, whether its on offense of defense.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, the defensive component. I just think at some point, they're getting too much credit for good D. When Pedro Feliz is a plus WAR player, I know there's something wrong.

[Lunkwill Fook]

I dont follow hockey and even I know Brodeur was good.........he'd have to be for me to hear about him.

Shut up, John, and write us an article. :)

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Try the Monroe Doctrine. That's how far our fucked up nation building extends.

Roosevelt Corollary is an addendum to the Monroe Doctrine that deals specifically with LatAm and the Carib.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Roosevelt Corollary is an addendum to the Monroe Doctrine that deals specifically with LatAm and the Carib.

Yeah, but the Monroe Doctrine, though not specific, largely applied to those same areas. Vis a vis Panama.

[Ed in Westchester]

Metsgeek -

Baseball, Hockey, and a little History Lesson thrown in for shits and giggles

[Lunkwill Fook]

Metsgeek -

Baseball, Hockey, and a little History Lesson thrown in for shits and giggles

Who the fuck is talking about baseball? ;)

[Dep]

D-Bagz signed Laroche if it wasnt posted already

http://www.metsgeek.com/showthread.php?34-D-Bags-sign-LaRoche

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Because Carlos Beltran and baseball will have nothing to do with each other for the next 90 days.

[John]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, the defensive component. I just think at some point, they're getting too much credit for good D. When Pedro Feliz is a plus WAR player, I know there's something wrong.

The problem lies in the fact that one year of defense metrics really doesnt say alot. A guy for example can go from being +10 to -5 from one year to another. One year he added a win, next year he was at -0.5 wins.

It really stems from the fact that we have excellent offensive stats but the defensive ones arent quite there just yet. Field FX should help that quite a bit (if mlb lets people use the data like they do for pitch fx)

[Ed in Westchester]

Re Beltran - even if he is able to resume "baseball activities" in 8 weeks, I wonder if this will be like the last time he had knee surgery, and he will have to "learn to slide" again.

This is going to be a long process folks.

[Ed in Westchester]

RE Brodeur - c'mon now, everyone knows the best money goalie of all time was Billy Smith.

[John]

Pedro Feliz WAR has been under 2 mostly (below avg player) that one year he had 2.8 when his defense was +20 runs

Had another year at 2.6 when his defense was +18 runs

Its just really a matter of how much stock we put into those numbers.

I think we can see hitting alot easier. We know if a guy does well. I was shocked last year when I was looking at Beltran's UZR and it was sooo low, because from watching him play, i honestly didnt notice a huge decrease in his defense performance.

[Ed in Westchester]

We need a "beep" emoticon

[sheadenizen]

Guess LaRoche really didn't want the Giants. What did he sign for?

[Ed in Westchester]

Pedro Feliz WAR has been under 2 mostly (below avg player) that one year he had 2.8 when his defense was +20 runs

Had another year at 2.6 when his defense was +18 runs

Its just really a matter of how much stock we put into those numbers.

I think we can see hitting alot easier. We know if a guy does well. I was shocked last year when I was looking at Beltran's UZR and it was sooo low, because from watching him play, i honestly didnt notice a huge decrease in his defense performance.

lies, damn lies, and statistics

[Dep]

Anyone ever seen the Serpent and the Rainbow?

yup.

awesome movie. horror classic

gave me nightmares first time i saw it

[Dep]

Don't forgot about the other threads boys n girls.

I want everyone to have a goal to make at least one comment today in a non-chat thread.

for me :)

Be back later!

and observe the donation banner on the top of some pages.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

RE Brodeur - c'mon now, everyone knows the best money goalie of all time was Billy Smith.

Please Lunk make some sort of mod edit that involves money shot and Billy Smith.

[Dep]

For Ed:

[Squadron Nye]

Don't forgot about the other threads boys n girls.

I want everyone to have a goal to make at least one comment today in a non-chat thread.

for me :)

Be back later!

and observe the donation banner on the top of some pages.

I'm pretty comfortable here, thanks

[Lunkwill Fook]

Please Lunk make some sort of mod edit that involves money shot and Billy Smith.

Wouldn't that just start a little war?

[Dep]

For Nye

have a HUSH puppy

[Ramon Suarez]

C'mon, Ramon. There has never been a democratic government in Haiti. Things under Aristide were awful too. Things in Haiti have pretty much always been awful for a long, long time.

