General Discussion Thread 4/21/10: Can A Broken Clock Be Right 3 Times A Day?

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Will the CT-based Geeks rue the day they skipped a Lollie start?

[sweetlew]

Don't you mean can a broken clock be right three days in a row?

[sheadenizen]

Have to wish MFBS a happy birthday again. Why press our luck?

[sweetlew]

Have to wish MFBS a happy birthday again. Why press our luck?

Still down on Big Pelf?

[sweetlew]

I must say, even as one of his biggest proponents, I never dreamed Pelf could be this dominating

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Don't you mean can a broken clock be right three days in a row?

The expression is "even a broken clock is right twice a day"...and the Mets have the cuckoo bird taking the mound today.

[sweetlew]

The expression is "even a broken clock is right twice a day"...and the Mets have the cuckoo bird taking the mound today.

Ahhhhh......I thought you were talking about the potential for a three game winning streak with a cuckoo as the manager

[sweetlew]

So, just when the team is playing half-way decently and we have reason to be optimistic:

1) Beltran gets bad news delaying his return and

2) Igarishi hurts his hamstring, which with these team doctors means he will be out for 12 weeks.

JOY!

[four3two1]

what happened to Prevention?

[sweetlew]

Mets organization was undefeated yesterday -- 5-0!

Big games from Martinez, Tejada, Capt Kirk, Duda, Valdespin, and Wilmer (4-5 with a 2b and HR)

[sweetlew]

what happened to Prevention?

Yeah, the guy slips and injures himself and then stays in to face two more batter.

Comeon, why can't the Mets' training staff / coaches have half a damn brain!

[sheadenizen]

lew, I honestly don't believe Beltran will be back before July 15. Seriously. Omar said when this all happened that it would take 6 weeks from when he began running.
I mean he has arthroscopic surgery and after 4 months he still can't run? Something's not right.
To add to the misery, it probably means keeping GMJ.

[sweetlew]

Jason Pridie has been swinging a decent stick in AAA --- if he could learn a little strike zone judgment and cut down on the K's, he could be a pretty solid 4th OFer.

He is only 26, too.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

lew, I honestly don't believe Beltran will be back before July 15. Seriously. Omar said when this all happened that it would take 6 weeks from when he began running.
I mean he has arthroscopic surgery and after 4 months he still can't run? Something's not right.
To add to the misery, it probably means keeping GMJ.

You don't think they'd look at the varying degrees of success of DbM and Ike and decide to make F! the starter before then?

[sweetlew]

lew, I honestly don't believe Beltran will be back before July 15. Seriously. Omar said when this all happened that it would take 6 weeks from when he began running.
I mean he has arthroscopic surgery and after 4 months he still can't run? Something's not right.
To add to the misery, it probably means keeping GMJ.

I don't know what "baseball" activities means.

Does it mean running? Or other things

[Ed in Westchester]

The Beltran issue is a reminder to TRUST NO ONE!

Anyone who thought this would go as smoothly as the best case scenario was deluding themselves. The guy has a serious knee issue. Why would a 'scope clean it all up and allow him to be ready quickly?

This is going to be a longer season than the Wilpons thought.

While the pitching has been thisclose to outstanding of late, keeping the team in games, the bats are quiet. Too quiet. We all know the pitching will go through a bad stretch, it happens to everyone. If the bats don't pick up the slack when that happens, we are, in a word, fucked.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Good lord my fantasy team got even worse.

Pujols for sale!

[sheadenizen]

You don't think they'd look at the varying degrees of success of DbM and Ike and decide to make F! the starter before then?

I seriously hope not. He looked so overmatched last year. He needs to stay healthy and play on a consistent basis.
Pagan is fine for the time being.

[sweetlew]

Duda is finally flashing a little power down in AA --- but talk about your platoon splits -- dude is 0-10 with 1 BB against LHP!

[sweetlew]

I seriously hope not. He looked so overmatched last year. He needs to stay healthy and play on a consistent basis.
Pagan is fine for the time being.

If Martinez is still healthy and playing everyday by June, and Beltran is still out, I have no problem with him coming up.

He he was over matched last year, but he has gotten a lot of ABs since and is looking pretty good in AAA.

The key for me is his K-rate: he has 7 K's is 47 ABs; but none in his last 5 games (22 ABs). If he keeps it down in AAA, he will not be completely overmatched like last year.

He does need to learn to take a walk now and again!

[Joe A.]

What about Elijiah Dukes? I'd rather have him than Matthews or Pridie.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Who is Duda flashing again?

[Joe A.]

As well as Pagan has played for us, I don't think F! will be an upgrade at all. And when he gets called up he needs to play every day.

[sweetlew]

What about Elijiah Dukes? I'd rather have him than Matthews or Pridie.

No one has signed him yet?

Damn! There has to be something pretty big that we don't know about

[Joe A.]

No one has signed him yet?


Not that I know of

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

No one has signed him yet?

Damn! There has to be something pretty big that we don't know about

He shows up late to little league games.

[sweetlew]

He shows up late to little league games.

No, he is late to a team meeting because he hangs out at little league games -- get your facts right!

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

No, he is late to a team meeting because he hangs out at little league games -- get your facts right!

Do you think Jerry ever holds team meetings?

[sweetlew]

Do you think Jerry ever holds team meetings?

Doubtful ---- he is too busy trying to figure out what hand each player hits/throws with in his deep analysis to prepare for the game

[four3two1]

ganstas don't need no team meetings

[Lunkwill Fook]

Gangstas just fired off a couple rounds from their 9's and say "GOT IT, PUNKS?"

[sweetlew]

Well at least Warthen can coach one pitcher:


Following the game, Pelfrey told reporters he owes Dan Warthen a lot of credit for his split-finger fastball, ‘which is making all the difference in the world, it’s been huge,’

[four3two1]

In other news...Wright absolutely BLOWS at the plate right now

he looks more lost than a coked out Dorothy

[sweetlew]

In other news...Wright absolutely BLOWS at the plate right now

he looks more lost than a coked out Dorothy

Yeah -- but in fairness he smoked a line drive in his first AB -- right at Soriano.

But, even a blind squirrel can get a nut

[sweetlew]

Wright, Bay or Frenchy should sit today with one of the others sitting tomorrow

[sweetlew]

In unrelated news -- someone explain how Cincy gets to play on Thanksgiving?

I don't mind the Jets having a patsy for that game, but come on!

[Joe A.]

Wright, Bay or Frenchy should sit today with one of the others sitting tomorrow

I bet wright sits tonight and Tatis plays 3rd. The day off seemed to work for Reyes - might as well try it with Wright. And you also get reward Tatis for the big hit last night.

Bay already had a day off - I can't see him getting another one on this homestand. Plus, who wants to rest an OF when it means GMJ will be in the lineup?

[DoctorK16]

What about Elijiah Dukes? I'd rather have him than Matthews or Pridie.

Not happening.

[DoctorK16]

No one has signed him yet?

Damn! There has to be something pretty big that we don't know about

Or the stuff we do know of. Like flashing guns to his ex and the like.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Or the stuff we do know of. Like flashing guns to his ex and the like.

But did he produce an offensive rap album?

[sweetlew]

Or the stuff we do know of. Like flashing guns to his ex and the like.

Old news.

He hadn't had any major issues that went public for awhile. And nothing before he was cut.

[Dep]

Bay has 21 Ks in 51 ABs?

that's AWESOME!

[sweetlew]

Or the stuff we do know of. Like flashing guns to his ex and the like.

One thing I never knew before is that Dukes' father went away for murder back in 1996, when Dukes was about 10.

That will fuck a kid up

[sweetlew]

Bay has 21 Ks in 51 ABs?

that's AWESOME!

