General Discussion Thread: GMjr is the circa 2010 version of "Ice" Williams 5/4/10

[Chris in Ga]

Argh

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

I'd honestly think Vanilla Ice would be a better use of a roster spot. Is the thinking now that if Beltran comes back and Murphy heals that you give GMJr and Cat's bench spots to Pagan and Murphy?

A bench of Pagan, Murphy, Tatis, Cora and Blanco can't be as bad as any bench involving GMJr and Cat.

[Danny]

That's not a bad bench at all, Squad. Of course we could also upgrade the bench right now with Carter over Gato buttt I guess we want to give Carter ABs everyday.

Yeah, that must be it!

[Danny]

Manny Acosta is also definitely Mota with a slider instead of a change. I knew he was going to give up that HR. This what these types of relievers just do.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Manny Acosta is also definitely Mota with a slider instead of a change. I knew he was going to give up that HR. This what these types of relievers just do.

Exactly. One, maybe two dominate outings followed by one where they essentially give up the game.

[Danny]

Some signs of goodness from Kings last night. We need that BAD.

[Ed in Westchester]

well that sucked

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Manny Acosta is also definitely Mota with a slider instead of a change. I knew he was going to give up that HR. This what these types of relievers just do.

Looking at the pitch by pitch, he had him at 2-2 and nobody on. For the love of the sweet baby jeebus waste another pitch on a cold hitter to see if he chases. But yeah, honestly you could outfit an entire closet with the hangers that a pitcher like Acosta is prone to serving up.

[Danny]

This is more like the team we thought they were.

Hit like poo and lose heartbreakers.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Acosta, the BP, the pitching isn't what exactly let them down last night. They had another runner on 3B with less than 2 outs and couldn't get him in.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Acosta, the BP, the pitching isn't what exactly let them down last night. They had another runner on 3B with less than 2 outs and couldn't get him in.

Yes. THAT'S typical Mets. We should have won that game LONG before the 11th inning. Fucking Barajas.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Brings back the haunting memory of the game against the Cubs in 08 where Murphy had a lead off triple in extras and no one could get him in :(

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

So Lunk, how high of a draft pick do you think the Rangers should give up for Patrick Sharp?

[Lunkwill Fook]

Zero. Patrick Sharp isn't what we need.

[Ed in Westchester]

LOLZ


PHILADELPHIA - A police officer used a Taser gun to apprehend a fan who ran onto the field during a Phillies game Monday night, and the team and the police are investigating whether it was an appropriate use of force.

The fan, wearing a baseball cap, red T-shirt and khaki shorts, hopped a fence and scurried around the outfield, eluding two security officers in the bottom of the eighth inning against the St. Louis Cardinals. One officer used a Taser and the fan went down in a heap. Several Phillies placed gloves over their faces and appeared to be stifling laughter at the wild scene.

Phillies spokeswomen Bonnie Clark said the police department is investigating the matter and discussing with the team whether using the stun gun was appropriate.

Police spokesman Lt. Frank Vanore told The Philadelphia Inquirer police internal affairs will open an investigation to determine if the firing “was proper use of the equipment.”

Vanore was not made available to The Associated Press when a call was placed to the police department’s public affairs office late Monday night.

The teams said it’s the first time a Taser has been used by police to apprehend a spectator who ran onto the field.

The fan was 17-year-old male and he will be charged with criminal trespass and related offenses, the team said. The Phillies did not release his name because he is a juvenile.

[Ed in Westchester]

This is more like the team we thought they were.

Hit like poo and lose heartbreakers.

that's an insult to poo

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Zero. Patrick Sharp isn't what we need.

Another 25-30 goal scoring winger? I think that's one of their pressing needs. He can play all situations as well. Top flight centers just aren't really available and Chicago is in a major salary cap squeeze. They need to get more reliable goal scoring and if either him or Versteeg are available I think they'd help bolster the top 6 forwards.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Looks like having an NHL scoring title, playoff MVP and Stanley Cup in your trophy case doesn't get you the type of free pass it used to. (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10123/1055154-87.stm)

[Lunkwill Fook]

Another 25-30 goal scoring winger? I think that's one of their pressing needs. He can play all situations as well. Top flight centers just aren't really available and Chicago is in a major salary cap squeeze. They need to get more reliable goal scoring and if either him or Versteeg are available I think they'd help bolster the top 6 forwards.

We need a play maker and a solid 1-4 defenseman. We need someone to make our current snipers better. Also, we need to continue to change the philosophy of the organization. Build from the draft, build from within, sign free agents when necessary.

[Danny]

How about some predictions on Arroyo tonight? Dude always pwns us.

I say: 8 IP, 4 H, 3 BB, 1 R, 7 K

[Lunkwill Fook]

Looks like having an NHL scoring title, playoff MVP and Stanley Cup in your trophy case doesn't get you the type of free pass it used to. (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10123/1055154-87.stm)

Typical reactionary stupid media. I've watched every Penguins game this playoff and at no point did I ever go "Come on, Malkin, step it up!"

[Lunkwill Fook]

How about some predictions on Arroyo tonight? Dude always pwns us.

I say: 8 IP, 4 H, 3 BB, 1 R, 7 K

Only seven K's? I'm thinking 10.

[Ed in Westchester]

Arroyo is gonna be the one being pwnd tonight

3 IP, 12 H, 3 BB, 7 R, 3 K (all Frenchy), 3 HR's allowed

[Danny]

.225/.269/.377/.646

This is what the Mets hit against Arroyo in his career. LOL

[Lunkwill Fook]

.225/.269/.377/.646

This is what the Mets hit against Arroyo in his career. LOL

So we're an army of David Ecksteins? Sounds gritty.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

We need a play maker and a solid 1-4 defenseman. We need someone to make our current snipers better. Also, we need to continue to change the philosophy of the organization. Build from the draft, build from within, sign free agents when necessary.

I'd like to see Anisimov get a bigger role next year. He looked real good the last quarter of the season, like he finally got used to the NHL game. He's got by far the best natural vision and puck skills of any of the centers. Otherwise they'll have to wait until some of their recently drafted centers like Derek Stepan and Chris Kreider move from the NCAA to the AHL then to the NHL so that's at least a 2 year timeline.

With the D, they need to obviously get rid of Rozi or Redden. Not just in terms of an upgrade in talent and to rid themselves of their contracts but just to clear roster space. If they bring back Staal that leaves them with 5 D under contract, let alone if they bring back Girardi (which I don't think they should) that would give them a full 6. However, ridding themselves of Redden/Rozi also opens up a decent chunk of cap space which I think in this instance could be used for either a FA signing or to take on salary from another team since there's very little impact talent coming from the system for this upcoming season.

They've done a better job of integrating homegrown guys into their lineup since the lockout. Obviously a lot of that is done out of necessity but they need to avoid taking on another killer contract.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Typical reactionary stupid media. I've watched every Penguins game this playoff and at no point did I ever go "Come on, Malkin, step it up!"

Malkin seems to perpetually get the short end of the stick in Pittsburgh, at least in the media. I'm sure the fans love him, but I've read way too much negative press coming out of Pitt compared to what the guy has delivered in basically the same amount of time as Crosby. Look at the Pens stats without Malkin (but Crosby in the lineup) and then without Crosby (but Malkin playing) and I believe the Pens are much better in the latter situation.

[Joe A.]

Hey, good news on Beltran finally!