Probably the recent situation was about as good as it gets in Haiti -- which is to say, virtually no functioning government. At least, that way nobody is killing people on the streets. Unfortunately, it also means they are totally incapable of dealing with a crisis.

Maybe something good will come out of this unbelievable tragedy, and the world community will help improve conditions in Haiti for the survivors. We can only hope.

I am not saying Aristide's Lavalas government was the savior of Haiti. He abused many of his powers and definitively moved to the right after he was reinstalled into the presidency in 1994, only to leave in 1995, and be relected again in 2000 with support from the Clinton administration. But he was democratically elected twice with mass popular support from the black peasantry against the wishes of the small landowning class and commercial elite there. Again, Washington during the Bush administration did nothing but allow the CIA to support the second overthrow attempt from a paramilitary squadron who snuck in from the DR and was backed by Canadian and French occupation. Aristide was wisked away in the middle of the night much as Zelaya was in Honduras in 2009 and Chavez was almost overthrown in 2002.

These were all democratic governments who followed international rules of electoral law. So, yeah, there has been democracy in Haiti. Its just that it rarely is given a chance to take shape due to a confluence of external pressures and internal conflcts.

Maybe this earthquake can shake things up (no pun intended) by moving the nation into a further state of desparation to where old structures of power can be challenged in the process of rebuilding, but I doubt it. Look at a place like New Orleans after Katrina no less. It has been turned into neo-liberal corporate fantasy land where private contractors are remodeling the city and marginalizing many of its inhabitants in renovation projects. Its like Naomi Klein argues in Shock Doctrine. These types of crises are used to benefit the richest percentage who have the capital to make money on the rebuilding phase after a disaster.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Nye's a hater.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Wouldn't that just start a little war?

I'm not that worried.

[Lunkwill Fook]

These types of crises are used to benefit the richest percentage who have the capital to make money on the rebuilding phase after a disaster.

How much do you want to bet lots of the reconstruction ends up centering around cruise port towns with nice private vacation spots?

[Ed in Westchester]

For Ed:




LOL!

[Dep]

I also think this works well

[Dep]

LMAO

[Ed in Westchester]

Nice Dep!

[Squadron Nye]

haha...

no I'll hase a HUSH PUPPY

[Dep]

I always rooted for the Coyote to catch that fahqer

ok i really have to go do some work lol

damn you all for being so interesting

[Lunkwill Fook]

You heard the man.

[Dep]

haha...

no I'll hase a HUSH PUPPY



mmmmmmmmmmmm

[Ed in Westchester]

I don't see the link about the donation any longer.

Ed wants to donate.

[Dep]

Mr. T!

[Lunkwill Fook]

I think whenever someone posts absolute idiocy, I'm going to replace their post with this:

[Ramon Suarez]

How much do you want to bet lots of the reconstruction ends up centering around cruise port towns with nice private vacation spots?

Exactly, Rene. Maybe a country with Haiti's history of disarray won't be as attractive to foreign capital to invest in the type of massive renovation projects we see in New Orleans. But place like Afghanistan and Iraq have still become a contractor's wet dream despite their historical lack of pacifity. Even Haitians will need new electrical grids, pipes, roads, bridges, etc. But one thing is for certain...the majority of the people affected by these decisions probably wont be included in the decision-making process. So I don't know how things will get any better for them.

[Dep]

I don't see the link about the donation any longer.

Ed wants to donate.

I accidentally closed it on one page and it didnt come back...perhaps re-logging in will do it

doesnt need to be today...long-term thing. appreciate your kind heart.

lets see how the server behaves over the next month or so b4 we really make the call

[Squadron Nye]

Nye's a hater.

hmm

[Ed in Westchester]

Avatar!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Lunk

[Lunkwill Fook]

Exactly, Rene. Maybe a country with Haiti's history of disarray won't be as attractive to foreign capital to invest in the type of massive renovation projects we see in New Orleans. But place like Afghanistan and Iraq have still become a contractor's wet dream despite their historical lack of pacifity. Even Haitians will need new electrical grids, pipes, roads, bridges, etc. But one thing is for certain...the majority of the people affected by these decisions probably wont be included in the decision-making process. So I don't know how things will get any better for them.