Dude's as streaky as your skivies.

I'm not worried about him.

DW, I am worried about

[Joe A.]

So who gets the call if Igarashi goes on the DL? I'm thinking Manny Acosta since he is already on the 40 and is pitching well. Parnell and Calero have been hit hard. Dessens is pitching well but I don't think he's on the 40 man roster.

[Dep]

So who gets the call if Igarashi goes on the DL? I'm thinking Manny Acosta since he is already on the 40 and is pitching well. Parnell and Calero have been hit hard. Dessens is pitching well but I don't think he's on the 40 man roster.

correct on dessens not being on there.

[sheadenizen]

Dude's as streaky as your skivies.

I'm not worried about him.

DW, I am worried about

I totally agree. Bay will break out. I'm afraid DW wil break down. Ugh!

[Dep]

Dude's as streaky as your skivies.

I'm not worried about him.

DW, I am worried about

LOL

[sweetlew]

So who gets the call if Igarashi goes on the DL? I'm thinking Manny Acosta since he is already on the 40 and is pitching well. Parnell and Calero have been hit hard. Dessens is pitching well but I don't think he's on the 40 man roster.

Most likely correct.

Parnell isn't getting hit, he is just wild as he gets a feel for cutter -- he gave up four runs the other day on 1 hit.

Calero doesn't seem to have the arm strength up yet.

[sweetlew]

LOL

Glad I could amuse you!

[Lunkwill Fook]

Most likely correct.

Parnell isn't getting hit, he is just wild as he gets a feel for cutter -- he gave up four runs the other day on 1 hit.

Calero doesn't seem to have the arm strength up yet.

That's what you have to love about Niese. They went "You need a cutter" and, BAM, he just learned one. Guy seems like the kind of dude that isn't afraid to learn as he goes along.

[four3two1]

That's what you have to love about Niese. They went "You need a cutter" and, BAM, he just learned one. Guy seems like the kind of dude that isn't afraid to learn as he goes along.

we need a power bat at 2nd base...I vote niese =)

[sheadenizen]

A little known fact from Saturday's Mets/ Cards extravaganza....

The best story might have been the Mets and Cards playing a 20 inning game where Fox announcer, 42-year old Kenny Albert, didn't go to the bathroom the entire game.

[Dep]

Glad I could amuse you!

like a clown!??!?! ;)

[Dep]

Bobby V refused to rule out an interest in managing the mets

didnt say yes, but certainly didnt say no

[Dep]

UZR has updated park factors and improved them

of note, changes result in Bay 2009 UZR +1.9 !!!!!!!

[four3two1]

A little known fact from Saturday's Mets/ Cards extravaganza....

He's got more grit than the Mets!



orr he peed in the booth

[Lunkwill Fook]

UZR has updated park factors and improved them

of note, changes result in Bay 2009 UZR +1.9 !!!!!!!

Wow. They finally figured out how to work leftfield at Fenway?

[sweetlew]

Bobby V refused to rule out an interest in managing the mets

didnt say yes, but certainly didnt say no

Why would he?

[Dep]

Wow. They finally figured out how to work leftfield at Fenway?

guess so

we'll see what happens with 2010, the first set of numbers have come out. UZR no likey bay so far in 2010, but UZR is still figuring out Citi and its a teeny sample so its whatever at this points. he's been average, at worst

[Dep]

Why would he?

because YOUR MOM, that's why

[Dep]

Bobby V also said we're going 8-2 on this homestand will be in first place in the East by the end of it.

LOL!

[Dep]

V
"I'll be totally candid and tell you that it's flattering. After being away for six years (managing in Japan), I thought I was gonna have to print up name cards. (But) when I go down to New York City, the truck drivers and the cab drivers and the policemen are waving out of the cars. It's a good feeling." .

[sheadenizen]

Bobby V refused to rule out an interest in managing the mets

didnt say yes, but certainly didnt say no

why would he say no? he can use it as a bargaining chip in other negotiations or leave his foot in the door here ( although I still think the Wilpons slam his foot in that door!)

[Lunkwill Fook]

From my eyeball perspective, I haven't seen that much that Bay hasn't gotten to that he should have.

[Dep]

lol...


Darrelle Revis is know for blanketing receivers on the field and now he gets to take it one step further by covering NFL news off the field with Ochocinco’s OCNN. TJB was contacted on behalf of Ochocinco by the OCNN network alerting us that Revis recently came aboard and it seems he already has his work cut out for him.

Revis, considered to be the best one-on-one coverage man in the NFL, will test out his “coverage” skills as he teams up with OCNN reporter and top-five draft prospect Gerald McCoy to give fans an insider look at this week’s NFL Draft. Together they will interview prospects, share videos and post pictures from this week’s draft festivities.

…

Ochocinco on Revis’ arrival:

“Any man that can cover me the way Darrelle did last year, deserves a job with OCNN,” said Ochocino. “I’ve got mad respect for Darrelle’s game, and it’s going to be a lot of fun working with him and bringing fans all the news from NYC out on “Revis Island.”

[sweetlew]

guess so

we'll see what happens with 2010, the first set of numbers have come out. UZR no likey bay so far in 2010, but UZR is still figuring out Citi and its a teeny sample so its whatever at this points. he's been average, at worst

How can you even make any read on 2010?

How many balls have been hit to him this year -- 10?

[sheadenizen]

From my eyeball perspective, I haven't seen that much that Bay hasn't gotten to that he should have.

Those who watch the game know better! Right, Lunk...lol!

[sweetlew]

18 put outs.

Don't know how many in his "zone"

[Dep]

How can you even make any read on 2010?

How many balls have been hit to him this year -- 10?


and its a teeny sample so its whatever at this points.

...

[sweetlew]

Out to meet a repair man -- see you in the PM!

[Lunkwill Fook]

Well, there isn't a fielding stat that can measure performance after 14 games, Shea.

[sheadenizen]

Well, there isn't a fielding stat that can measure performance after 14 games, Shea.

It was attempt at humor, Lunk. You know that old stats/watching debate!

[Lunkwill Fook]

It was attempt at humor, Lunk. You know that old stats/watching debate!

The inner scout in me rebelled!

[Joe A.]

I've been happy with Bay's Defense. I think I've missed 2 games, but he has made every play possible in the games I've seen.

[Dep]

Rapistburger gets 6 games

2 games off for good behavior if he doesnt rape anyone else by then

[Dep]

could possibly be reduced below 4 too, that part is unclear at this time

[fatt lipp]

from 'damus...

the fact that Davis' day was unnecessarily a long one isn't what caught my eye from Sherman's blog:
"Mets general manager Omar Minaya told me he did not make his series of calls to get ownership's blessings, and to explain the plan to Jerry Manuel and others in the organization until yesterday morning. So instead of making a crown jewel's first day in the majors easier, the Mets turned it into an obstacle course."

Remember this. Remember this when Minaya gets fired, and you're all having your "Fire Omar" parties and you're shooting fireworks off your roof with the Gruccis. Remember that every move that Omar makes, good or bad, and the moves the he makes that will eventually get him fired one day, has to go through and be approved by ownership. While you may focus on the fact that Minaya didn't call for ownership's blessing until Sunday, I focus on the fact that Minaya has to get ownership's blessing to call up a minor league player in the first place.

I find it hard to believe that this happens everywhere in major league baseball. If I'm wrong, then please enlighten me. They have final say to the point where Minaya can't even make a call-up without calling Jeffy. Remember that the reason that Ike Davis was preparing to bat cleanup for the Bison in the morning only to fly to New York to prepare to hit sixth was because the Mets' general manager has to ask for "ownership's blessings" when it comes to trades, call-ups, pitch counts, and whether he's going to have the soup or the salad with his dinner.