[Lunkwill Fook]

Agreed. And while I'd rather jettison Redden (Rozy is not a horrible Dman. Just overpaid), Rozy is probably the most moveable. I want to se Staal paired with MDZ next season and Gilroy with a solid defensive dman. I think that'll go a long way in solidifying the D and opening up the youngsters to use their offensive skill. But we need a playmaking 1st line center in the worst way.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Hey, good news on Beltran finally!

What's that?

[Joe A.]

Carlos Beltran (knee) told the New York Post on Monday that he will begin running by the end of next week.

Beltran has been taking batting practice for over a week, but has yet to truly test his surgically-repaired knee. "Physically, I'm in good shape. I feel strong. ... I'm looking forward to running outside and doing things related to baseball, like in a game. Running is the thing that will dictate everything." Once he's able to sprint with ease, a rehab assignment will be prescribed. The Mets are hoping he will be back in uniform by the middle of June. May. 4 - 8:54 am et

[Lunkwill Fook]

Oh and resigning Prust should be a top priority.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Middle of June? No fucking way.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Oh and resigning Prust should be a top priority.

I'd honestly give Prust Avery's job.

[Danny]

So he's still 6 weeks away? roffelz

[four3two1]

middle of June 2011

[Lunkwill Fook]

Well, Avery isn't going anywhere. I think there's another two years on his contract.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Better than "after the All star break", Danny.

[Rave]

What's Iggy's status?

[Danny]

I mean yeah, it's good news and all, but I thought he would be ready to play again once he started running before 6 weeks.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Iggy's status is suck. Honestly, I haven't heard a think about him yet.

[Rave]

He's not going to start running until the end of next week? A lot could happen in between.

Dude's gained a lot of weight though.

[Lunkwill Fook]

He's not going to start running until the end of next week? A lot could happen in between.

Dude's gained a lot of weight though.

Awwww, we have our very own fat toad!

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

He's not going to start running until the end of next week? A lot could happen in between.

Dude's gained a lot of weight though.

Somebody check out to see if his thyroid is in balance.

[Rave]

Offense suck aside, I was encouraged by Ollie's start last night. If Johnny could build on his last start tonight, we may not need to denude the farm for Oswalt.

[Lunkwill Fook]

The good thing is that Ollie's velocity seemed to actually start going up as he went on. Towards the end, he was hitting 90-91 more consistently. Maybe he just needs to build up his arm strength for some reason (poor conditioning)?

[Rave]

Honestly, Tron looked uncomfortably Carlos Lee-ish. Lee-esque?

==

Reyes needs a month of steak and potatoes meals.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Honestly, Tron looked uncomfortably Carlos Lee-ish. Lee-esque?

==

Reyes needs a month of steak and potatoes meals.

Unfortunately, I imagine he's been restricted workout-wise for a while now.

[Lunkwill Fook]

So, apparently Jerry thinks Ike has been struggling....

....

I think we're going to see Mike Jacobs again.

[Rave]

Didn't take Hojo long to break Ike, huh? Kid comes up with impressive plate discipline, and now he's hacking over breaking pitches.

(I like the Wolverine look though.)

[Dep]

w00t


FX renewed the drama series Justified with a 13-episode second season order even with six new episodes yet to air in season one. Starring Timothy Olyphant, Justified to date has averaged 3.4 million total viewers and 1.7 million A18-49 viewers through seven weeks with first-run episodes. The series airs Tuesdays at 10p and the season one finale is slated for June 8.

[Lunkwill Fook]

By the way, Happy International Star Wars Day!

[lucienlc]

What's Iggy's status?

Last I heard on Iggy was that he was "playing catch". Whatever the hell that means.

[Lunkwill Fook]

It got all quiet.

[Ed in Westchester]

who is "iggy"

Irigashi?

[Lunkwill Fook]

I thought it was Igarashi.

[Ed in Westchester]

I thought it was Igarashi.

ah, who gives a fuck, he's still shitty

[sweetlew]

Offense suck aside, I was encouraged by Ollie's start last night. If Johnny could build on his last start tonight, we may not need to denude the farm for Oswalt.

You mean Ollie 10 base runners in 6 IP is how we should measure "encouraging"?

Pretty sad that that is the standard!

[Lunkwill Fook]

Too high! Too high!!!

[Lunkwill Fook]

Lew, if Ollie can continue to give us #3-#4 starter type numbers for the rest of the season, I'll be happy.

[sweetlew]

Reese Havens went deep yesterday.

Finally playing and swinging a good stick.

I wonder how long before he gets moved to AA

[sweetlew]

Lew, if Ollie can continue to give us #3-#4 starter type numbers for the rest of the season, I'll be happy.

10 base runners in 6 inning is rarely only going to result in 2 runs.

Yes, he went 6 and only gave up two runs -- he also gave up 6 hits and walked 4, while only striking out 4.

One ground ball through the hole and it is 4 runs in 6 innings

Was he better, yes.

But only marginally so

[Lunkwill Fook]

I don't understand why he's not there already.

[Lunkwill Fook]

I don't know what you expect out of a fourth starter but 3-4 runs in six innings is just about right.

[Ed in Westchester]

10 base runners in 6 inning is rarely only going to result in 2 runs.

Yes, he went 6 and only gave up two runs -- he also gave up 6 hits and walked 4, while only striking out 4.

One ground ball through the hole and it is 4 runs in 6 innings

Was he better, yes.

But only marginally so

And if Reyes gets to that one grounder, he only gives up 1 run. (And Kudos to Kings for atoning for that the next inning)
I saw some encouraging signs. He didn't wilt under the pressure, unlike the past, and some other pitchers over the weekend.
He was throwing harder (I saw some 92 readings)

Baby steps.

He's never going to be a #2 starter. But if he can continue to improve, we could have a real solid #4 (which is where he is lined up right now)


In other news, Castillo still sucks. His range is fucking awful.

[sweetlew]

This I agree with


Baby steps.

I saw too much hype about how well Ollie pitched last night.

A WHIP of 1.67 is not good.

[sweetlew]

I don't understand why he's not there already.

Because he was hurt and is coming back from extended spring training.

He had one of the highest OPS's in the FSL last year, so if he stays healthy I imagine the promotion will come soon.

[sweetlew]

When Davis led off the 7th with a double and Frenchy moved him over, I was thinking -- how awesome it would be to have Carter available to pinch hit here!

I will throw last night's loss at Omar's feet for having two players in AAA (Pridie and Carter) who are substantially better than two bench players in the bigs (GMJ and Cat)

[sweetlew]

Well -- the good news is my 401k rollover money hit the IRA today, and it is a good day to buy stocks.

I got that going for me!

[Lunkwill Fook]

Is Pridie really better than GMjr? I think they're both suck.

[Dep]

reyes and castillo both misplayed balls that should've been outs

8 runners in 6 innings is sub 1.4

to poop on ollie without a mention of context is a tad unfair imo

misplays are part of the game, but if you're gonna base it all on WHIP, then the WHIP must be looked at in depth IMNSHO

and i think one BB was an IBB, that may be wrong tho. i cant recall for sure

[Lunkwill Fook]

What's Ollie's xFIP so far this season?

[sweetlew]

Is Pridie really better than GMjr? I think they're both suck.

Pridie is a plus defender -- maybe plus plus

He is a really good base runner

He will never be more than a #4/5 outfielder because his K-rate (even in AAA) is really high.

But outside the K's, he has decent #'s in Buffalo -- a .767 OPS.