I just imagine Haiti going the way of Roatan, Honduras. Lots of poor people wedged into one location while the rest of the country is sprawling private rich white people vacation spots. Gated rich white people vacation spots.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Avatar!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Lunk

My pleasure, Mr. T.

[Lunkwill Fook]

The Haitian from "Heroes" is actually Haitian and he can't find his family. (http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/TV/01/13/jimmy.louis.haiti/index.html)

Sad.

[Ramon Suarez]

I just imagine Haiti going the way of Roatan, Honduras. Lots of poor people wedged into one location while the rest of the country is sprawling private rich white people vacation spots. Gated rich white people vacation spots.

Watch out Dominican Republic!

[Lunkwill Fook]

hahah Sickels managed to make a Mets jab in the Tampa Bay farm system review.


Not just the amazing aggregation of talent at the top, but the way they run the system really impresses me. The Rays can pick good college guys with developed skills. They can pick raw high school guys and turn them into players. They have an effective Latin American operation. They don't push guys too fast: they are particularly conservative with the high school arms, letting them percolate enough at each level. They are the Anti-Mets in that regard, and it really seems to work for them. They can even pick a guy like Rayner Oliveros (released by the Royals) off the scrap heap and get something out of him.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Watch out Dominican Republic!

Well, the DR hasn't had a convenient natural disaster to open up a lot of room for development.

[Ramon Suarez]

Well, the DR hasn't had a convenient natural disaster to open up a lot of room for development.

No, but the DR is the typical tourist spot in the Caribbean for the situation you described. A place where tourists from the US, Canada, and West Europe come to live and play while the vast majority of people are herded like cows into the worst lands.

[Lunkwill Fook]

No, but the DR is the typical tourist spot in the Caribbean for the situation you described. A place where tourists from the US, Canada, and West Europe come to live and play while the vast majority of people are herded like cows into the worst lands.

It seriously can't be worse than Roatan. I literally felt sick being there.

[sheadenizen]

Sickels is absolutely correct though, imo. I have always screamed ( along with many of us) that the mets rush prospects. I think part of that stems from the fact that the mets are so poorly constructed as a team on the ML level, that theybecome desperate for players when injuries or whatever occur and rush the prospects.

[CatchDog]

Sickels is absolutely correct though, imo. I have always screamed ( along with many of us) that the mets rush prospects. I think part of that stems from the fact that the mets are so poorly constructed as a team on the ML level, that theybecome desperate for players when injuries or whatever occur and rush the prospects.

Speaking of which; I wonder how many times Omar has called FMart today to see how he's doin.

[Squadron Nye]

Speaking of which; I wonder how many times Omar has called FMart today to see how he's doin.

Fmart is more delicate than a Faberge egg

[Ed in Westchester]

Sickels is absolutely correct though, imo. I have always screamed ( along with many of us) that the mets rush prospects. I think part of that stems from the fact that the mets are so poorly constructed as a team on the ML level, that theybecome desperate for players when injuries or whatever occur and rush the prospects.

absolutely Shea.

They promote too fast, and don't let guys learn a position that they will play regularly.
I'm hping they start to learn from their past mistakes, and move guys (Havens for example) early, so they can learn the fundamentals of the position.
No matter how "naturally talented" players are, they still need time to grow as players.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Sickels is absolutely correct though, imo. I have always screamed ( along with many of us) that the mets rush prospects. I think part of that stems from the fact that the mets are so poorly constructed as a team on the ML level, that theybecome desperate for players when injuries or whatever occur and rush the prospects.

I don't think that's the reason why Omar and the Mets do it. I think it's their philosophy to challenge prospects. They'd rather a young player do well in AA than have him crush single A pitching. I don't think it's about replacing players at the MLB level as soon as possible.

[Squadron Nye]

absolutely Shea.

They promote too fast, and don't let guys learn a position that they will play regularly.
I'm hping they start to learn from their past mistakes, and move guys (Havens for example) early, so they can learn the fundamentals of the position.
No matter how "naturally talented" players are, they still need time to grow as players.

The worst part is how they explain it: "We always want to challenge our guys. Rushing them through the system challenges them" It's either actually their philosophy or a cover for the fact that they're shitting bricks on the ML level

[Lunkwill Fook]

Also, having a young player holding his own at an advanced level makes them that much better trade bait.