Remember this when the next GM comes in and has the same puppet-like restrictions, and we wonder in five or six years why absolutely nothing has changed.

[fatt lipp]

I've been happy with Bay's Defense. I think I've missed 2 games, but he has made every play possible in the games I've seen.

ditto

[sheadenizen]

Finally, Jerry may actually be making sense:


“With Jose Reyes acting like he’d rather shave his head than bat third in the lineup, Jerry Manuel has put that plan on hold indefinitely, and even mentioned during the weekend that it may never come to pass. So as a Plan B, Manuel is eyeing Angel Pagan for the No. 3 spot as a way to lengthen a Mets lineup that, well, needs lengthening.”

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Lippy what time are you going to be at the place in Norwalk tomorrow?

[fatt lipp]

Lippy what time are you going to be at the place in Norwalk tomorrow?
bout 6:30 or so.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

bout 6:30 or so.

Ok, I think Booey said he'd try to get back to CT early too. I'll probably the straggler, arriving closer to 7:30. Earliest I can usually get home is quarter of 7.

[fatt lipp]

giggles from NY magazine:

Rolling Stone calls the Black Eyed Peas the best reason to be excited about music; also names scavenged garbage fish the best reason to be excited about food.

[fatt lipp]

Ok, I think Booey said he'd try to get back to CT early too. I'll probably the straggler, arriving closer to 7:30. Earliest I can usually get home is quarter of 7.

no sweat, dude. we'll see ya when we see ya.

[fatt lipp]

more giggles from NY magazine:

Bleach Black releases a semen-colored nail polish called Jizz. Just in time for sandals season, ladies!

[sheadenizen]

Rapistburger gets 6 games

2 games off for good behavior if he doesnt rape anyone else by then

how comforting!

[Ramon Suarez]

I find it hard to believe that this happens everywhere in major league baseball. If I'm wrong, then please enlighten me. They have final say to the point where Minaya can't even make a call-up without calling Jeffy. Remember that the reason that Ike Davis was preparing to bat cleanup for the Bison in the morning only to fly to New York to prepare to hit sixth was because the Mets' general manager has to ask for "ownership's blessings" when it comes to trades, call-ups, pitch counts, and whether he's going to have the soup or the salad with his dinner.

Remember this when the next GM comes in and has the same puppet-like restrictions, and we wonder in five or six years why absolutely nothing has changed..

I can easily believe that SOF is a micromanaging little turdburger. Its also in line with what I've been arguing: we can hate Omar all we want but if people think firing him will make a large difference, they are mistaken because the real problems in the organization stem from all the way at the top.

[DoctorK16]

Bobby V also said we're going 8-2 on this homestand will be in first place in the East by the end of it.

LOL!

If Pelfrey is going pitch like Brandon Webb and they swing the bats this could happen.

BTW is there a team that does less with more than the Cubs.

[Ramon Suarez]

If Pelfrey is going pitch like Brandon Webb and they swing the bats this could happen.

BTW is there a team that does less with more than the Cubs.

The Red Sox?

[sheadenizen]

If Pelfrey is going pitch like Brandon Webb and they swing the bats this could happen.

BTW is there a team that does less with more than the Cubs.

I''m guessing Mets have a higher payroll...so the answer is not the Cubs...it's the mets!

[Ramon Suarez]

I''m guessing Mets have a higher payroll...so the answer is not the Cubs...it's the mets!

I think the Cubs field a more talented club than the Mets now...

[sheadenizen]

The Red Sox?

this year that may be true, but they've made the playoffs in the last 4/5 years or so....

[sheadenizen]

I think the Cubs field a more talented club than the Mets now...

on paper?

[Ramon Suarez]

this year that may be true, but they've made the playoffs in the last 4/5 years or so....

If its the last 4/5 years than we are definately at the top of the list. But I thought we were discussing this season?

[Lunkwill Fook]

I dunno. Most of the Cubs talent is aging. Guys like Soriano, Derek Lee, et al. At catcher, Soto only had his one good season and has sucked since. They've got some decent starters but their bullpen is weak.

[Dep]

The cubs look worse offensively than we do

didn't know that was possible

they just dont stop free swinging at junk

[sheadenizen]

If its the last 4/5 years than we are definately at the top of the list. But I thought we were discussing this season?

that's what I wasn't sure of Ramon....whether Doc meant this year or generally.

[Dave Magadan]

Sup all !I know this has probably been posted but Wilmer went 3-5 with a HR a double and 5 RBI's. Plus he k'd once for the second time all season. This kid might be as good as advertised...

[sheadenizen]

The cubs look worse offensively than we do

didn't know that was possible

they just dont stop free swinging at junk

while I agree with that, the question is are they underperforming more (with better talent) or are the mets?
my contention is the mets have better talent.

[DoctorK16]

Rapistburger gets 6 games

2 games off for good behavior if he doesnt rape anyone else by then

If he raped somewhere with police that weren't in awe of him he would be states property for 10 years.

[Ramon Suarez]

I was really interested in last night's late night discussion about where Murphy can fit in this team now that Davis is at 1st for good.
The issue of him playing 2nd base was raised....just curious

Daniel Murphy is 6'2", 215 lbs. Does anyone know if someone of this stature can play a serviceable 2nd base?

Dan Uggla is 5'11, 205 lbs.

Clint Barmes is 6'0 210lbs.

I can't find too many 2nd basemen who compare in stature...

[DoctorK16]

that's what I wasn't sure of Ramon....whether Doc meant this year or generally.

Generally. The Red Sox get a pass cause of there general success and the fact that when they Gonzalez they're going to be loaded again.

[Dep]

LETS TAKE A PHOTO BEN!

FUCK THAT STUPID SLUT. DO YOUR RAPE FACE!

DEPUTY, TAKE PICTURES!

what a guy!

[sheadenizen]

“This game is tough, and he makes it easy,” Pelfrey said about Blanco, who has been his catcher the last two games. “He frames the ball so well.”

But, but , but....he can't hit Mike! lol!

[Joe A.]

The cubs look worse offensively than we do

didn't know that was possible

they just dont stop free swinging at junk

You know what they need? A guy who's willing to take some pitches at the top lineup. As much as we would all hate to see him go, I think we should do the Cubs a favor and trade them Castillo.

[Dep]

while I agree with that, the question is are they underperforming more (with better talent) or are the mets?
my contention is the mets have better talent.

good question

[Dep]

As reported on SportsCenter by Adam Schefter, the Pittsburgh Steelers are shopping Big Ben for a top ten pick .

[DoctorK16]

I was really interested in last night's late night discussion about where Murphy can fit in this team now that Davis is at 1st for good.
The issue of him playing 2nd base was raised....just curious

Daniel Murphy is 6'2", 215 lbs. Does anyone know if someone of this stature can play a serviceable 2nd base?

Dan Uggla is 5'11, 205 lbs.

Clint Barmes is 6'0 210lbs.

I can't find too many 2nd basemen who compare in stature...

How big is Utley? Jeff Kent comes to mind when it comes to oversized second basemen. Murphy is going to be a guy that his second base play will be measured by his offensive production. If he OPS 800 you'll live with it.

[sheadenizen]

Generally. The Red Sox get a pass cause of there general success and the fact that when they Gonzalez they're going to be loaded again.

Peter Gammons said on the FAN yesterday, they know they are NOT getting Gonzalez and are trying to figure out how to deal with this year....write it off and bring up some kids or try to make some trades.

[Ramon Suarez]

.

Damn, I wish the Niners had a shit season in 09....