Supposedly his defense is nearly Endy-esque

[sweetlew]

Is Pridie really better than GMjr? I think they're both suck.

And, frankly, I think I could hit better than GMJ these days, and he is even younger than me!

[Dep]

FIP 4.11
xFIP 5.21 tho

guess he's not giving up homers like he should be or something

4.11 is the lowest FIP for him since that pirates GOD year LOL

[sweetlew]

reyes and castillo both misplayed balls that should've been outs

8 runners in 6 innings is sub 1.4

to poop on ollie without a mention of context is a tad unfair imo

misplays are part of the game, but if you're gonna base it all on WHIP, then the WHIP must be looked at in depth IMNSHO

and i think one BB was an IBB, that may be wrong tho. i cant recall for sure

I didn't see the game live, so I didn't know about the miscues -- which is a fair point.

I would gladly take a 1.4 WHIP from Ollie.

Gladly!

[Lunkwill Fook]

Well, pitchers are outhitting GMjr these days.

[Lunkwill Fook]

How much of the homers thing is a product of pitching in Citi?

[Lunkwill Fook]

By the way, I continue to hate Adobe. Installing Adobe Creative Suite 4 has taken over an hour already.

[Dep]

I didn't see the game live, so I didn't know about the miscues -- which is a fair point.

I would gladly take a 1.4 WHIP from Ollie.

Gladly!

yea dude, agreed

i would straight shoot if he sucked, he was better than that. not great but passable

butttt the best part to me was there was life to his fastball and he seemed to gain confidence in it. LET THAT STAY. both the velocity and the confidence. he blew a few ppl away, long time since we've seen ollie do that!

[sweetlew]

How much of the homers thing is a product of pitching in Citi?

Even in the games where Ollie has given up a ton of runs, I can't recall him getting hit hard.

He walks the world and gets nickled and dimed to death

[Dep]

By the way, I continue to hate Adobe. Installing Adobe Creative Suite 4 has taken over an hour already.

Adobe Acrobat 9 is killing me right now. its supposed to be able to convert PDFs into .DOCs and its just god awful at doing it

[Lunkwill Fook]

And Ollie was victimized by a shitty strikezone yesterday as well.

[Dep]

we really needed to win that game last nite

the offense is just back to sucking hardcore right now

we got a gift run and basically only scored 1 on our own. we were never scoring again. Acosta saved us hours of more baseball lol

[Dep]

How much of the homers thing is a product of pitching in Citi?

could be, you'd think xFIP would take that into account somehow, but i'm not quite sure how they do it. i just know home run volatility is the main factor in xFIP

[Lunkwill Fook]

Yeah converting pdf's to doc's has never been an exact science. People never believe me when I say it can't be done with just Word.

[sweetlew]

Ollie has only given up 1 HR this year.

Where can you find his total XBH's or line drive % ?

[Lunkwill Fook]

Is it possible that they're looking at GB/FB percentage and looking at the average major league HR/FB and seeing that Ollie's is dangerously low?

[sweetlew]

we really needed to win that game last nite

the offense is just back to sucking hardcore right now

we got a gift run and basically only scored 1 on our own. we were never scoring again. Acosta saved us hours of more baseball lol

It was good to see the offense be a no show.

I still say if Carter could have pinch hit with Davis on third and one out -- we would have won the game.

How freaking pathetic is our front office!

[Lunkwill Fook]

Lew, B-r does them now if you go to "more stats".

[sweetlew]

Ollie's slugging percentage against is .347; so he is not getting hit hard.

Most of the hits he gives up are singles -- 6 XBHs -- 3 2b, 2 3b, and 1 HR.

So, on 25 hits, he has only given up 35 total bases.

His problem is the 18 walks in 26 IP

[Dep]

Ollie LD% 18.8% (career 19.6%)

i found the WOWZIE stat

HR/FB 2010: 3.2%
Career average 11.3%

there's your xFIP!

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Ollie's only homer was to Stubbs?

[Dep]

he's also getting A LOT more grounders and less fly balls than usual

sooooo less FBs than normal and less HRs as a subset of those FBs than normal

[sweetlew]

Lew, B-r does them now if you go to "more stats".

Yeah just found that! ;)

Also -- here is some good news:

Olile's BABIP against is .296 so far this year.

While that is around his career average, it is 20 points higher than what he did in 2008 and 2007.

[Dep]

Ollie's only homer was to Stubbs?

yea i guess so lol

surprising

[Dep]

GB%/FB%

2010: 42.5%/38.8%
Career: 33.0%/47.4%

[sweetlew]

he's also getting A LOT more grounders and less fly balls than usual

sooooo less FBs than normal and less HRs as a subset of those FBs than normal

I think this is actually a product of his seemingly changed approach-- who knows with this guy

[Dep]

It was good to see the offense be a no show.

I still say if Carter could have pinch hit with Davis on third and one out -- we would have won the game.

How freaking pathetic is our front office!

drives me fucking batty that Frank Cat is on this team over Carter

thank god for his versatility all those times we needed Cat in the field

BLAGH!

[Dep]

I think this is actually a product of his seemingly changed approach-- who knows with this guy

sure could be

[Dep]

I love fangraphs data pages

the best part is the "show averages" - and it adds a line so you can compare your guy to NL/MLB averages (not sure which)

deppy love that shit. they sadly dont have it on every data set, wish they did!

[sweetlew]

HAHAHAHA

GMJ's OPS+ is 16.

16

Do you think it will ahve to go negative before he is cut?

[Dep]

HAHAHAHA

GMJ's OPS+ is 16.

16

Do you think it will ahve to go negative before he is cut?

what a homo! god i hate him

[Dep]

thank god jerry sat pagan that one game for junyah

now pagan looked like shit last nite lol

[sweetlew]

I would say that Carter and Pridie over GMJ and Cat would add at least 2 wins

Maybe more.

There has to be something to Pridie -- he was the Rays second round pick, and Minnesota got him from Tampa twice -- they picked him in the Rule V and then returned him and then they got him in the Young-Garza trade

He doesn't make consistent contact, but his defense would be a very nice addition to the bench

[sweetlew]

thank god jerry sat pagan that one game for junyah

now pagan looked like shit last nite lol

If I were Jerry I would tell Omar I am starting GMJ every day until you release him.

Afterall, Omar's job is just as much at stake as Jerry's.

And Jerry will get another shot to manage before Omar gets another shot at GM.

[Lunkwill Fook]

I think this is actually a product of his seemingly changed approach-- who knows with this guy

What noticeably has he changed about his approach? It seems to me he's still throwing the same fastball and following it up with the same slider.

[Dep]

.
Mike Pettine was asked about Cory Reamer and his knowledge of the game.

Reamer’s ability to grasp the Jets’ intricate playbook sold Rex Ryan and Pettine. They were convinced the 6-3, 231-pound linebacker deserved to stick around.

“You run into guys like that every now and again,” Pettine said. “His timed speed isn’t great. But there’s guys that make up for it by being instinctive and understanding football. They might not be as fast as the guy they’re competing with, but they get to the spot at the same time, because they recognized it quicker….(When) you watched him on tape, he didn’t really fit in athletically with the rest of that Alabama group. But here’s a guy that’s out there and all he’s doing is his job. He’s a guy that I wouldn’t be shocked ends up being a great coach one day. He’s really understands it.”