[Squadron Nye]

I don't think that's the reason why Omar and the Mets do it. I think it's their philosophy to challenge prospects. They'd rather a young player do well in AA than have him crush single A pitching. I don't think it's about replacing players at the MLB level as soon as possible.

FREAK

[Squadron Nye]

Also, having a young player holding his own at an advanced level makes them that much better trade bait.

the corollary being having a player ABSOLUTELY TANK in the minors because they were rushed to an advanced level makes them unprospects

[Lunkwill Fook]

the corollary being having a player ABSOLUTELY TANK in the minors because they were rushed to an advanced level makes them unprospects

True but without rushing Gomez, we'd probably never have gotten Santana. At least, not without throwing in Fernando.

[sheadenizen]

Challenge prospects, my ass Lunk. They are so without vision or long term planning that they fly by the seat of their pants.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Challenge prospects, my ass Lunk. They are so without vision or long term planning that they fly by the seat of their pants.

Respectfully disagree. I'm not saying their vision is a GOOD one. I'm just saying it's part of the vision they have. I don't think it's out of panic.

[Athena]

Also, having a young player holding his own at an advanced level makes them that much better trade bait.

Truth

[Joe A.]

I don't think that's the reason why Omar and the Mets do it. I think it's their philosophy to challenge prospects. They'd rather a young player do well in AA than have him crush single A pitching. I don't think it's about replacing players at the MLB level as soon as possible.

I agree Lunk. Rushing guys to the majors - like they did with Pelfry, Milledge, Gomez, is sometimes because of injuries or other problems at the major league level. But that doesn't really explain pushing 17 year old guys at the lowest levels, like Flores and Marte last year.

Hopefully Tony B was behind this strategy and it will change now that he's gone.

[Squadron Nye]

True but without rushing Gomez, we'd probably never have gotten Santana. At least, not without throwing in Fernando.

Agree wholeheartedly. However you cannot trust the Mets (usually) to pull the trigger on a trade in time for peak value. Gomez definitely was the exception but there are tons that where hyped, had real value, then totally got exposed (BEND YO KNEEZZ)

[Lunkwill Fook]

Agree wholeheartedly. However you cannot trust the Mets (usually) to pull the trigger on a trade in time for peak value. Gomez definitely was the exception but there are tons that where hyped, had real value, then totally got exposed (BEND YO KNEEZZ)

Again, I'm not saying that this philosophy has always worked out for the Mets. I think it's largely a bad policy myself. I'm just saying it IS philosophy and not just chicken-without-a-head kind of running around.

[sheadenizen]

Lunk, I think that sometimes you are blinded by your fanship. You bend over backward to make excuses for these idiots. Maybe it's just your way of keeping your sanity. I can't believe you really believe some of the stuff you spout....lol!

[Squadron Nye]

Do you really think they would DAMAGE f-marts value by letting him hang back in the low minors? I mean the dude was a teenager for christ sake.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Lunk, I think that sometimes you are blinded by your fanship. You bend over backward to make excuses for these idiots. Maybe it's just your way of keeping your sanity. I can't believe you really believe some of the stuff you spout....lol!

hahah I do believe it, Shea. Do I think they've done a bad job of it? Yeah. But I do believe they have a vision. It's just a shitty, ineffective vision.

[Squadron Nye]

Again, I'm not saying that this philosophy has always worked out for the Mets. I think it's largely a bad policy myself. I'm just saying it IS philosophy and not just chicken-without-a-head kind of running around.

You can execute the policy and still be smart about trading prospects when you think they won't work out on the ML level at their peak value. The two are mutually exclusive IMO

[Lunkwill Fook]

Do you really think they would DAMAGE f-marts value by letting him hang back in the low minors? I mean the dude was a teenager for christ sake.

No, I don't think it would have damaged him. But aggressively pushing him DID raise his trade value. You have to admit that. The injuries have dampened it however.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Okay, got to run for a bit. Computer install and all that.

[Squadron Nye]

Lunk, I think that sometimes you are blinded by your fanship. You bend over backward to make excuses for these idiots. Maybe it's just your way of keeping your sanity. I can't believe you really believe some of the stuff you spout....lol!