[sheadenizen]

How big is Utley? Jeff Kent comes to mind when it comes to oversized second basemen. Murphy is going to be a guy that his second base play will be measured by his offensive production. If he OPS 800 you'll live with it.

you'll be longing for castillo! :)

[Ramon Suarez]

How big is Utley? Jeff Kent comes to mind when it comes to oversized second basemen. Murphy is going to be a guy that his second base play will be measured by his offensive production. If he OPS 800 you'll live with it.

Utley is a lithe 6'1", 192...not stocky for his frame....

Kent was 6'2", 210 though...

[Joe A.]

Peter Gammons said on the FAN yesterday, they know they are NOT getting Gonzalez and are trying to figure out how to deal with this year....write it off and bring up some kids or try to make some trades.

Gammons is full of it. No chance in hell the Sox, with arguably the best pitching staff in baseball, are writing off 2010 2 weeks into the season.

[DoctorK16]

good question

With Beltran out I think the Cubs put a better team on paper. Lee and Ramirez is probably still a top 12 at their positions and they have better pitching in the rotation. But they just look dredful.

[CatchDog]

Today is Administrative Professionals Day (used to be called Secretary's Day).

Hope all those in the position received flowers or are treated to a nice lunch. Conversely, those who have Assistants...(hint hint).

[fatt lipp]

As reported on SportsCenter by Adam Schefter, the Pittsburgh Steelers are shopping Big Ben for a top ten pick

Cue Woody's Home For Wayward Boys. Sowwy, Sanchize.

[Ramon Suarez]

If he OPS 800 you'll live with it.

With GB pitchers like Pelf and Niese that might not be the case if he's Uggla bad at 2nd. Range is peripheral to whether or not he has the quickness and agility to turn the DP decently well at the pivot.

[Joe A.]

Wigginton is listed at 6'0, 230. He's the guy that Murphy reminds me of the most. And if Ike is hitting, I think Murphy will get traded by July, just like wiggy did when DW came up.

[DoctorK16]

Damn, I wish the Niners had a shit season in 09....

Any team that trades for rapistburger is going to have an instant distraction.

[DoctorK16]

With GB pitchers like Pelf and Niese that might not be the case if he's Uggla bad at 2nd. Range is peripheral to whether or not he has the quickness and agility to turn the DP decently well at the pivot.

Put Cora out there when they pitch. It's not like Murphy has to play every day.

[sheadenizen]

Wigginton is listed at 6'0, 230. He's the guy that Murphy reminds me of the most. And if Ike is hitting, I think Murphy will get traded by July, just like wiggy did when DW came up.

Murphy isn't really worth much. He'd have to part of a trade.

[fatt lipp]

With GB pitchers like Pelf and Niese that might not be the case if he's Uggla bad at 2nd. Range is peripheral to whether or not he has the quickness and agility to turn the DP decently well at the pivot.
We really do have to drop this. No way, no how is Murph doing the 2B thing. If Ike sticks, Murph is either a bench bat or trade bait. I'd go with the latter.

[Ramon Suarez]

Any team that trades for rapistburger is going to have instant success.

Fixed it.

[Joe A.]

Any team that trades for rapistburger is going to have an instant distraction.

He's not a good fit for the Jets, but I think he'd be a great pick-up for the Niners. Of course you always have to consider the Raiders.

[Ramon Suarez]

Murphy isn't really worth much. He'd have to part of a trade.

I think Murphy could conceivably become what we pay Catallonatto alot of money to suck at: a supersub with some offensive skills. He could be Mark De Rosa-ish.

[sheadenizen]

Any team that trades for rapistburger is going to have an instant distraction.

that will totally disappear after he throws his first TD pass and his team wins. Wnning cures everything. It's the way of the world whether we like it or not!
And you know me Doc....I'm not being cavalier...just honest.

[fatt lipp]

Any team that trades for rapistburger is going to have an instant distraction.

Teams traded for Terrell, Braylon, and Plax. If someone is desperate enough at a position and it'll put fannies in the seats, they pull the trigger. I'll bet if the Donovan deal didn't happen, the Skins would look at Ben. Next up: Al Davis.

[sheadenizen]

I think Murphy could conceivably become what we pay Catallonatto alot of money to suck at: a supersub with some offensive skills. He could be Mark De Rosa-ish.

a supersub? what's he super at? he plays one position semi decently and he's an okay hitter.

[DoctorK16]

that will totally disappear after he throws his first TD pass and his team wins. Wnning cures everything. It's the way of the world whether we like it or not!
And you know me Doc....I'm not being cavalier...just honest.

I hate that your right on this Shea. I guess having your bodyguards drag drunk co-eds to the bathroom so you can rape them doesn't carry a social stigma anymore. I hope that he gets protested like Vick.

[Ramon Suarez]

I will say that I definitely respect the Rooneys for trying to get rid of this joker and set an example for the rest of the team.

[fatt lipp]

he plays one position semi decently and he's an okay hitter.
you just described our starting lineup.

[DoctorK16]

Teams traded for Terrell, Braylon, and Plax. If someone is desperate enough at a position and it'll put fannies in the seats, they pull the trigger. I'll bet if the Donovan deal didn't happen, the Skins would look at Ben. Next up: Al Davis.

Those guys we're accused of raping people, this is a different level of distraction and moral conundrum no?

[Ramon Suarez]

a supersub? what's he super at? he plays one position semi decently and he's an okay hitter.

He can play 1st and 3rd well.

I admitt he will have to improve at the corner OF and maybe some 2nd.

[Ramon Suarez]

Those guys we're accused of raping people, this is a different level of distraction and moral conundrum no?

No, he is a white QB who is at the top of his game. And BTW, he wasn't convicted...

He could definately go to SF. They supported Barry Bonds in denial for years after most of the public knew he was a juicer. Its a match made in heaven.

[fatt lipp]

Those guys we're accused of raping people, this is a different level of distraction and moral conundrum no?

Possibly, but I believe the average NFL fan doesn't know from levels of distraction or moral conundrums. Also, I believe that for this same demo, banging a co-ed in a bar restroom is a fantasy, consensual or not.

[DoctorK16]

No, he is a white QB who is at the top of his game. And BTW, he wasn't convicted...

He could definately go to SF. They supported Barry Bonds in denial for years after most of the public knew he was a juicer. Its a match made in heaven.

All true, but just cause they didn't have enough to prove it a court of law doesn't mean that something dastardly didn't go down and from the leaks it appears that was the case. Plus this the second chick accused him of rape.

[CatchDog]

He can play 1st and 3rd well.

I admitt he will have to improve at the corner OF and maybe some 2nd.

All things considered, it's not a bad situation for the Mets right now. Especially if Ike hits at this level. Murphy should go down to AA or AAA and work on defensive positioning.

[sheadenizen]

He can play 1st and 3rd well.

I admitt he will have to improve at the corner OF and maybe some 2nd.

he plays 3rd well? I'll take your word on that. I've never seen him play 1 minute at 3rd base.
yes, I know he played in the minors. we know he can't play the OF and 2nd seems a stretch, but you know what? I'm not worrying about finding a place for a mediocre ball player. Seems to me we already have more than our fair share.

[Ramon Suarez]

he plays 3rd well? I'll take your word on that. I've never seen him play 1 minute at 3rd base.
yes, I know he played in the minors. we know he can't play the OF and 2nd seems a stretch, but you know what? I'm not worrying about finding a place for a mediocre ball player. Seems to me we already have more than our fair share.

Daniel is only mediocre relative to the position or role he can play. He would excel as a 2nd baseman or a utility player IF he could defensively handle the assignment.

[Ed in Westchester]

Rapistburger gets 6 games

2 games off for good behavior if he doesnt rape anyone else by then

wow. I see you lent Goodall the hammah

[sheadenizen]

wow. I see you lent Goodall the hammah

why did he even bother with the 6 games/ 4 games if BS. We all know it'll be 4 games. Does he think we're stupid or placated....guess so!