So, brains versus brawn. While Reamer has received a lot of attention mostly due to Rex Ryan’s effusive praise, it’s still so early that it’s hard to really know whether his (as Pettine more or less puts it) lack of athleticism will end up being too much for the Jets to find a spot for him. It’s good that the coaches have taken a liking to him, but there’s not a lot of roster spots going to be available at linebacker, so he’s going to have to work even harder to stick around.

[sweetlew]

What noticeably has he changed about his approach? It seems to me he's still throwing the same fastball and following it up with the same slider.

Maybe it is just his reduced velocity that makes his approach look different!

I am a little disadvantaged because I catch 90% of the games on radio / game cast and don't get to watch them live

[sweetlew]

I would rather have a ILB who is in the correct position every play than one who needs an explosive step because he can't read the defenses.

I think Reamer will be a solid reserve / special teams guy at least

[Dep]

ya, we got enough uber-talented guys with no brains

lets balance it out with a high brain guy ;)

[Dep]

If the owners n PA allow there to be a lockout next season, they are beyond retarded

football is a money making machine right now, why even risk it. work your shit out!

[sweetlew]

If the owners n PA allow there to be a lockout next season, they are beyond retarded

football is a money making machine right now, why even risk it. work your shit out!

Fun Fact:

I know DeMaurice Smith -- the lawyer heading the PA

He was a big wig at my old firm and I did some work for him -- he is a smart, smart man -- too smart to let this fall apart

[Dep]

Fun Fact:

I know DeMaurice Smith -- the lawyer heading the PA

He was a big wig at my old firm and I did some work for him -- he is a smart, smart man -- too smart to let this fall apart

ha, get out. that's cool

i dont know man, everything i read says its coming, i hope they all wrong!

a year without the NFL would make me cry. especially when we're getting good FINALLY

[Lunkwill Fook]

Fun Fact:

I know DeMaurice Smith -- the lawyer heading the PA

He was a big wig at my old firm and I did some work for him -- he is a smart, smart man -- too smart to let this fall apart

But... but... he's a LAWYER.

:)

[Joe A.]

drives me fucking batty that Frank Cat is on this team over Carter

thank god for his versatility all those times we needed Cat in the field

BLAGH!

I don't think versatility was ever a big part of the decision to keep Cat. It was much more about experience. The Mets have a strong prefernce for veterans on the bench instead of young guys. And I think most teams have the same philosophy.

I'm fine with keeping the vet if the 2 players are close in terms of talent and production. I would have kept Carter over Cat, Jacobs and Murphy, but based on Cat's track record, keeping him over Carter wasn't that unreasonable of a choice. The guy is a career .291 hitter who has had success as pinch-hitter. The real question is, how long do you stick with him? 21 ABs isn't much of a chance, but he really has shown nothing.

As for GMJ, he would be much easier to dump, but the options to replace him aren't as strong either.

[Dep]

uh lunk, did you get a reported spam/post email?

[CatchDog]

drives me fucking batty that Frank Cat is on this team over Carter

Frank Catalanotto; age 36. Current average .143, OPB .182, SLG .191. OPS .372. Zero home runs with 1 walk and 4 strike outs.

Chris Carter, age 27. Current average .348, OPB .408, SLG .607, OPS 1.015. 4 home runs, 17 RBIs. Has 7 walks and 8 strike outs.

[sweetlew]

I don't think versatility was ever a big part of the decision to keep Cat. It was much more about experience. The Mets have a strong prefernce for veterans on the bench instead of young guys. And I think most teams have the same philosophy.

I'm fine with keeping the vet if the 2 players are close in terms of talent and production. I would have kept Carter over Cat, Jacobs and Murphy, but based on Cat's track record, keeping him over Carter wasn't that unreasonable of a choice. The guy is a career .291 hitter who has had success as pinch-hitter. The real question is, how long do you stick with him? 21 ABs isn't much of a chance, but he really has shown nothing.

As for GMJ, he would be much easier to dump, but the options to replace him aren't as strong either.

Pridie is a vastly superior defender to GMJ -- his offense wouldn't be any worst, so he is addition based on defense alone -- plus he is an excellent base runner.

The only advantage Cat has over Carter is the ability to play CF, Cat hasn't been a good hitter for about 3 years.

[Dep]

We will continue this in a lil bit

LUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNCH

[sweetlew]

We will continue this in a lil bit

LUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNCH

Sounds like a plan!

[CatchDog]

What noticeably has he changed about his approach? It seems to me he's still throwing the same fastball and following it up with the same slider.

One word : Barajas.

[Lunkwill Fook]

uh lunk, did you get a reported spam/post email?

From what? Didn't see anything.

[Lunkwill Fook]

One word : Barajas.

I don't see how a catcher can turn a flyball pitcher into a ground ball pitcher without actually changing the pitches themselves.

[Joe A.]

Pridie is a vastly superior defender to GMJ -- his offense wouldn't be any worst, so he is addition based on defense alone -- plus he is an excellent base runner.

The only advantage Cat has over Carter is the ability to play CF, Cat hasn't been a good hitter for about 3 years.

Cat can't play CF any more than Carter can. But he had a .340+ OBP each of the last 2 years with OPS+ of 95. That is pretty damn good for a PH/bench player. If we were getting that from him now, I think we'd be pretty happy with it.

[Ed in Westchester]

ya, we got enough uber-talented guys with no brains

lets balance it out with a high brain guy ;)

you talking about the Mets or Jets?

[Joe A.]

Pridie is a vastly superior defender to GMJ -- his offense wouldn't be any worst, so he is addition based on defense alone -- plus he is an excellent base runner.

By the way, what are you basing the defense/base running thing on? Pridie has good speed, so he might also be a good base runner, but I've never heard anything one way or another about that. And I thought he looked pretty bad defensively this spring. Is he really supposed to be good?

[Dave Magadan]

Sup all! The thing is late in a game down by a run who would you rather have up right now Cat or Carter? And Carter hasnt even played at the ML level that much.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Sup all! The thing is late in a game down by a run who would you rather have up right now Cat or Carter? And Carter hasnt even played at the ML level that much.

I think the problem is Cat has played at the ML level TOO much.

[Dave Magadan]

I didnt catch last nights game so I didnt see OLlies performance but I would think only 2 runs is a lot better than we've got from him the past year. Two runs is keeping the team in it. Thats about as much as we can get from him. Its a lot better than what Johan and Pelfrey did over the weekend.

[CatchDog]

I don't see how a catcher can turn a flyball pitcher into a ground ball pitcher without actually changing the pitches themselves.

Ollie's mechanics appear to be better or more consistent. I assume also that he's healthier than last season. Perhaps these reasons have something to do with it. But I know that both Barajas and Blanco have factored into all of the pitching improvements. I don't think I've seen one of our pitchers shake off a sign yet.

Also, this season has been the worst for umpire inconsistencies. The strike zone changes by the inning. I think it has a little to do with our walk totals but hopefully the staff improves. What's ironic is walks are an issue at every level, all the way down to Savannah.

[Joe A.]

Sup all! The thing is late in a game down by a run who would you rather have up right now Cat or Carter? And Carter hasnt even played at the ML level that much.

Based on what we have seen from Cat, that is an easy choice - Carter. And I would rather have Pridie up there than GMJ. I'm not convinced that the results would be any better, but you'll never know until you try it.