To be fair it has been stated publicly that this is their plan for prospects. It's up to you if you believe it or not. I wonder which side of the fence you fall on shea? :)

[Joe A.]

I think you're more likely to help a prospect's value by keeping him at a level where they will have success. For some reason the Mets philosophy has been to keep pushing until you find the level where the guy will be overmatched. Seems like a terrible philosphy to me.

[Athena]

Again, I'm not saying that this philosophy has always worked out for the Mets. I think it's largely a bad policy myself. I'm just saying it IS philosophy and not just chicken-without-a-head kind of running around.

I completely agree with this way of thinking. You're not saying that is the best way to manage a farm system, just that there is some plan.

And, like Joe, I hope that Tony B. was behind some of this and that the system will be managed differently in the future.

[CatchDog]

But the system shall redeem itself when Davis, Mejia, Havens, Allen, Familia, CapN et al take over Citi in the next couple of years.

:: cough-cough $&%@ ::

I'm sorry; an Angel just gave birth in my mouth.

[Ed in Westchester]

LOL at comments on NBC Sports


This is the same thing he did after his rookie year in Kansas City.

Didn't tell the team about an injury, refused treatment from the medical staff and did it his own way. The Royals suspended him, but that was before Boras became his agent.

Most people don't understand that Beltran is a slightly better version of J.D. Drew.




Man, am I feeling paranoid, or what ? Elective surgery..... on his own... using his own doctor... missing more time....... didn't Bonds do this once he saw what a hard time Giambi and McGwire had trying to play while coming off steroids ?

I gotta get a life... or I will start believing that even MORE players were using that stuff !!! Say it ain't so, Joe... and Sam... and Harry.... and... and..... and.......




Ask yourself why he didn't have the surgery at the end of last season. Easy, this guy has never been a winner and never will be. He's got what he wanted and now the Mets will have to put up with him. Few people in K.C. even care that they lost him because this side of him has always been the lead side. Huge waste of talent.

[Dep]

someone that has my digits, text me if there's any problems requiring attention on here

thanks

[Dep]

But the system shall redeem itself when Davis, Mejia, Havens, Allen, Familia, CapN et al take over Citi in the next couple of years.

:: cough-cough $&%@ ::

I'm sorry; an Angel just gave birth in my mouth.

CDOG GO BOOM!

hell yeah

[Squadron Nye]

LOL at comments on NBC Sports

DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND BELTRAN IS J.D. DREW WITH ARROZ CON POLLOS

yikes what a steaming pile of cow dung.

BTW (For sane people) I think the reason he had surgery so late is because it didn't hurt till he started baseball activities a couple weeks ago.

[Squadron Nye]

But the system shall redeem itself when Davis, Mejia, Havens, Allen, Familia, CapN et al take over Citi in the next couple of years.

:: cough-cough $&%@ ::

I'm sorry; an Angel just gave birth in my mouth.

I didn't know pagan was pregnant

[sheadenizen]

To be fair it has been stated publicly that this is their plan for prospects. It's up to you if you believe it or not. I wonder which side of the fence you fall on shea? :)
mmmmm...let me think about it! I don't know how we can honestly believe most of what the mets tell us. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.....hahahahaha!

[peejay]

someone that has my digits, text me if there's any problems requiring attention on here

thanks

stop hovering, you are like a jewish mother

[CatchDog]

I didn't know pagan was pregnant

Nice one, Nye !

So how long until we find out if Tron had the knee scoped or it was a full on microsurgery?

[Squadron Nye]

stop hovering, you are like a jewish mother

LMFAO

[sheadenizen]

A Jewish mother hovering over this site is a good thing, pj! Leave him alone!

[Ed in Westchester]

DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND BELTRAN IS J.D. DREW WITH ARROZ CON POLLOS

yikes what a steaming pile of cow dung.

BTW (For sane people) I think the reason he had surgery so late is because it didn't hurt till he started baseball activities a couple weeks ago.

yeah, I am with you there. I think he rested it, and when he started to work out, it hurt. Went to Altchek, they prescribed more rest, along with some lovely herbal remedies, rubbed some spit and dirt on it, and told him he would be OK. Then he went to his Dr. who said "$$$, I mean, scope time!"

[Squadron Nye]

Nice one, Nye !