[Ed in Westchester]

LUNCHTIME!

[DoctorK16]

why did he even bother with the 6 games/ 4 games if BS. We all know it'll be 4 games. Does he think we're stupid or placated....guess so!

It makes him look gangsta to people who don't know any better.

[Dep]

BTW, that was an ESPN report about the suspension

Goodell is actually saying nothing has been decided at this point. so we'll see. but i bet its right

Corey Dillon busted for DUI. still a bengal at heart!

LUNCH!

[Dep]

.
Goodell says Roethlisberger decision has not been made
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 21, 2010 12:17 PM ET
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell says ESPN has jumped the gun.

Speaking at a Play 60 event in Central Park just a short jog away from where I'm locked to the computer, Goodell said that he hasn't made a decision about Ben Roethlisberger's punishment.

Goodell wouldn't even confirm a suspension was coming, according to Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times.

ESPN's Adam Schefter and Chris Mortensen reported earlier Wednesday that Roethlisberger will be suspended 4-6 games. (He could have six-game suspension reduced to four if he satisfies certain conditions.) FOX's Jay Glazer also said Roethlisberger will get 4-6 games.

Perhaps the league wants to announce the news on its own terms. We suspect we'll find out the official scoop from the NFL soon enough.

[Ramon Suarez]

why did he even bother with the 6 games/ 4 games if BS. We all know it'll be 4 games. Does he think we're stupid or placated....guess so!

In all fairness to Goodall, it isnt his job to placate the fans. The justice system found Rapistburger innocent of the charge. 4 games is alot in this context.

[sheadenizen]

It makes him look gangsta to people who don't know any better.

sad, but true!

[sheadenizen]

In all fairness to Goodall, it isnt his job to placate the fans. The justice system found Rapistburger innocent of the charge. 4 games is alot in this context.

That's fine Ramon. Than say it and give him the 4 games. Don't BS me with this 6 games crap when we know it won't happen.

[Dep]

this is gold, read read

http://jezebel.com/5520722/sports-and-romance-i-dated-mr-met

now lunch

[DoctorK16]

why did he even bother with the 6 games/ 4 games if BS. We all know it'll be 4 games. Does he think we're stupid or placated....guess so!

Also he wants Ben to comply with the NFL Anti-Rape offseason program and can use those 2 games to enforce compliance.

[Dep]

hahahahaha

O
M
G


SI_JonHeyman
Quote:

rough week for reds: first volquez ban, now morgan hiring. Reds to introduce Joe Morgan as special advisor (via @Cincinnati Reds).


3rd time's a charm - lunch!

[sheadenizen]

this is gold, read read

http://jezebel.com/5520722/sports-and-romance-i-dated-mr-met

now lunch

the funniest part are the comments!

[Lunkwill Fook]

Also he wants Ben to comply with the NFL Anti-Rape offseason program and can use those 2 games to enforce compliance.

The funny thing about that statement is that it suggests there is an NFL Pro-Rape program.

[Ramon Suarez]

The funny thing about that statement is that it suggests there is an NFL Pro-Rape program.

I think the Pro-Rape program is more successful than the Anti-Rape one right now.

[Rave]

So is Iggy dead?

Say what you want ‘bout them Braves, but the empty dugout after the McLouth walk-off was pretty cool.

[Lunkwill Fook]

I think the Pro-Rape program is more successful than the Anti-Rape one right now.

Perhaps they have better instructors.

[Ramon Suarez]

Perhaps they have better instructors.

Finding the right counselors is so important.

[Rave]

It would be SOOOO much easier to poo-pooh Jerjer’s plan to bat My Angel 3rd if Dubs and Bay would just quit sucking.

Ron and Keith said good pitching, like hitting, is contagious. Which would explain Ollie, but Maine is Pelf’s BFF and constant companion. Warts should separate those two.

Devils suck.

[Lunkwill Fook]

You can only pitch so well when you're chucking 88 mph up and down the middle.

[Ramon Suarez]

It would be SOOOO much easier to poo-pooh Jerjer’s plan to bat My Angel 3rd if Dubs and Bay would just quit sucking.

Ron and Keith said good pitching, like hitting, is contagious. Which would explain Ollie, but Maine is Pelf’s BFF and constant companion. Warts should separate those two.

Devils suck.

Still don't understand why Jerry wont just hit Pagan 2nd and switch Castillo to 8th place anyways. It makes alot more sense to have this lineup than what we sport out on the field:

1-Reyes
2-Pagan
3-Wright
4-Bay
5-Franceour
6-Davis
7-Barajas
8-Castillo
9-Pitcher

[sweetlew]

I think the Big Ben suspension is bullshit!

1) He has never been charged with a crime

2) He has never been arrested.

Yet he is going to miss 25% of the season and how many millions?

I am not defending what he did, but someone needs to remind Mr. Goodell of the "innocent until proven guilty" concept.

[Lunkwill Fook]

I think the Big Ben suspension is bullshit!

1) He has never been charged with a crime

2) He has never been arrested.

Yet he is going to miss 25% of the season and how many millions?

I am not defending what he did, but someone needs to remind Mr. Goodell of the "innocent until proven guilty" concept.

I think he's punished more for his behavior not being up to "NFL standards", so to speak. Whether he actually assaulted the girl, running around with your dick hanging out is not the way to be an NFL ambassador. I definitely think 6 games is way too much. I think two would be more appropriate.

[Rave]

There hasn't been a walk-off homerun in Citi. Ike should really take care of that.

[sweetlew]

I think he's punished more for his behavior not being up to "NFL standards", so to speak. Whether he actually assaulted the girl, running around with your dick hanging out is not the way to be an NFL ambassador. I definitely think 6 games is way too much. I think two would be more appropriate.

The problem is you have drunk dude / drunk chick, and buyer's remorse.

A six game (or four) suspension under these circumstances are bullshit. Total and complete bullshit.

[sweetlew]

There hasn't been a walk-off homerun in Citi. Ike should really take care of that.

It takes HRs to have a walk-off HR!

[Ramon Suarez]

I really don't care either way...I think its futile getting upset over this Rapistburger incident. He should just be happy he got off without a trial.

[Lunkwill Fook]

The problem is you have drunk dude / drunk chick, and buyer's remorse.

A six game (or four) suspension under these circumstances are bullshit. Total and complete bullshit.

Yeah, this is the NFL shielding its own ass. Meanwhile, people like Pacman Jones keeps playing. And Ray Lewis, by the way, was never suspended. Just fined.

[Rave]

It takes HRs to have a walk-off HR!

What?

You didn't see Tatis' beauty* from last night? Landed in the 5th row, man!

*That sounds vaguely dirty. I blame Lunk.

[sweetlew]

I really don't care either way...I think its futile getting upset over this Rapistburger incident. He should just be happy he got off without a trial.

Oh.....I bet if it was some poor minority from the inner city accused of raping an upper class white girl, you have a whole different spin on your opinion

[Joe A.]

Yeah, this is the NFL shielding its own ass. Meanwhile, people like Pacman Jones keeps playing. And Ray Lewis, by the way, was never suspended. Just fined.

Different commissioner. No question Goodel would have suspended Lewis.

[sheadenizen]

Still don't understand why Jerry wont just hit Pagan 2nd and switch Castillo to 8th place anyways. It makes alot more sense to have this lineup than what we sport out on the field:

1-Reyes
2-Pagan
3-Wright
4-Bay
5-Franceour
6-Davis
7-Barajas
8-Castillo
9-Pitcher

With DW, Bay and Franceour not hitting at all, what difference does it make if Castillo bats 2nd or 8th?
Pagan needs to split up the 3,4 and 5 hitters somehow. 3 outs in a row don't really help anything.