[Dave Magadan]

Agreed Joe. Even if its for a 6 week period. He may play a little above his head. We can DFA GMJ (no one would claim him) in case Beltran is longer than 6 weeks.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Ollie's mechanics appear to be better or more consistent. I assume also that he's healthier than last season. Perhaps these reasons have something to do with it. But I know that both Barajas and Blanco have factored into all of the pitching improvements. I don't think I've seen one of our pitchers shake off a sign yet.

Also, this season has been the worst for umpire inconsistencies. The strike zone changes by the inning. I think it has a little to do with our walk totals but hopefully the staff improves. What's ironic is walks are an issue at every level, all the way down to Savannah.

I buy that but what we were discussing was the change from Ollie the flyball pitcher to Ollie the groundball pitcher. What technique would cause that to happen with the same fastball and the same slider?

[Dave Magadan]

I feel like Carter can be an Adam Dunn type player. Tons of power shitty D but in the end help you win games. Not that I would want him to start. But would be great off the bench playing first of OF

[Joe A.]

Agreed Joe. Even if its for a 6 week period. He may play a little above his head. We can DFA GMJ (no one would claim him) in case Beltran is longer than 6 weeks.

Well I don't think there's any chance GMJ would accept a demotion to AAA, but we could go out and find another crappy back-up if Pridie can't cut it and Beltran or Pagan is out.

[C Low's Doppelganger]

what up geeks.

oh well, we lost in extras. At least Ollie wasn't the reason.

[Joe A.]

I feel like Carter can be an Adam Dunn type player. Tons of power shitty D but in the end help you win games. Not that I would want him to start. But would be great off the bench playing first of OF

Except Carter doesn't K, hits for a high average, and doesn't have anywhere near Dunn's power. But the part about shitty D is probably true! Again, I don't think we'll ever know what we've got in Carter until we give him a chance.

[Lunkwill Fook]

I feel like Carter can be an Adam Dunn type player. Tons of power shitty D but in the end help you win games. Not that I would want him to start. But would be great off the bench playing first of OF

Actually, according to his minor league numbers, Carter ain't half bad in the outfield. Certainly not Adam Dunn bad.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Lunch!

[Dave Magadan]

Well either way it would be good to give him a good look since our bench is terrible. Tatis, Cat, and GMJ are shitty.

[Joe A.]

Actually, according to his minor league numbers, Carter ain't half bad in the outfield. Certainly not Adam Dunn bad.

I think major league defensive numbers are a load of crap, so you can imagine my opinion of minor league defensive numbers.

But we are basing our opinions of his D mostly on reputation - and since he hasn't played in the majors, who's opinion are we relying on? I mean, who has consistently seen him play? Some minor league scouts who probably don't see him more than a handful of times per season?

[Joe A.]

Well either way it would be good to give him a good look since our bench is terrible. Tatis, Cat, and GMJ are shitty.

I'm fine with Tatis. We need a RH pinch-hitter, and Tatis has done a good job there (last night not withstanding). Our best options to replace him are probably Evans or Hessman. Not the most exciting options.

[fatt lipp]

heehee (http://www.nleastchatter.com/realdirtymets/2010/05/04/beltran-rumored-to-be-1st-to-get-protective-suit/)

[sweetlew]

By the way, what are you basing the defense/base running thing on? Pridie has good speed, so he might also be a good base runner, but I've never heard anything one way or another about that. And I thought he looked pretty bad defensively this spring. Is he really supposed to be good?

I read a few Twins blogs on him, and his defense is supposedly top notch.

Many Twins fans were surprised he was waived.

He has 7 steals with 2 CS in Buffalo so far.

In any event, it doesn't take much to be a better defender than GMJ

[sweetlew]

Speaking of turning ground ball pitchers into fly ball pitchers -- did you all catch this:


Eddie Kunz made his best start of the year, holding Erie to two runs, one earned in six innings without walking, one single, solitary batter. He also struck out seven. As Nick astutely pointed out last night, Kunz was doing something differently and not just because he was throwing strikes: he recorded just one groundball out and nine flyball outs.

I don't know what I am more shocked about -- 0 walks or only one ground out

[four3two1]

I'm fine with Tatis. We need a RH pinch-hitter, and Tatis has done a good job there (last night not withstanding). Our best options to replace him are probably Evans or Hessman. Not the most exciting options.

sorry but my unreasonable hatred for Tatis continues

atleast until he hits two grandslams in one inning again


against the phillies


at CBP


When I'm at the game.






h8Utatis

[sweetlew]

sorry but my unreasonable hatred for Tatis continues

atleast until he hits two grandslams in one inning again


against the phillies


at CBP


When I'm at the game.





h8Utatis

At least you admit that it is unreasonable --- because it is.....he is actually a damn good bench player

[Lunkwill Fook]

Tatis got especially screwed by the strike zone last night.

[four3two1]

At least you admit that it is unreasonable --- because it is.....he is actually a damn good bench player


i freely admit its unreasonable. in my mind he's forever associated with rally killing game ending soul crushing double play ground balls

[sweetlew]

i freely admit its unreasonable. in my mind he's forever associated with rally killing game ending soul crushing double play ground balls

His GIDP rate last year was redonkulous!

His GB% wasn't any higher, but his GIDP was like twice his career average

[Tim]

that dude getting the tazer last night was hilarious...the player reactions were priceless.

[sweetlew]

that dude getting the tazer last night was hilarious...the player reactions were priceless.

How much you think his buddies ponyed up to get him to do that?

[Lunkwill Fook]

How much you think his buddies ponyed up to get him to do that?

Not enough.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Times Square bombing suspect Faisal Shahzad admitted involvement in the attack, Attorney General Eric Holder says. .

[CatchDog]

I buy that but what we were discussing was the change from Ollie the flyball pitcher to Ollie the groundball pitcher. What technique would cause that to happen with the same fastball and the same slider?

I'm going to say pitch location and selection from Barajas. Keeping the ball low in the zone as well as knowing hitters tendencies could bring about the change in Ollie's fly ball to ground ball ratio.

Now if only Johan would follow suit.

[sweetlew]

I would like 15 minutes alone with Mr. Shahzad.

I have two good friend who work very close to his attempted bombing site.

[Bob A. Booey]

. so it was you or one of your cousins ????? if you come clean here the mets will win tonight !!! :)

[Lunkwill Fook]

Just imagine if he'd had the brains to actually make a working bomb....

[Lunkwill Fook]

Dude, my cousins could make a bomb. The problem is: cars don't wear underwear.

[Bob A. Booey]

GOOD POINT ,,,,, :)

[Dep]

I would like 15 minutes alone with Mr. Shahzad.

I have two good friend who work very close to his attempted bombing site.

My mom was eating in a restaurant right there

i was not happy

[Lunkwill Fook]

The good thing about these Jihadists is that while their leaders might have some brains, the guys they get to actually do the deeds tend to be dumb as rocks.

[sweetlew]

Just imagine if he'd had the brains to actually make a working bomb....

This is twice in 5 months that a terror attack was blown by the would be terrorist.

If their execution was better, both would have been pulled off

[Ed in Westchester]

Times Square bombing suspect Faisal Shahzad admitted involvement in the attack, Attorney General Eric Holder says.
.

lock him up and throw away the key.

[sweetlew]

The good thing about these Jihadists is that while their leaders might have some brains, the guys they get to actually do the deeds tend to be dumb as rocks.

well.....how smart of a person can you recruit to be a homicide bomber?

Not to mention, how smart can you be to fall for this bullshit?

[sweetlew]

lock him up and throw away the key.