So how long until we find out if Tron had he knee scoped or it was a full on microsurgery?

The only reports of micro-fracture I heard was last night. Now I think the consensus is that it's just a scope. We're DOOOOMED either way

[peejay]

LMFAO

at least you weren't ROFLMAO or dep would have to rush in to see if you were OK.

"talk to me nye, talk to me, my precious little boy are you ok"

/kyle's mom

[peejay]

A Jewish mother hovering over this site is a good thing, pj! Leave him alone!

some people get small dogs, some people adopt

dep has metsgeek

[Ed in Westchester]

at least you weren't ROFLMAO or dep would have to rush in to see if you were OK.

"talk to me nye, talk to me, my precious little boy are you ok"

/kyle's mom

Kyle's mom is a big fat bitch
she's the biggest bitch in the whole wide world

A bitch to all the boys and girls

[Ed in Westchester]

LUNCH!

[sheadenizen]

What's the name of that great ( imo) baseball writer from KC? He'd know the truth about Beltran and the Royals. I'd be curious to hear his take on this.

[peejay]

ed, i am going to post 50 times while you are at lunch

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Avery questionable for tonight's game.

[peejay]

if only i had something to talk about..........

[Squadron Nye]

What's the name of that great ( imo) baseball writer from KC? He'd know the truth about Beltran and the Royals. I'd be curious to hear his take on this.

I dunno but I'm fascinated.

[sheadenizen]

I dunno but I'm fascinated.
Joe Posnanski. He is currently with SI but was with the KC Star for many a year.

[Squadron Nye]

via Mc-Lite:


Today at 2 pm, SNY will air the Mets conference call with reporters regarding Carlos Beltran’s knee surgery.

[Dep]

LMAO @ PJ. too funny. so tru too

ya, he has a blog too shea. he has not written on tron yet

http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

if only i had something to talk about..........

Unfortunately no Sens fans on the Geek, can't talk shit to them.

[peejay]

do you have a link ms shea? two more posts and you get pie!

[Squadron Nye]

Joe Posnanski. He is currently with SI but was with the KC Star for many a year.

Were you just pondering what he might know or has he gone on record saying that Tronny and KC had a contentious relationship?

[peejay]

dep got it, thanks mom

[Athena]

yeah, I am with you there. I think he rested it, and when he started to work out, it hurt. Went to Altchek, they prescribed more rest, along with some lovely herbal remedies, rubbed some spit and dirt on it, and told him he would be OK. Then he went to his Dr. who said "$$$, I mean, scope time!"

Yup, yup

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Avery questionable for tonight's game.

Word is he is going to play.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

PJ and Athena tied in posts! Who will the winner be???

[Squadron Nye]

This is hilarious. Kimmel is a funny mofo

[Athena]

Joe Posnanski. He is currently with SI but was with the KC Star for many a year.


He is fantastic. Still blogs (http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/). But he hasn't written on Beltran yet.

[peejay]

the conan monologue had me up in the ROFLCOPTER

[Squadron Nye]

the conan monologue had me up in the ROFLCOPTER

These latenight shows have never been funnier now that they're all pissed off!

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

These latenight shows have never been funnier now that they're all pissed off!

Sounds like they one-upped Letterman. Take that sleeping with your assistant!

[sheadenizen]

Were you just pondering what he might know or has he gone on record saying that Tronny and KC had a contentious relationship?

Just pondering, Nye. I think he would know the truth if anyone would. I respect his opinion. I thought maybe I'd email him and ask.

[peejay]

conan and leno are def doing better in the ratings now with all the buzz. i would suspect shenanigans if conan wasn't quitting.

[lucienlc]

Re Beltran, I think one of the commenters on the McLite thread has it right. The Mets need Beltran in the lineup. They don't want him on the DL. And they're prepared to settle for 75%-80% of Beltran for the next two years in order to have it. They don't care about his knees, his health, or his career after that. Just want to get as much use out of him as they can.

Beltran, otoh, wants to be healthy so he can command another hefty contract after next year. By having surgery, to his way of thinking, if he misses half this year, but is healthy for the second half, and then has a great season next year, then it's worth it to him. And given the way the Mets' doctors jerked him around last year, telling him not to have surgery and that he could play on the bone bruise, and everything would be okay, I don't see that he owes a lot of loyalty to these creeps.

[Athena]

Just pondering, Nye. I think he would know the truth if anyone would. I respect his opinion. I thought maybe I'd email him and ask.

You're right. He is a big fan and supporter of Beltran and the Royals. He would be interested as a journalist and a fan. And he knows a ton about KC baseball.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Re Beltran, I think one of the commenters on the McLite thread has it right. The Mets need Beltran in the lineup. They don't want him on the DL. And they're prepared to settle for 75%-80% of Beltran for the next two years in order to have it. They don't care about his knees, his health, or his career after that. Just want to get as much use out of him as they can.

Beltran, otoh, wants to be healthy so he can command another hefty contract after next year. By having surgery, to his way of thinking, if he misses half this year, but is healthy for the second half, and then has a great season next year, then it's worth it to him. And given the way the Mets' doctors jerked him around last year, telling him not to have surgery and that he could play on the bone bruise, and everything would be okay, I don't see that he owes a lot of loyalty to these creeps.

I'm certain Beltran is also somewhat concerned with how painful it is. I'd imagine it's agonizing on a daily basis.

[Lunkwill Fook]

I love AVM.

http://www.metsrefugees.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26968

fugees posters only. NSFW.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Don't you love it how links no longer break the Geek?

[peejay]

Re Beltran, I think one of the commenters on the McLite thread has it right. The Mets need Beltran in the lineup. They don't want him on the DL. And they're prepared to settle for 75%-80% of Beltran for the next two years in order to have it. They don't care about his knees, his health, or his career after that. Just want to get as much use out of him as they can.

Beltran, otoh, wants to be healthy so he can command another hefty contract after next year. By having surgery, to his way of thinking, if he misses half this year, but is healthy for the second half, and then has a great season next year, then it's worth it to him. And given the way the Mets' doctors jerked him around last year, telling him not to have surgery and that he could play on the bone bruise, and everything would be okay, I don't see that he owes a lot of loyalty to these creeps.

i said something similar to this on the beltran thread, but not nearly as articulate. this theory rings true to me with the exception that it is Boras driven, not Beltran

[sheadenizen]

Athena, I emailed Joe. Figured it was worth a shot. I'll advise if he reponds.

[lucienlc]

I'm certain Beltran is also somewhat concerned with how painful it is. I'd imagine it's agonizing on a daily basis.

I'm sure it is -- at least if he tries to play baseball. But the Mets obviously don't care about that. Play through the pain, sucka!!!

I really hate the way Omar et al do things. Push the kids, so they're bound to fail; make people play with injuries; bring them back
too soon; downplay their significance. I want this regime GONE.

Sadly, the owners will still be there, and they're just as responsible for the joke that is the NY Mets.

[peejay]

sheadenizen, junior geek

[Lunkwill Fook]

I was told there would also be punch.

[lucienlc]

Re Haiti -- the FAA just closed the airport in Haiti to further US flights because there is too much air traffic there already, trying to get into too small a space. One airstrip. Now they're sending planes to the DR -- but the roads in between are impassible. What a mess!

[Squadron Nye]

I love AVM.

http://www.metsrefugees.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26968

fugees posters only. NSFW.

SWEEEEEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[Lunkwill Fook]

Re Haiti -- the FAA just closed the airport in Haiti to further US flights because there is too much air traffic there already, trying to get into too small a space. One airstrip. Now they're sending planes to the DR -- but the roads in between are impassible. What a mess!

It's worse than that, luc. The ATC tower was destroyed so they're managing a makeshift ATC through the cockpit of a C-130.

[lucienlc]

Brad Lidge was scoped yesterday, but without the sturm und drang attached to the Beltran scoping.

[Squadron Nye]

Re Haiti -- the FAA just closed the airport in Haiti to further US flights because there is too much air traffic there already, trying to get into too small a space. One airstrip. Now they're sending planes to the DR -- but the roads in between are impassible. What a mess!

that stuff always seems to happen during these natural disasters. They need to get the army in there and build a temporary airstrip

[Lunkwill Fook]

Getting scoped just sounds dirty.

[peejay]

I was told there would also be punch.

punch is served

[Athena]

Athena, I emailed Joe. Figured it was worth a shot. I'll advise if he reponds.