[sweetlew]

Yeah, this is the NFL shielding its own ass. Meanwhile, people like Pacman Jones keeps playing. And Ray Lewis, by the way, was never suspended. Just fined.

Yep.

The "I'm a star QB" thing cut the other way on Big Ben.

It led to a bigger punishment for him

[Lunkwill Fook]

Different commissioner. No question Goodel would have suspended Lewis.

Regardless, that's what happened.

[Ramon Suarez]

Oh.....I bet if it was some poor minority from the inner city accused of raping an upper class white girl, you have a whole different spin on your opinion

You are right in one respect: if a minority raped an upper class white girl I'd tell you he should be in jail.

What's Rapistburger's excuse for not getting a trial?

[sweetlew]

You are right in one respect: if a minority raped an upper class white girl I'd tell you he should be in jail.

What's Rapistburger's excuse for not getting a trial?

How about a drunk witness, with out any corroborating evidence?

Ever here of "beyond a reasonable doubt"?

[Ramon Suarez]

With DW, Bay and Franceour not hitting at all, what difference does it make if Castillo bats 2nd or 8th?
Pagan needs to split up the 3,4 and 5 hitters somehow. 3 outs in a row don't really help anything.

Its way too early to give up on DW, Bay, Franceour as the middle three. You could put Pagan in the 5th hole and have Frenchy hit 7th. But I do so hate it when Castillo bats 2nd.

[Rave]

Crasnick today:



7. Angel Pagan and Gary Matthews Jr. for Carlos Beltran

So far … so puzzling.

Anything is going to be a comedown from Beltran, who made four All-Star teams, won three Gold Gloves and two Silver Slugger Awards in his first five seasons with the Mets.

If there's a question among scouts, it revolves around playing time for his two stand-ins. Pagan showed signs of a breakout last year when he posted an .837 OPS in 88 games. Through the Mets' first 14 games, manager Jerry Manuel started Pagan in center field eight times and Matthews six. No offense to Little Sarge, but some observers wonder why Manuel is doling out the playing time so equitably.

"Pagan runs better, and he's a better hitter and fielder than Matthews,'' an AL scout said. "I don't understand why Matthews has gotten so much playing time, but there doesn't seem to be much stability there in everyday decisions. Then again, this is a team that just released its cleanup hitter [Mike Jacobs] two weeks into the season.''

Another scout concurred with that assessment.

"I'm not a fan of Matthews Jr.,'' he said. "He's a dead low-ball hitter who can't catch up to hard stuff up in the zone, and that's how pitchers are pitching him. Pagan has some 'instinctive problems' when it comes to baserunning and throwing to the right base, but I'd still take my chances with him.''

[sweetlew]

Its way too early to give up on DW, Bay, Franceour as the middle three. You could put Pagan in the 5th hole and have Frenchy hit 7th. But I do so hate it when Castillo bats 2nd.

Not to mention, if you are going to split these three up - Davis at #6 and Frenchy #7 probably makes the most sense

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Yeah, this is the NFL shielding its own ass. Meanwhile, people like Pacman Jones keeps playing. And Ray Lewis, by the way, was never suspended. Just fined.

Half the early 90's Cowboys and one of their coaches...suspension, what?

[Ramon Suarez]

How about a drunk witness, with out any corroborating evidence?

Ever here of "beyond a reasonable doubt"?

I don't understand what your issue is. He didn't get charged when men have been taken to trial on flimsier evidence.

My own opinion, which is different from the standard applied by the US justice system, is that the circumstantial evidence is super shady.

Getting upset over this issue is dumb. He made his bed at a time when the NFL is very sensitive about its public image. He should thank his god that he didn't get dragged into court.

[sweetlew]

I don't understand what your issue is. He didn't get charged when men have been taken to trial on flimsier evidence.

My own opinion, which is different from the standard applied by the US justice system, is that the circumstantial evidence is super shady.

Getting upset over this issue is dumb. He made his bed at a time when the NFL is very sensitive about its public image. He should thank his god that he didn't get dragged into court.

No one would be getting charged on this evidence unless the dipshit handling the Duke Lacrosse case was the prosecutor.

Getting a 6 game suspension an losing millions over a he-said / she-said issue is way over the top.

For all you know this woman was pissed that Big Ben didn't call her later and made the story up. Her account of what happened did change THREE times.

If you think this is appropriate, I don't ever want to hear you bitch about the Man coming down on anyone again -- because this is a pretty damn egregious example of an abuse of authority by Goodell.

[lucienlc]

How about a drunk witness, with out any corroborating evidence?

Ever here of "beyond a reasonable doubt"?

Reasonable doubt applies in law. It's precisely the reason a case was not brought.

That does NOT mean, however, that there wasn't evidence to support the fact that something very bad happened there. But if all they could show was "a preponderance of the evidence", that's not good enough to take it to trial and waste the taxpayer's money,.

However, we're talking about a business. If you work for a company, and get VERY highly compensated for your work at that, you must abide by their rules and gudelines. And said guidelines are not confined to situations where someone is arrested and convicted.
Big Ben has been an embarrassment to the league on multiple occasions now. That's sufficient grounds for the Commish to invoke the conduct rules.

And just because a woman is drunk is NOT an excuse or license to rape. Diminished capacity, if anything, means that a man should be even more careful in judging the situation.

The fact that according to her friend, she headed for the woman's bathroom to escape Ben's attentions, but he followed her in and then had his police guard stand guard outside -- call it what you like, but I'd like to see a damn sight more than a four-six game suspension happen to this prick.
Or perhaps happen TO his prick.

[lucienlc]

I've known people who were raped. Other friends were sexually molested by family members.

And nobody went to jail in any of those cases.

Didn't mean it didn't happen.

[sweetlew]

Reasonable doubt applies in law. It's precisely the reason a case was not brought.

That does NOT mean, however, that there wasn't evidence to support the fact that something very bad happened there. But if all they could show was "a preponderance of the evidence", that's not good enough to take it to trial and waste the taxpayer's money,.

However, we're talking about a business. If you work for a company, and get VERY highly compensated for your work at that, you must abide by their rules and gudelines. And said guidelines are not confined to situations where someone is arrested and convicted.
Big Ben has been an embarrassment to the league on multiple occasions now. That's sufficient grounds for the Commish to invoke the conduct rules.

And just because a woman is drunk is NOT an excuse or license to rape. Diminished capacity, if anything, means that a man should be even more careful in judging the situation.

The fact that according to her friend, she headed for the woman's bathroom to escape Ben's attentions, but he followed her in and then had his police guard stand guard outside -- call it what you like, but I'd like to see a damn sight more than a four-six game suspension happen to this prick.
Or perhaps happen TO his prick.

Rush to judgment.

The woman's story of what happened changed repeatedly, and there was no physical evidence of rape or sexual assault.

It is just as likely that she is making this up.

Granted, he put himself in a bad situation, but not enough to deserve a 6 game suspension

[Ramon Suarez]

If you think this is appropriate, I don't ever want to hear you bitch about the Man coming down on anyone again -- because this is a pretty damn egregious example of an abuse of authority by Goodell.

What are you talking about? Rapistburger got off easy considering that several of the girl's friends tried to intervene in stopping the sex act....but were stopped by his bodyguards and that the chief investigator in the case had to resign due to a serious conflict of interest.

In spite of all this Rapistburger didn't even go to trial like Kobe Bryant did. And now you are complaining that he gets a bad rep for being suspended for 4 games by Goddell for reasons having to do with NFL morality clause after bringing stupid attention to himself 3 times in the past offseason? Sorry, I don't see how anyone can get indignant over this issue.