I think we can come up with much, much, much better options than this

[Ed in Westchester]

My mom was eating in a restaurant right there

i was not happy

my wife was in the same courthouse they brought that scumbag to for his hearing this morning.

Security was quite tight.

[Bob A. Booey]

man so we stink again and no one posts huh ???

[Ed in Westchester]

I think we can come up with much, much, much better options than this

just trying to not get banned by El Jefe

[Dep]

my wife was in the same courthouse they brought that scumbag to for his hearing this morning.

Security was quite tight.

craziness

i bet

[Dep]

just trying to not get banned by El Jefe

lol

in retrospect, we should have sacrificed someone b4 the weekend series. shit has been downhill since

[Lunkwill Fook]

well.....how smart of a person can you recruit to be a homicide bomber?

Not to mention, how smart can you be to fall for this bullshit?

That's exactly the saving grace here. I mean, there's really nothing keeping a relatively smart (albeit crazy) person from building a real bomb and detonating it in Times Square. Nothing. I mean, what can you do? Search every car that comes into the country?

We're going to get hit by another terrorist attack and there really isn't anything we can do about it.

[sweetlew]

just trying to not get banned by El Jefe

If I was in charge, I wouldn't kill the would be terrorist.

I would kill his mother and sisters, followed by the rest of his family.

This is probably why i am not in charge

[Bob A. Booey]

The good thing about these Jihadists is that while their leaders might have some brains, the guys they get to actually do the deeds tend to be dumb as rocks. there was a real good movi traitir with don cheadle anybody see it ,, ???

[Tim]

How much you think his buddies ponyed up to get him to do that?

from what I read, he called his dad to ask for permission, and did it on his own, he's supposedly going to Penn.

[Dep]

there was a real good movi traitir with don cheadle anybody see it ,, ???

yea i saw it

very good

[Ed in Westchester]

lol

in retrospect, we should have sacrificed someone b4 the weekend series. shit has been downhill since

I blame CHiP

[sweetlew]

That's exactly the saving grace here. I mean, there's really nothing keeping a relatively smart (albeit crazy) person from building a real bomb and detonating it in Times Square. Nothing. I mean, what can you do? Search every car that comes into the country?

We're going to get hit by another terrorist attack and there really isn't anything we can do about it.

Not just jihadists either --- McVeigh built a bomb out of fertilizer and diesel fuel

[Ed in Westchester]

If I was in charge, I wouldn't kill the would be terrorist.

I would kill his mother and sisters, followed by the rest of his family.

This is probably why i am not in charge

KEYSER SOZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dep]

the image of him getting chased and about to get tased is avatar worthy

[Tim]

light the bomb Mimsy

[sweetlew]

from what I read, he called his dad to ask for permission, and did it on his own, he's supposedly going to Penn.

Figures -- freaking Ivy Leaguers don't have the common sense of a squirrel

[Tim]

If I was in charge, I wouldn't kill the would be terrorist.

I would kill his mother and sisters, followed by the rest of his family.

This is probably why i am not in charge

you going all KGB on em?

[Ed in Westchester]

Figures -- freaking Ivy Leaguers don't have the common sense of a squirrel

would be interesting to see if Penn now says "you know what, you are a complete fucking moron. admittance is revoked"
and his father should be beaten for saying "sure son, run across the field"

Anyone who is dumb enough to do something like that deserves to get the snot kicked out of them, or tased.

[sweetlew]

KEYSER SOZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He would run my Dept of Homeland Security.

[sweetlew]

would be interesting to see if Penn now says "you know what, you are a complete fucking moron. admittance is revoked"
and his father should be beaten for saying "sure son, run across the field"

Anyone who is dumb enough to do something like that deserves to get the snot kicked out of them, or tased.

I have no problem with what he did --- but he did deserve to get tased and a beat down.

I find stupidity entertaining ............ why do you think I hang out here?

[Dep]

lol....

http://www.tatertrottracker.com/

[CatchDog]

Changes can affect a team. When Ike was brought up (or Timmy banned), the team went on a roll. Granted, they had some lucky breaks and perhaps faced some shitty teams but they took advantage of the situations and came out on top. Something was there that previously wasn't.

I believe that today would have been a great time to add change. The offense is dismal right now and we're going against a pitcher that has pnwed us. Today would be the perfect day to bring up Chris Carter. I don't know Bay's or Frenchy's numbers against Arroyo but I'd be willing to bet that adding Carter to the lineup tonight would jumpstart this team.

[Dep]

Catchdog for mayor!

[four3two1]

i may be wrong in this, but doesn't the FBI and the other alphabet agencies keep a farily tight watch on the materials (particularly the explosives) needed to construct a bomb?

Thats why most of the terrorists are stuck using the shitty materials that craps out.


Also why 9/11 was dones using planes, and not bombs.

[Bob A. Booey]

ok ok off to a meeting more later ,,,,, i am sure jerr is coming up with a plan for toight !!! :)

[Rave]

lol

in retrospect, we should have sacrificed someone b4 the weekend series. shit has been downhill since

Hey, I volunteered for a weekend banning.

Since I almost never post on weekends, it woudabeen a Volquezian suspension.

[Tim]

Changes can affect a team. When Ike was brought up (or Timmy banned), the team went on a roll. Granted, they had some lucky breaks and perhaps faced some shitty teams but they took advantage of the situations and came out on top. Something was there that previously wasn't.

I believe that today would have been a great time to add change. The offense is dismal right now and we're going against a pitcher that has pnwed us. Today would be the perfect day to bring up Chris Carter. I don't know Bay's or Frenchy's numbers against Arroyo but I'd be willing to bet that adding Carter to the lineup tonight would jumpstart this team.

To be honest, you lost when I was banned, won when I came back..

[sweetlew]

i may be wrong in this, but doesn't the FBI and the other alphabet agencies keep a farily tight watch on the materials (particularly the explosives) needed to construct a bomb?

Thats why most of the terrorists are stuck using the shitty materials that craps out.


Also why 9/11 was dones using planes, and not bombs.

When you buy fertilizer with a high nitrogen content (the one that makes the biggest BOOM) you have to show an ID and fill out a form which gets sent to the FBI

You also can only buy 50 lbs at a time.

[Lunkwill Fook]

i may be wrong in this, but doesn't the FBI and the other alphabet agencies keep a farily tight watch on the materials (particularly the explosives) needed to construct a bomb?

Thats why most of the terrorists are stuck using the shitty materials that craps out.


Also why 9/11 was dones using planes, and not bombs.

To a degree. If you buy a shit load of fertilizer, you'll end up on the watch list. But if you, say, get ten guys to each go out and buy a single large bag of fertilizer and, say, a propane tank, who's going to notice?

[CatchDog]

lock him up and throw away the key.

Put him in a cage in Times Square. Charge $10.00 or so and allow people to throw tomatoes at him 24/7/365. Donate the millions to the WTC Victims Fund.

Oh, and only let the dude eat tomatoes for the rest of his life.

[four3two1]

When you buy fertilizer with a high nitrogen content (the one that makes the biggest BOOM) you have to show an ID and fill out a form which gets sent to the FBI

You also can only buy 50 lbs at a time.

yah. most explosive substances are pretty highly controlled. fertilizer is probably the easiest to get. and even that, not too easy.

[Dep]

Hey, I volunteered for a weekend banning.

Since I almost never post on weekends, it woudabeen a Volquezian suspension.

oh snap, i think i missed you volunteering! lol

if we're still sucking by this friday, we will revisit! :)

[sweetlew]

Marte hit his first HR today.