Cool! I'd love to see what he says. I have a big crush on Posnanski. ;-)

[lucienlc]

It's worse than that, luc. The ATC tower was destroyed so they're managing a makeshift ATC through the cockpit of a C-130.

And there's no fuel on the ground in Port Au Prince, so planes are coming in, and not leaving. They're parking them in the dirt all around the place. And with only one airstrip, they just can't handle this.

I have a feeling the US military is going to be building a bigger/newer airport in the next few days. They're going to have to.

[Squadron Nye]

It's worse than that, luc. The ATC tower was destroyed so they're managing a makeshift ATC through the cockpit of a C-130.

I was under the impression AWAKs were capable of doing this in high volume air space

[Rave]

Who’s going to do the Beltran press con? Fred and Son are at the owner’s meetings, and Bud commanded all GM’s to be there as well.
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I’m a martial law baby. I lived through a 7.8 earthquake in ’90. Then the ’91 eruption of Pinatubo. It wasn’t fun, but not nearly as bad as what is being shown as happening in Haiti. What bothers me is that Haiti is practically down the street, and aid was practically non-existent a full 24 hrs. after the event. If CNN got there, why couldn’t the US and UN?

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

I was under the impression AWAKs were capable of doing this in high volume air space

The US gov't has ewoks?

[sheadenizen]

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Thank you. Thank you. Looks yummy!

[Lunkwill Fook]

I was under the impression AWAKs were capable of doing this in high volume air space

Probably. I'm just saying what I heard on Countdown last night.

[Squadron Nye]

The army can build an airstrip in less than two days if they have the space. They have mobile surface that they can just roll out and start using.

[Squadron Nye]

The US gov't has ewoks?

NUB NUB

[lucienlc]

If CNN got there, why couldn’t the US and UN?

CNN is just wandering around taking photos/videos and talking to people.

Coordinating a large-scale rescue effort takes much more time. Plus -- the airport had to be repaired, the port had to be repaired, and the roads are still impassible for the most part.

Plus being that we are so bureacratic-heavy, everything takes forever.

There were already lots of aid people there -- but a lot of their facilities were destroyed, and a lot of their people are injured, killed, or missing, including the head of the UN mission there. Doctors Without Borders had three medical facilities -- all were destroyed. A lot of their people are also unaccounted for, I believe.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Interesting:


A disaster recovery team from Trilogy International Partners, LLC was among the first responders to arrive after the quake in Haiti. After seeing to the safety of their staff, they worked quickly to bring up emergency generators and restore service to the devastated country. Winners of a State Department medal for their previous work in Haiti, the company appears to be a model not only for proper disaster recovery response, but also for ethical corporate behavior. Their quick action has no doubt saved thousands of lives, but Haiti still needs our help.

[lucienlc]

The Search and Rescue team from Fairfax, VA is also already on the ground, digging people out.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

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I was thinking something along these lines:

[fatt lipp]

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[Lunkwill Fook]

The Mets said Beltran hadn't felt pain after the season ended or early in his offseason conditioning, but his symptoms "returned to the point where pre-spring training conditioning became too painful.

This is an interesting statement. Explains why BEltran waited so long.

[Lunkwill Fook]

The Search and Rescue team from Fairfax, VA is also already on the ground, digging people out.

Yeah, heard that on Countdown too. They were one of the first to arrive. Go Fairfax!

[Squadron Nye]

Interesting:

private company doing quicker, better work than governments and you find this interesting? Be careful they'll seize your socialist card.

Walmart beat the fed to katrina too btw.

[lucienlc]

This is an interesting statement. Explains why BEltran waited so long.

Yes. And the fact that like last year, the Mets' doctors told him not to have surgery but just do rehab-type treatments explains why he went off to his own Doctor. Cause that advice worked soooo well last summer.

[fatt lipp]

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[sheadenizen]

Wow! Ethical corporate behavior. A new concept if I've heard one. Good for them!

[Lunkwill Fook]

private company doing quicker, better work than governments and you find this interesting? Be careful they'll seize your socialist card.

Walmart beat the fed to katrina too btw.

Actually I was thinking it was interesting that one of the priorities was cell phone service. Makes sense, I suppose.

[Squadron Nye]

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bahaha sweet