[DoctorK16]

I think the Big Ben suspension is bullshit!

1) He has never been charged with a crime

2) He has never been arrested.

Yet he is going to miss 25% of the season and how many millions?

I am not defending what he did, but someone needs to remind Mr. Goodell of the "innocent until proven guilty" concept.

The player association which Ben is a member agreed to a personal conduct policy that doesn't require a conviction in a court of law.

[sweetlew]

I've known people who were raped. Other friends were sexually molested by family members.

And nobody went to jail in any of those cases.

Didn't mean it didn't happen.

I am not condoning rape -- but this woman's story is fishy and has been from the get go.

And no one here knows what happened and no one here knows if she is telling the truth any more than he is.

[Ramon Suarez]

Lets discuss the facts here:

Shady issue #1


In interviews with the police on the night of the incident, the victim alleged that Roethlisberger, after inviting the victim and her friends to the V.I.P. area of the nightclub, encouraged them to do numerous shots of alcohol before one of his bodyguards—an off-duty Pennsylvania policeman—led her down a hallway to a stool and left. Roethlisberger approached and allegedly exposed himself and, despite the victim's protests, followed her into what turned out to be a bathroom when she tried to leave through the first door she saw. The victim claims Roethlisberger then had sex with her. Friends of the victim attempted to intervene out of worry, but the second of Roethlisberger's bodyguards—another Pennsylvania policeman—avoided eye contact and said he did not know what they were talking about. The policemen later claimed to "have no memory" of meeting the victim

[DoctorK16]

Oh.....I bet if it was some poor minority from the inner city accused of raping an upper class white girl, you have a whole different spin on your opinion

If this was a poor minority doing this to an upper class girl he'd be charged and be in the defendant chair. Goodell would be the least of his worries.

[Ramon Suarez]

Shady issue #2:

Milledgeville Police Sergeant Jerry Blash, who had been photographed with Roethlisberger earlier in the evening, was the first officer to respond to the scene. He resigned on April 15th, 2010, after apparently making a comment at the scene that "this bitch is drunk" in reference to the accuser.

[lucienlc]

Rush to judgment.

The woman's story of what happened changed repeatedly, and there was no physical evidence of rape or sexual assault.

It is just as likely that she is making this up.

Granted, he put himself in a bad situation, but not enough to deserve a 6 game suspension

The girl was probably too drunk to remember what happened clearly -- which is probably why she asked that the case not go forward. That, and not wanting her name and reputation dragged through the mud by the best lawyers a very wealthy asshole could buy.

But other witness accounts were pretty damning about the situation. To say nothing of the blood on her genitals. Maybe you think that's perfectly normal, but I beg to differ.

And it's because of people like you that so many women do not come forward when they are sexually abused. After all, it's a he said-she said, and maybe she's lying, right?

And again, the legal standard is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT in this case. There's a code of conduct. And being alone with a drunk girl in a woman's bathroom while your bodyguard keeps everyone else out is NOT proper conduct under any stretch of the imagination.

[Ramon Suarez]

If this was a poor minority doing this to an upper class girl he'd be charged and be in the defendant chair. Goodell would be the least of his worries.

Agreed. If the minority had participated in similar behavior as Rapistburger. You think he'd be even thinking about playing football right now?

[DoctorK16]

I am not condoning rape -- but this woman's story is fishy and has been from the get go.

And no one here knows what happened and no one here knows if she is telling the truth any more than he is.

Well considering other witness cooberate several parts of her story I doubt this. They may not be enough for reasonable doubt but enough for reasonable suspicion.

[sweetlew]

I will keep all of your outrage in mind the next time someone bitches about an individual being screwed over.

There is not enough evidence to pursue an investigation, and frankly, if the witnesses were at all reliable -- especially given the high visibility of this case and the idiotic behavior of the investigator -- the case would have gone further.

All you have is the word of one woman and a couple of her friends, contradicted by others, with no physical corroboration or neutral third party statements.

That doesn't build a case and shouldn't lead to a six game suspension.

The only evidence of any "wrong doing" is the statement of a drunk girl who changed her story three times.

How does any one of you know she ain't lying?

[sweetlew]

Well considering other witness cooberate several parts of her story I doubt this. They may not be enough for reasonable doubt but enough for reasonable suspicion.

If there was enough for reasonable suspicion there would have been charges press and a further investigation.

Do you think they would dump a high-vis case like this if there was enough to go forward? Come on.

[DoctorK16]

I will keep all of your outrage in mind the next time someone bitches about an individual being screwed over.

There is not enough evidence to pursue an investigation, and frankly, if the witnesses were at all reliable -- especially given the high visibility of this case and the idiotic behavior of the investigator -- the case would have gone further.

All you have is the word of one woman and a couple of her friends, contradicted by others, with no physical corroboration or neutral third party statements.

That doesn't build a case and shouldn't lead to a six game suspension.

The only evidence of any "wrong doing" is the statement of a drunk girl who changed her story three times.

How does any one of you know she ain't lying?

How do you know she is? It's not like this is the first time Ben has been accused of this type of thing. At this point it's fair to draw conclusions as to the kind of human being he is. It would be like if someone said Pacman was acting dumb in a strip club, I would likely believe that too.

[sweetlew]

My favorite part of the story is how two off-duty policeman took part as accessories to rape.

Sorry -- you all have you biases, but I know way too many cops to buy this at all.

Big Ben's body guards or not

[sweetlew]

How do you know she is? It's not like this is the first time Ben has been accused of this type of thing. At this point it's fair to draw conclusions as to the kind of human being he is. It would be like if someone said Pacman was acting dumb in a strip club, I would likely believe that too.

I am not saying she is lying --- you all or assuming that she is telling the truth and that it is gospel.

[DoctorK16]

If there was enough for reasonable suspicion there would have been charges press and a further investigation.

Do you think they would dump a high-vis case like this if there was enough to go forward? Come on.

Absolutely yes, esp. when the defendant is a rich athlete with big lawyers and the town is in awe of him. Kobe went to trial with less evidence, hell Tyson went to jail on less evidence. We know this girl was way to drunk to consent to sex and at best co-erced and at worse dragged in a bathroom where her friends were prevented from accessing her. That right there sounds like false imprisonment.

[lucienlc]

If there was enough for reasonable suspicion there would have been charges press and a further investigation.

Do you think they would dump a high-vis case like this if there was enough to go forward? Come on.

If you have a responsible DA, as opposed to a dickwad trying to make a name for himself, or run for public office, then, yes, I would expect him not to proceed, and put everyone through hell, esp the young lady in question who would then be victimized twice, costing the community a fortune to try the case, given what would be expected from Rothlisburger's attys if he didn't think his case was solid and virtually airtight. It wasn't a great case. That doesn't mean that something terrible didn't happen -- just that because Mr Big Prick kept everyone else away, there were no witnesses to see it.

None of which has anything to do with the NFL Code of Conduct. And it wasn't like this was an isolated incident. BigPrick has a history of bad things happening involving women.

[Ramon Suarez]

No one would be getting charged on this evidence unless the dipshit handling the Duke Lacrosse case was the prosecutor.

Getting a 6 game suspension an losing millions over a he-said / she-said issue is way over the top.

For all you know this woman was pissed that Big Ben didn't call her later and made the story up. Her account of what happened did change THREE times.

If you think this is appropriate, I don't ever want to hear you bitch about the Man coming down on anyone again -- because this is a pretty damn egregious example of an abuse of authority by Goodell.

1.) You want to talk about an egregious example of an abuse of authority? We should talk about how Rapistburger was protected by his police body guard and friend investigator.

2.) It wasn't a he said/she said. She had several friend witnesses whose stories corroborated.