Decent afternoon as Savannah smacked around Delmarva.

That team has a pretty solid offense.

Our only offensively inept team seems to be St Lucie --- when Havens gets bumped up to AA, there will be no offensive player worth watching on that team

[Lunkwill Fook]

Marte hit his first HR today.

Decent afternoon as Savannah smacked around Delmarva.

That team has a pretty solid offense.

Our only offensively inept team seems to be St Lucie --- when Havens gets bumped up to AA, there will be no offensive player worth watching on that team

Until Wilmer gets bumped up.

[four3two1]

To a degree. If you buy a shit load of fertilizer, you'll end up on the watch list. But if you, say, get ten guys to each go out and buy a single large bag of fertilizer and, say, a propane tank, who's going to notice?

people start buying tons of fertilizers in the same time period in the same geographic vicinity, with arabic sounding names. it sets alarms off.

[sweetlew]

To a degree. If you buy a shit load of fertilizer, you'll end up on the watch list. But if you, say, get ten guys to each go out and buy a single large bag of fertilizer and, say, a propane tank, who's going to notice?

You need to really high nitrogen fertilizer to make a bomb --- and a lot of it.

This isn't stuff you buy at the local Home Depot

I think McVeigh had like 2000 lbs of fertilizer --- that's a lot of 50 lbs bags!

[sweetlew]

people start buying tons of fertilizers in the same time period in the same geographic vicinity, with arabic sounding names. it sets alarms off.

You mean like "McVeigh" or "Nichols"?

[Dep]

yea, st lucie's hitting roster is mad boring. i think of that every time i peep the boxes

yay for marte. he's going to beast

[sweetlew]

yea, st lucie's hitting roster is mad boring. i think of that every time i peep the boxes

yay for marte. he's going to beast

The other guy who has been impressive is Puello -- his K:BB ratio is typical of a young latin player, but it seems to be improving -- he is another super toolsy guy who projects to be damn good.

Lagares is like Puello, but his plate discipline is really poor.

[four3two1]

You mean like "McVeigh" or "Nichols"?

acted alone, so it wouldn't be a group buying them. the same person buying tons of fertiilzer should set of alarms no matter what the origin of the name.



when you get a group of people like mcveigh and nichols coordinating and executing attacks, thats a home grown terrorist group....which is a whole other animal.

[Lunkwill Fook]

acted alone, so it wouldn't be a group buying them. the same person buying tons of fertiilzer should set of alarms no matter what the origin of the name.



when you get a group of people like mcveigh and nichols coordinating and executing attacks, thats a home grown terrorist group....which is a whole other animal.

Well, that's the idea, isn't it? If you can coordinate a bunch of people in a bunch of states, you could potentially get away with it. That's what I worry about: one of these Jihadist cells will actually grow some brain cells and figure it out.

[four3two1]

Well, that's the idea, isn't it? If you can coordinate a bunch of people in a bunch of states, you could potentially get away with it. That's what I worry about: one of these Jihadist cells will actually grow some brain cells and figure it out.

well if they're buying it in the same timeframe, and from the same geographic vicinity, i would hope the FBI's detecetion system is sophisticated enough to spot that.


and you're still left with the problem of transporation.

[Tim]

Well, that's the idea, isn't it? If you can coordinate a bunch of people in a bunch of states, you could potentially get away with it. That's what I worry about: one of these Jihadist cells will actually grow some brain cells and figure it out.

well quit giving em ideas, never know who reads this thing...

[Dep]

The other guy who has been impressive is Puello -- his K:BB ratio is typical of a young latin player, but it seems to be improving -- he is another super toolsy guy who projects to be damn good.

Lagares is like Puello, but his plate discipline is really poor.

Puello is someone to watch

wicked fast (jose fast allegedly, pre-2010 jose)

and supposedly has tools coming out da heiny

[Dep]

Well, that's the idea, isn't it? If you can coordinate a bunch of people in a bunch of states, you could potentially get away with it. That's what I worry about: one of these Jihadist cells will actually grow some brain cells and figure it out.

just like buying cold medicine from all over to cook meth

same concept more or less

[four3two1]

not to mention that they'd have to be damn lucky that the everyone in that cell was clean and not being monitored.

[Lunkwill Fook]

well if they're buying it in the same timeframe, and from the same geographic vicinity, i would hope the FBI's detecetion system is sophisticated enough to spot that.


and you're still left with the problem of transporation.

Well, what I'm saying is: what if you coordinate 20 cell members in 20 states which isn't out of the realm of possibility. So those 20 load 50 lbs of the dangerous fertilizer and drive it to the staging house in... I dunno... Yonkers.

All it would take is coordination and a little luck.

[Lunkwill Fook]

well quit giving em ideas, never know who reads this thing...

hahaha Well, the idea itself is obvious. It's just having the brains to be able to coordinate the thing. A lot could go wrong, thankfully.

I'm just saying I think it's inevitable that someone is going to get it right eventually.

[four3two1]

just like buying cold medicine from all over to cook meth

same concept more or less

except cold meds are OTC so no id needed. Explosives aren't.

[Lunkwill Fook]

except cold meds are OTC so no id needed. Explosives aren't.

Do you need an ID to buy a big propane tank?

[Lunkwill Fook]

DEAR FBI: I AM NOT A TERRORIST. JUST SO YOU KNOW.

[Dep]

except cold meds are OTC so no id needed. Explosives aren't.

is that tru?

dont you HAVE TO show ID in some cases?

I think Sudafed is an ID required purchase

[CatchDog]

yah. most explosive substances are pretty highly controlled. fertilizer is probably the easiest to get. and even that, not too easy.

So I guess going into a drugstore and asking for 10,000 marbles is completely out of the question.

[Ed in Westchester]

except cold meds are OTC so no id needed. Explosives aren't.

the ones used to make meth are now controlled. you need to ask the pharmacist.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Well, this explains a lot:


The suspect in the Times Square bombing attempt defaulted on a $200,000 mortgage on a Connecticut home and the Shelton property is now in foreclosure, according to court records.

The foreclosure records show that Faisal Shahzad took out the mortgage in 2004 and that he co-owned the home with a woman named Huma Mian.

Chase Home Finance LLC sued Shahzad, 30, in September to force the foreclosure. The case is pending in Milford Superior Court.

[four3two1]

Well, what I'm saying is: what if you coordinate 20 cell members in 20 states which isn't out of the realm of possibility. So those 20 load 50 lbs of the dangerous fertilizer and drive it to the staging house in... I dunno... Yonkers.

All it would take is coordination and a little luck.

i would still think that the FBI's equipment is sophisticated enough to detect lets say 10 individuals of islamic backgrounds brought fertilizer from 10 states in the north east US.

or maybe 5 out of the 20 people were recently in pakistan and had just gotten back and now they go out and buy fertilizer.

or just 1 out of the 20 is on a watch list and he goes out and buys the fertilizer.


add on top of that the logistics of getting everyone into the US, coordinated, transporting the fertilizer from 20 different states to one location and that not even 1 out of the 20 times nothing goes wrong....

[Lunkwill Fook]

i would still think that the FBI's equipment is sophisticated enough to detect lets say 10 individuals of islamic backgrounds brought fertilizer from 10 states in the north east US.

or maybe 5 out of the 20 people were recently in pakistan and had just gotten back and now they go out and buy fertilizer.

or just 1 out of the 20 is on a watch list and he goes out and buys the fertilizer.


add on top of that the logistics of getting everyone into the US, coordinated, transporting the fertilizer from 20 different states to one location and that not even 1 out of the 20 times nothing goes wrong....

I dunno. I think it's possible. Hard, but possible. Look at this guy: he already lived in the US. Dude used to work on Wall Street.

[sweetlew]

except cold meds are OTC so no id needed. Explosives aren't.

Have you bought medicine with pseud-ephedrine in it lately? ID is required

[four3two1]

I dunno. I think it's possible. Hard, but possible. Look at this guy: he already lived in the US. Dude used to work on Wall Street.

yeah but you're back to 1 guy acting alone, which brings us back to how does he get his hands on enough high grade explosives to not arouse suspicion ((which he couldn't, so he had to use the regular fertilizer))




i'm going to venture a guess saying that the guy was hit hard by economic downturn. angry at the world. and found comfort in the more radical part of islam. note how he didn't self detonate. probably not a hardcore believer.


purely a guess on my part of course. and of course either way the dude's still sucm and should still be made to eat every damn bit of the fertilizer in his car

[Lunkwill Fook]

Before 17-year-old Steve Consalvi ran onto the field at Citizen's Bank Park on Monday, where he was Tasered by a police officer, the teenager reportedly called his father for permission to do so.

"He said, 'Dad, can I run on the field? I said, 'I don't think you should, son,'" Wayne Consalvi told the Philadelphia Daily News of the conversation he had with his son.

"This would be a once in a lifetime experience!" Steve Consalvi replied to his father, according to the newspaper.

Wayne Consalvi told the newspaper that his son was not drinking and he wasn't on drugs. Steve Consalvi is "a real good student, heading to Penn State," his father told the Philadelphia Daily News.

The father also told the newspaper that his son didn't run onto the field as a result of a dare or bet, either.

"I don't recommend running on the field, but I don't think they should have Tased him at all," he told the newspaper..

[sweetlew]

Well, this explains a lot:

So it is freaking Chase's fault!

[four3two1]

Have you bought medicine with pseud-ephedrine in it lately? ID is required

nah, i'm not big on taking meds. if i get really really sick i'll go and buy nyquil. but thats it.

[Lunkwill Fook]

yeah but you're back to 1 guy acting alone, which brings us back to how does he get his hands on enough high grade explosives to not arouse suspicion ((which he couldn't, so he had to use the regular fertilizer))




i'm going to venture a guess saying that the guy was hit hard by economic downturn. angry at the world. and found comfort in the more radical part of islam. note how he didn't self detonate. probably not a hardcore believer.


purely a guess on my part of course. and of course either way the dude's still sucm and should still be made to eat every damn bit of the fertilizer in his car

What I'm saying is that if you can find one Arab-American already in this country (this guy had become a US citizen last year) who feels disenfranchised enough to commit an act of terrorism... you might be able to find ten of them.

[Dep]

ahhhhhhhh penn STATE

big diff lol

[Lunkwill Fook]

ahhhhhhhh penn STATE

big diff lol

hahah They don't say which campus. It's probably Penn State-Altoona or something.

[sweetlew]

i would still think that the FBI's equipment is sophisticated enough to detect lets say 10 individuals of islamic backgrounds brought fertilizer from 10 states in the north east US.

or maybe 5 out of the 20 people were recently in pakistan and had just gotten back and now they go out and buy fertilizer.

or just 1 out of the 20 is on a watch list and he goes out and buys the fertilizer.


add on top of that the logistics of getting everyone into the US, coordinated, transporting the fertilizer from 20 different states to one location and that not even 1 out of the 20 times nothing goes wrong....

Let's not forget that only farm supply stores sell fertilizer with high enough nitrogen content --- if you don't look like a local farmer, you are going to arouse suspicion, and the sheriff's office will be getting a phone call.

[Dep]

hahah They don't say which campus. It's probably Penn State-Altoona or something.

lol totally

[sweetlew]

Wow --- Niese is one consistent hombre.

Check out his release point last game:

[sweetlew]

lol totally

Doesn't matter -- I wouldn't necessarily put "good student" and "Penn State" in the same sentence

[Dep]

Penn State's business school isnt totally awful

i'm just saying when i hear PENN, i think U of, not the state!

[sweetlew]

Penn State's business school isnt totally awful

i'm just saying when i hear PENN, i think U of, not the state!

So does everyone else.

Timmy is responsible for the confusion

[Dep]

fucking midwesterners

[sweetlew]

Line up


Pagan-CF, Castillo-2B, Reyes-SS, Bay-LF, Wright-3B, Davis-1B, Francoeur-RF, Barajas-C, Maine - RHP

[Dep]

Where's GARY MATTHEWS?!?!?!?!?!?!

[four3two1]

What I'm saying is that if you can find one Arab-American already in this country (this guy had become a US citizen last year) who feels disenfranchised enough to commit an act of terrorism... you might be able to find ten of them.

they'd have to find each other, which would be the biggest obstacle, becasue in your scenario none of those 10 people were every associated with terrorist activities before. so how do you find 10 other people ready to go that far? someone would have to go to pakistan to get bomb making training and then come back. you still have the name issue. i don't think it matters if they're citizens or not, arabic name and it sets off alarms. so they still have the other issues i stated above.



unless you're saying that everyone acts individually. but then each individual would have to go overseas to get bomb making training, and once again all the other issues i stated above.

[Dave Magadan]

Fuck I cant catch a break this week...I was supposed to audition for this movie and it got cancelled cause they cut the part out. Sheesh whats next? Actually, please no more!!

[Ed in Westchester]

Well, this explains a lot:
The suspect in the Times Square bombing attempt defaulted on a $200,000 mortgage on a Connecticut home and the Shelton property is now in foreclosure, according to court records.

The foreclosure records show that Faisal Shahzad took out the mortgage in 2004 and that he co-owned the home with a woman named Huma Mian.

Chase Home Finance LLC sued Shahzad, 30, in September to force the foreclosure. The case is pending in Milford Superior Court.


BLAME WALL STREET!!!!!!!!!!

[Dave Magadan]

Break up w/ girl,l Mets get clocked in Philly, lose phone, now this!

[Tim]

fucking midwesterners

ahhhhh, now the story is so much better....I know what school he wants to go to.

[Tim]

mags, did you get that drink recipe I sent you about a week ago?

[Ed in Westchester]

yeah but you're back to 1 guy acting alone, which brings us back to how does he get his hands on enough high grade explosives to not arouse suspicion ((which he couldn't, so he had to use the regular fertilizer))




i'm going to venture a guess saying that the guy was hit hard by economic downturn. angry at the world. and found comfort in the more radical part of islam. note how he didn't self detonate. probably not a hardcore believer.


purely a guess on my part of course. and of course either way the dude's still sucm and should still be made to eat every damn bit of the fertilizer in his car

but he didn't have high grade explosives

he had some gasoline, firecrackers and propane tanks (for a bbq) and some clocks to use as timers

any dipshit can buy that stuff

[Dave Magadan]

BLAME WALL STREET!!!!!!!!!!

My problem besides the obvious why target innocent people in Times square? had nothing to do w/ there house being foreclosed. I aint buying that load.

[Lunkwill Fook]

BLAME WALL STREET!!!!!!!!!!

Actually, I blame YOU!

::gathers his pitchfork and torch::