[sweetlew]

So much for my civil libertarian rant on abuse of power.

How about them Mets?

[DoctorK16]

My favorite part of the story is how two off-duty policeman took part as accessories to rape.

Sorry -- you all have you biases, but I know way too many cops to buy this at all.

Big Ben's body guards or not

Well we know one cop basically got fired for calling her drunk bitch and the Pennsy state police are investigating his body guards.

[Ramon Suarez]

My favorite part of the story is how two off-duty policeman took part as accessories to rape.

Sorry -- you all have you biases, but I know way too many cops to buy this at all.

Big Ben's body guards or not

Wow. Are you serious?

[sweetlew]

Absolutely yes, esp. when the defendant is a rich athlete with big lawyers and the town is in awe of him. Kobe went to trial with less evidence, hell Tyson went to jail on less evidence. We know this girl was way to drunk to consent to sex and at best co-erced and at worse dragged in a bathroom where her friends were prevented from accessing her. That right there sounds like false imprisonment.

I agree that the Kobe prosecution was bullshit and that Tyson was convicted on the basis of his reputation, not anything that happened in that hotel room.

Does that mean Ben should get drug through the same BS on the same flimsy ass evidence?

[Ramon Suarez]

Well we know one cop basically got fired for calling her drunk bitch and the Pennsy state police are investigating his body guards.

According to Lew cops would never abuse their power....ever. Someone should send the memo to Internal Affairs departments across the country and save our municipal governments the money.

[Tim]

is it a bigger travesty to put an innocent man in jail, or a guilty man free....I'd say putting an innocent man in jail is..

[sweetlew]

Wow. Are you serious?

I am dead fucking serious.

I have a very hard time believing that any state police officer would be an accessory to rape --- let alone two of them.

[sweetlew]

According to Lew cops would never abuse their power....ever. Someone should send the memo to Internal Affairs departments across the country and save our municipal governments the money.

Abuse of power is one thing --- standing by an watching and assisting in a rape is something totally different.

[fatt lipp]

I am dead fucking serious.

I have a very hard time believing that any state police officer would be an accessory to rape --- let alone two of them.

google "state police officer, rape"

[Dep]

SETTLE DOWN BEAVIS

[sweetlew]

google "state police officer, rape"

I ain't saying it never happens, and I am not saying that there are a bunch of real douche bags out there wearing police uniforms.

I am saying I know a lot of cops -- a handful of them PA State Police btw -- and I find it difficult to imagine two cops aiding and abetting in a rape like this

[lucienlc]

I am dead fucking serious.

I have a very hard time believing that any state police officer would be an accessory to rape --- let alone two of them.

So, you don't think they might have had the same attitude as the cop who showed up and basically said, screw it, she's a drunk bitch, who cares what happened to her.

It's not like the cops held her down or anything. They were just guarding the door, to give Prickhole privacy. Nothing wrong with that, is there? Perfectly innocent.
People can rationalize anything.

[sweetlew]

SETTLE DOWN BEAVIS

El jefe has spoken!

[Dep]

relaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[Dep]

everyone go

OHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM


OHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[sweetlew]

I am all done defending the rights of the individual against over-reaching abuse of power.

[Dep]

.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

relaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

.

[sweetlew]

.

LOL!

I need to print this and put it on my cork board!

[sheadenizen]

I am dead fucking serious.

I have a very hard time believing that any state police officer would be an accessory to rape --- let alone two of them.

and no teacher would sleep or rape a pupil... or no priest would abuse a child. lew even you know you'd be laughed outta court with this defense.

[Dep]

yea, i picked that one cuz of the text. some cool pics

[Lunkwill Fook]

I think it's funny. Lots of self righteousness on both sides.

[Dep]

i love this one:

[Lunkwill Fook]

.

[Lunkwill Fook]

.

[fatt lipp]

relaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

fwiw, this debate was a lot more civil than some I've seen on this site. I appreciate that, unlike other blogs, we can disagree so vociferously and in such spirited fashion on such a red-hot topic, without having it devolve into the name-calling and hateful discourse that is so rife on the interweb.

[sweetlew]

My favorite part of the whole story was how the NFL schedule is tailored around Big Ben's suspension!

Yep, the NFL with their strict code of conduct made sure to keep the Steelers out of prime time games until Big Ben comes back!

[sweetlew]

yea, i picked that one cuz of the text. some cool pics



I noticed that it was from my law school btw

[Lunkwill Fook]

And finally:

[sweetlew]

fwiw, this debate was a lot more civil than some I've seen on this site. I appreciate that, unlike other blogs, we can disagree so vociferously and in such spirited fashion on such a red-hot topic, without having it devolve into the name-calling and hateful discourse that is so rife on the interweb.

Fuck you ass wipe!

[Lunkwill Fook]

fwiw, this debate was a lot more civil than some I've seen on this site. I appreciate that, unlike other blogs, we can disagree so vociferously and in such spirited fashion on such a red-hot topic, without having it devolve into the name-calling and hateful discourse that is so rife on the interweb.

pigfucker

[sheadenizen]

.

that's because Frankie doesn't have to watch Frankie pitch!

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

fwiw, this debate was a lot more civil than some I've seen on this site. I appreciate that, unlike other blogs, we can disagree so vociferously and in such spirited fashion on such a red-hot topic, without having it devolve into the name-calling and hateful discourse that is so rife on the interweb.

That's right...I'm going to reserve my name calling for you and Booey in person tomorrow.

[fatt lipp]

Fuck you ass wipe!

pigfucker
yup, walked right into that one.

any other takers?

[sweetlew]

I think it's funny. Lots of self righteousness on both sides.

The facts make this a pretty polarizing issue.

Once the issue of rape is on the table, people -- rightfully so -- get pretty emotional.

Which is why I believe the league over reached on this.

[fatt lipp]

That's right...I'm going to reserve my name calling for you and Booey in person tomorrow.

You'll be too busy screaming at the TV.

[sweetlew]

yup, walked right into that one.

any other takers?

Couldn't resist! Sorry. ;)

[Lunkwill Fook]

The facts make this a pretty polarizing issue.

Once the issue of rape is on the table, people -- rightfully so -- get pretty emotional.

Which is why I believe the league over reached on this.

Well, while a suspension is definitely warranted, six games is a bit much for me.

[Lunkwill Fook]

yup, walked right into that one.

any other takers?

Slimy sack of shit.

[Dep]

LUTZ!!!! 5th HR BABY!

CAPN KIRK DOUBLE!

w00t!!!!

[Lunkwill Fook]

LUTZ!!!! 5th HR BABY!

CAPN KIRK DOUBLE!

w00t!!!!

He should be suspended.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

You'll be too busy screaming at the TV.

After Ike goes yard?

[fatt lipp]

Well, while a suspension is definitely warranted, six games is a bit much for me.

I don't know what's right and what's too much, but my expectation was 4 games.

[Dep]

fwiw, this debate was a lot more civil than some I've seen on this site. I appreciate that, unlike other blogs, we can disagree so vociferously and in such spirited fashion on such a red-hot topic, without having it devolve into the name-calling and hateful discourse that is so rife on the interweb.

i appreciate that. i honestly only read part of it

i have my reasons for what i said, no biggie. we're all adults and it can get heated and that's fine, we just have to be careful to not let things go overboard. and this was getting there

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Well, while a suspension is definitely warranted, six games is a bit much for me.

Then again the NHL suspends people more for crude remarks than blows to the head.

[Tim]

rape, arson, murder and rape

[fatt lipp]

Slimy sack of shit.

I meant other geex, not other epithets, jagoff.

[Dep]

He should be suspended.

FOR RAPING THAT PITCH!

GONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG