General Discussion Thread 4/14/10: Altitude Sickness

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Must've upset Johnny B Crap's tummy.

[Danny]

I don't know, I thought everything went rather well last night!

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

I don't know, I thought everything went rather well last night!

In the Jerry and Omar Get Fired campaign, yes you're totally right!

[Ed in Westchester]

Maine is a big steaming pile of #2

I mean, he looked so good the first two batters. The called strike 3 to the leadoff guy was great.

But then, the fucking roof caved in.


break out the butter and shell cracker, like a boiled lobster, Maine is done

[Ed in Westchester]

I don't know, I thought everything went rather well last night!

of course, Joe Kings went 2 for 5

:)

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Maine is a big steaming pile of #2

I mean, he looked so good the first two batters. The called strike 3 to the leadoff guy was great.

But then, the fucking roof caved in.


break out the butter and shell cracker, like a boiled lobster, Maine is done

Clever clever, Maine and lobster.

[sweetlew]

Maine is a big steaming pile of #2

I mean, he looked so good the first two batters. The called strike 3 to the leadoff guy was great.

But then, the fucking roof caved in.


break out the butter and shell cracker, like a boiled lobster, Maine is done


The one glimmer of silver lining is that he had more life on his FB and his velocity was up over his last start. Yes he sucked, but if Murphy was at 1b instead of Tatis (or God forbid Davis) the Mets get out of the 3rd with no runs being scored -- Tatis should have had the ground ball that scored Helton.

[sweetlew]

On the radio the announcers were speculating that Maine's issue is just a loss of confidence in his FB.

The best thing my be to do the Steve Trachsel thing to him --- send him down for 2 weeks -- we could give two starts to Figgy........oh wait............

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

The one glimmer of silver lining is that he had more life on his FB and his velocity was up over his last start. Yes he sucked, but if Murphy was at 1b instead of Tatis (or God forbid Davis) the Mets get out of the 3rd with no runs being scored -- Tatis should have had the ground ball that scored Helton.

He wanted the deficit to grow so he could try to match his 2 GS in one inning feat.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Thank God I didn't pay attention to the Mets last night or I might really be bummed.

[sweetlew]

Thank God I didn't pay attention to the Mets last night or I might really be bummed.

I figure we can't lose because either a) the Mets win and we are happy or b) the Mets lose and suck so Jerry and Omar get canned

[sheadenizen]

The one glimmer of silver lining is that he had more life on his FB and his velocity was up over his last start. Yes he sucked, but if Murphy was at 1b instead of Tatis (or God forbid Davis) the Mets get out of the 3rd with no runs being scored -- Tatis should have had the ground ball that scored Helton.

lew, I think you're kidding yourself. If Mark Teixiera was at 1st base, this game was lost. This team can't hit as well can't pitch. Add that to no defense...and you get the NY Mets.
And last night the bullpen imploded from overuse.
Someone mentioned last night that the Mets play on Sunday Night baseball against the Cards this week and Maine pitches. I can think of little that I would rather not see.

[sheadenizen]

Can they send Maine down? Does he have to clear waivers? I can't imagine anyone would pick him up, but maybe Dave Duncan or someone of that ilk could do something with him so someone may be willing to take a chance.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

lew, I think you're kidding yourself. If Mark Teixiera was at 1st base, this game was lost. This team can't hit as well can't pitch. Add that to no defense...and you get the NY Mets.
And last night the bullpen imploded from overuse.
Someone mentioned last night that the Mets play on Sunday Night baseball against the Cards this week and Maine pitches. I can think of little that I would rather not see.

I heard that Tim was going to jump on the field and moon Jerry for us though.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Can they send Maine down? Does he have to clear waivers? I can't imagine anyone would pick him up, but maybe Dave Duncan or someone of that ilk could do something with him so someone may be willing to take a chance.

Transaction done at the start of the Cards series and Maine goes all Jeff Weaver/Jeff Suppan on us?

[sweetlew]

lew, I think you're kidding yourself. If Mark Teixiera was at 1st base, this game was lost. This team can't hit as well can't pitch. Add that to no defense...and you get the NY Mets.
And last night the bullpen imploded from overuse.
Someone mentioned last night that the Mets play on Sunday Night baseball against the Cards this week and Maine pitches. I can think of little that I would rather not see.

I didn't say they would have won --- but if Tatis handled the ground ball that scored Helton - like he should have -- the Mets are out of the 3rd only down 2-0.

I think Maine can recover, but I think he needs 2-3 AAA starts to get his confidence back -- like I said, the one positive is his fastball was up to 90 from 87 during his last start, and he K'ed 4 -- I am not ready to give up on him completely yet, but I think he needs a few starts in the minor to straigthen himself out.

The problem is there is no one reliable to take his starts on the 40 man roster

[sweetlew]

Can they send Maine down? Does he have to clear waivers? I can't imagine anyone would pick him up, but maybe Dave Duncan or someone of that ilk could do something with him so someone may be willing to take a chance.

I don't know how they did it with Trax --- put him on the 15 day DL with "mental issues"

[Ed in Westchester]

On the radio the announcers were speculating that Maine's issue is just a loss of confidence in his FB.

The best thing my be to do the Steve Trachsel thing to him --- send him down for 2 weeks -- we could give two starts to Figgy........oh wait............

I was thinking about Trachsel'ing him just this morning.

When do we stop lamenting the loss of Figgy? I mean, do we really think he is THAT much better than Maine?

[sheadenizen]

I asked this last night. If you walk 6 does it matter if you K 4? Maine has lollie-itis!

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

I didn't say they would have won --- but if Tatis handled the ground ball that scored Helton - like he should have -- the Mets are out of the 3rd only down 2-0.

I think Maine can recover, but I think he needs 2-3 AAA starts to get his confidence back -- like I said, the one positive is his fastball was up to 90 from 87 during his last start, and he K'ed 4 -- I am not ready to give up on him completely yet, but I think he needs a few starts in the minor to straigthen himself out.

The problem is there is no one reliable to take his starts on the 40 man roster

There's no one reliable on the 25 man roster either. Before the entire bullpen sans Dos and Frankie made an appearance I was going to say that Olivo's K didn't count but Fred Snow showed us!

[Ed in Westchester]

I don't know how they did it with Trax --- put him on the 15 day DL with "mental issues"

do they have a 15 day DL for SUCK?

[sweetlew]

Marshall traded to the Dolphins

[Dep]

Maine should be sent down

to

Truck Driving School

to

let him him start his 2nd career early

cuz

he's done.

and

will be out of baseball by 2012

[Dep]

Marshall traded to the Dolphins

haha, i guess they were getting jealous of someone making all the moves

[sheadenizen]

I do think you have to DL him, but I'm not sure. i honestly don't remember what they did with Trax. It seems to me that Trax said he was willing to go down and work on his pitching.

[Tim]

Transaction done at the start of the Cards series and Maine goes all Jeff Weaver/Jeff Suppan on us?

duncan would look at him pitch, walk over to him, re-tie his left shoe a little tighter and have him breath through his eyelids.. Bing bang boom 17 game winner.

[sweetlew]

haha, i guess they were getting jealous of someone making all the moves

'Fins second round pick.

Doesn't matter -- welcome to Reavis Island Mr Marshall

[Dep]

its not like the dolphins pass the ball anyways. they ran right over us last season

better not happen this year

Ginn actually burned us too once

[sweetlew]

I don't buy that Maine is done --- I buy that the Mets ML level coaching staff sucks donkey dick and isn't handling him correctly.

Peterson said Maine was "fragile" and handled him accordingly and he pitched well --- I see the Mets giving up on him and him going somewhere else to be a serviceable starter

[sweetlew]

its not like the dolphins pass the ball anyways. they ran right over us last season

better not happen this year

Ginn actually burned us too once

Ginn was the only guy all year to beat Revis for a TD

They didn't run all over us in the second game -- that was lost b/c of 3 Sanchez turnovers

[Dep]

Maine's shoulder is toast

and he's not good enough to be effective with an 89-90MPH fastball. his slider is garbage and his change isnt far behind it

[Dep]

Ginn was the only guy all year to beat Revis for a TD

They didn't run all over us in the second game -- that was lost b/c of 3 Sanchez turnovers

Kerry Rhodes fault!

we couldnt stop the run, they had like 280 yards or some shit

[sheadenizen]

I don't buy that Maine is done --- I buy that the Mets ML level coaching staff sucks donkey dick and isn't handling him correctly.

Peterson said Maine was "fragile" and handled him accordingly and he pitched well --- I see the Mets giving up on him and him going somewhere else to be a serviceable starter

YUP!

[Dep]

and maine said he has no shoulder pain but it "FEELS CRANKY"

he's done

his shoulder is done

2 surgeries and a million tears later, done

[Danny]

Maine could be sent down without waivers if he agreed to it, methinks.

[Dep]

Nieve to the rotation
Maine to Toledo

[Danny]

Ginn can beat anyone down the field for a TD. No shame in that. He's near world-class speed. But dude has STONE HANDZ

[sweetlew]

Maine's shoulder is toast

and he's not good enough to be effective with an 89-90MPH fastball. his slider is garbage and his change isnt far behind it

His FB sat at 87 in his first start and 90 last night.

He got a fair amount of swings and misses --- I think he will recover.

I also think the Mets training staff and pitching coach are idiots and didn't work with him correctly over the off season

[Dep]

I cant wait for the next time we hear that a pitcher's shoulder surgery is "routine", "not a big deal" and whatever other bullshit the homers n koolaiders are gonna say

clearly!

[Lunkwill Fook]

Send Maine down with "Shoulder weakness", put Nieve in the rotation, bring up a bullpen arm.

[Ed in Westchester]

and maine said he has no shoulder pain but it "FEELS CRANKY"

he's done

his shoulder is done

2 surgeries and a million tears later, done

tears or tears?

you see what I did there?

[Danny]

Lollie should turn it around any day now though!

[sheadenizen]

and maine said he has no shoulder pain but it "FEELS CRANKY"

he's done

his shoulder is done

2 surgeries and a million tears later, done

what the hell does FEELS CRANKY mean? Is that like the team being unprepared? Is that how I felt watching these guys?
What's with this team? Does anyone say anything that means anything?

[Danny]

That's funny, I feel cranky when Maine is out there too.

[sweetlew]

I cant wait for the next time we hear that a pitcher's shoulder surgery is "routine", "not a big deal" and whatever other bullshit the homers n koolaiders are gonna say

clearly!

When are the Mets going to shit can everyone on their training and medical staff?

I mean I have training in combat first aid, and I think I can do a better job than those idiots.

[sheadenizen]

Lollie should turn it around any day now though!

Any day, Danny. Any day! But please don't hold your breath. Blue is not your color!

[sweetlew]

what the hell does FEELS CRANKY mean? Is that like the team being unprepared? Is that how I felt watching these guys?
What's with this team? Does anyone say anything that means anything?

It means that instead of having the medical staff work with him during the off season to continue to rehab and strengthen his shoulder, they ignored him and now he isn't ready to go.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Any day, Danny. Any day! But please don't hold your breath. Blue is not your color!

But we're Mets fans damn it!

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

When are the Mets going to shit can everyone on their training and medical staff?

I mean I have training in combat first aid, and I think I can do a better job than those idiots.

Does that mean we get to shoot Jerry and you can try to fix him?

[sweetlew]

I want Jerry and Omar to pull a Del Negro-Paxson.

At least that would give us something fun to talk about!

[Ed in Westchester]

Ginn can beat anyone down the field for a TD. No shame in that. He's near world-class speed. But dude has STONE HANDZ

Nice avatar Danny

You should photshop your pic over DW's

[sweetlew]

Does that mean we get to shoot Jerry and you can try to fix him?

I can apply tourniquets and patch sucking chest wounds --- not much I can do for head or gut shots, so aim carefully!

[Ed in Westchester]

Does that mean we get to shoot Jerry and you can try to fix him?

I think Lew should just shoot him.

Then "accidently" inject him with too much morphine

done and done

[Danny]

Nice avatar Danny

You should photshop your pic over DW's

But my head would be in a different place OMG WHO SAID THAT

[Dep]

tears or tears?

you see what I did there?

haha nice

[Dep]

Your 2010 Mets: Where fastball pitchers try to reinvent themselves as junkballers

[sweetlew]

But my head would be in a different place OMG WHO SAID THAT

LOL -- its contagious b/c Jerry and Omar's head are somewhere else too

[sweetlew]

Your 2010 Mets: Where fastball pitchers try to reinvent themselves as junkballers

I am starting to think that the pitching coach (whose name I have blocked from my memory) is worse than Jerry

[Lunkwill Fook]

.

[sheadenizen]

LOL -- its contagious b/c Jerry and Omar's head are somewhere else too

Okay, I'll say it...up their asses! There!

[sheadenizen]

I am starting to think that the pitching coach (whose name I have blocked from my memory) is worse than Jerry

I've already concluded that.....a while back!

[sweetlew]

I've already concluded that.....a while back!

Jerry is a buffoon of epic proportions, so it took me awhile to figure out someone could be worse than him

[Ed in Westchester]

But my head would be in a different place OMG WHO SAID THAT

LOL

[peejay]

Nieve to the rotation
Maine to Toledo

i think you spelled toilet wrong

[Ed in Westchester]

If this team really left Maine up to his own devices this past offseason with regard to rehab, then Omar, Jerry, the entire medical staff, and others should be shit canned.

Deriliction of duty.

[peejay]

When are the Mets going to shit can everyone on their training and medical staff?

I mean I have training in combat first aid, and I think I can do a better job than those idiots.

we are going to have to take the arm. nurse, get my saw.

[peejay]

That's funny, I feel cranky when Maine is out there too.

PMS = pitching maine syndrome

symptoms: moodiness, irritability, pain in joints

[sweetlew]

If this team really left Maine up to his own devices this past offseason with regard to rehab, then Omar, Jerry, the entire medical staff, and others should be shit canned.

Deriliction of duty.

I do not ever recall reading anything about Maine over the off season or the Mets in any way working on strengthening his shoulder -- does anyone else?

It would not surprise me in the least if they didn't ---- he came back and through a solid 19 IP at the end of the season, so they probably figured he was fine

[peejay]

i am of the opinion that it is 100% mental with Maine. his composure is as bad as or worse than lollie when the going gets rough. it is an understatement to say the guy is fragile. i suspect that his velocity issue might be the result of him holding back, rather than an underlying injury.

[Dep]

Ragz fanz: did you hear Tortorella say the "locker room has been corrupted" ?

[Danny]

Well, they can't hold everyone's hands. I am sure they gave Maine an offseason program. He's supposed to be professional enough to follow it and report any difficulties. If Maine wasn't ready in March I blame him.

[sweetlew]

i am of the opinion that it is 100% mental with Maine. his composure is as bad as or worse than lollie when the going gets rough. it is an understatement to say the guy is fragile. i suspect that his velocity issue might be the result of him holding back, rather than an underlying injury.

I think he issue is mental as well --- even the radio announcers were saying it just looks like he doesn't trust his FB and won't throw it --- I mean he looked awesome with some of the guys he struck out, and like complete crap with others

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Ragz fanz: did you hear Tortorella say the "locker room has been corrupted" ?

Torts says a lot of things.

[Ed in Westchester]

Ragz fanz: did you hear Tortorella say the "locker room has been corrupted" ?

I didn't realize they had signed Carlos Delgado.

[sweetlew]

Well, they can't hold everyone's hands. I am sure they gave Maine an offseason program. He's supposed to be professional enough to follow it and report any difficulties. If Maine wasn't ready in March I blame him.

Yes and no.

The sixth and final troop leading step is SUPERVISE!

Part of it is on Maine, but if the Mets were counting on him to be in the rotation, then they are equally culpable.

And, with 25 guys on the team, you damn skippy can hold everyone's hand

[sweetlew]

Torts says a lot of things.

B/C he is an asshole

[Dep]

I didn't realize they had signed Carlos Delgado.

nice

[peejay]

Ragz fanz: did you hear Tortorella say the "locker room has been corrupted" ?

i saw the daily news story where he said the top players didn't show up for the last game in philly and called the Christiansen and Jokkinen lines out for being "brutal"

Henrik was rightfully excluded from criticism, dude stood on his head

[Ed in Westchester]

Did you all hear Keith go off last night when they revealed the answer to the trivia question?

Question was "hitters who had 100 extra base hits in a season". List was Luis Gonzalez, Barry Bonds, Helton, Sosa

I thought keith was gonna stroke out.

Said something like "horrible era for baseball, they should forget it happened". Gary tried to get him to say more, but Keith didn't.

I expect Raissman and or Mushnick to blast keith for not going further.

[Lunkwill Fook]

I wonder if Torts is reading the writing on the wall (potentially getting fired) and is going into protect mode.

[Ed in Westchester]

nice

Thanks. I'll be here all week. try the veal.

and the creamed cabbage is beautiful

[Lunkwill Fook]

Did you all hear Keith go off last night when they revealed the answer to the trivia question?

Question was "hitters who had 100 extra base hits in a season". List was Luis Gonzalez, Barry Bonds, Helton, Sosa

I thought keith was gonna stroke out.

Said something like "horrible era for baseball, they should forget it happened". Gary tried to get him to say more, but Keith didn't.

I expect Raissman and or Mushnick to blast keith for not going further.

Albert Belle had 50 doubles/50 homeruns one season.

[Ed in Westchester]

I wonder if Torts is reading the writing on the wall (potentially getting fired) and is going into protect mode.

News reported yesterday he is safe.

[peejay]

Yes and no.

The sixth and final troop leading step is SUPERVISE!



is the first step admitting that there is a higher power?

[Lunkwill Fook]

News reported yesterday he is safe.

Eh news is one thing, reality is anther. Why bash the team when the season's over? Seems pointless.

[Ed in Westchester]

Albert Belle had 50 doubles/50 homeruns one season.

there may have been more to the question (maybe one season with multiple players or some shit).

Helton is apparently only guy to do it twice (I think that is what the graphic said)

[Danny]

Yes and no.

The sixth and final troop leading step is SUPERVISE!

Part of it is on Maine, but if the Mets were counting on him to be in the rotation, then they are equally culpable.

And, with 25 guys on the team, you damn skippy can hold everyone's hand

Sure, in a perfect world. But the Mets don't have control over their assets to the same extent. They are supposed to be professional enough to carry out their orders without strict supervision.

[peejay]

Albert Belle had 50 doubles/50 homeruns one season.

he also led the league in assaults

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

I wonder if Torts is reading the writing on the wall (potentially getting fired) and is going into protect mode.

He ain't getting fired. The worst part was that he was asked early on in his exit press conf about Redden and then he said he wasn't going to get into specific players. But he then goes on to throw Gaborik under the bus. Really? The guy that was your only offense for about half the season. He went on to say he didn't think Gaborik played well in big games. Yeah, game 81 of the season where he made several amazing passes, one that set up Dubinsky's goal and scored the game winner. Or how about the 2 goal performance against the Isles at MSG in March or scoring the winner that capped the comeback a week later? Not to mention the two sick goals he scored early on against the Caps in Washington.

[Dep]

Trade up to 3

Draft Cam Fowler

if we draft him, he'll be my first isles jersey

i'd get a park but he's gonna be gone :(

squad - we have to make a rule where we get to pick one scrub each to keep on our team!

[Dep]

he talked shit about gabby? lol that's crazy

[Lunkwill Fook]

That's what doesn't make sense. Torts seems really like he's in protect mode. You don't throw your star player under the bus when he's there for another six years.

[peejay]

there may have been more to the question (maybe one season with multiple players or some shit).

Helton is apparently only guy to do it twice (I think that is what the graphic said)

Rox announcers were fawning over GMJ during his waste of bat swings. One of them played with his dad and the other babysat for sargette when he was a toddler (perfecting the staggering routes in CF). They said he lost his job in Anaheim when the Angels signed Torii Hunter. I guess that is one way of looking at it. They went through his whole career without mentioning his little PED issue or the fact that he has sucked ever since.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Trade up to 3

Draft Cam Fowler

if we draft him, he'll be my first isles jersey

i'd get a park but he's gonna be gone :(

squad - we have to make a rule where we get to pick one scrub each to keep on our team!

Unfortunately we can't decide who's on or off the rosters in online mode remember?

[Lunkwill Fook]

Can we trade GMjr to the Rockies announcers?

[Dep]

orlando hudson joins the ranks of players to slyly accuse MLB teams of racism

[Dep]

Unfortunately we can't decide who's on or off the rosters in online mode remember?

we must find a way!

we may have to play NHL10 FOREVAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Dep]

That's what doesn't make sense. Torts seems really like he's in protect mode. You don't throw your star player under the bus when he's there for another six years.

yea, i dont get it

[sweetlew]

Sure, in a perfect world. But the Mets don't have control over their assets to the same extent. They are supposed to be professional enough to carry out their orders without strict supervision.

The Mets determined that they were going to rely on Ollie and Maine this season.

Maine missed most of last season due to a weak shoulder that had surgery the year prior.

If they failed to work closely with him this season, it is straight up negligence on their part.

We ain't talking about a guy who they planned on using as a middle reliever -- we are talking about 20% of the starting rotation.

They should have had someone up his ass all off season

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

That's what doesn't make sense. Torts seems really like he's in protect mode. You don't throw your star player under the bus when he's there for another six years.

4 years, but whatever, Gaborik will be there and Torts won't.

He did say some good things, such as wanting Dubi and Del Zotto to keep their heads about them. Don't get too high on themselves after a good game or two and that he hopes they don't rush DZ too soon. But he withheld a lot on Redden and it seems like he's going to push for him to be booted off the team. Doesn't sound like Jokinen or Christensen will be back.

[sheadenizen]

I think he issue is mental as well --- even the radio announcers were saying it just looks like he doesn't trust his FB and won't throw it --- I mean he looked awesome with some of the guys he struck out, and like complete crap with others

What the hell is with the mets and mental case pitchers? is it a qualification for signing. You need a shrink. We'll take you!

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

we must find a way!

we may have to play NHL10 FOREVAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I think they do stop roster updates after a while.

[Danny]

The Mets determined that they were going to rely on Ollie and Maine this season.

Maine missed most of last season due to a weak shoulder that had surgery the year prior.

If they failed to work closely with him this season, it is straight up negligence on their part.

We ain't talking about a guy who they planned on using as a middle reliever -- we are talking about 20% of the starting rotation.

They should have had someone up his ass all off season

Ehh, the problem is much more about roster building, not in offseason oversight.

[Dep]

TV notes:

Justified remains awesome
Lost remains sucky
V actually improving, last nite's was great

[Dep]

I think they do stop roster updates after a while.

OMGZ I NEED NHL09 BACK FROM TIMMAY lol

[peejay]

orlando hudson joins the ranks of players to slyly accuse MLB teams of racism

where have you gone, coco crisp? a nation turns its lonely eyes to you

[Lunkwill Fook]

4 years, but whatever, Gaborik will be there and Torts won't.

He did say some good things, such as wanting Dubi and Del Zotto to keep their heads about them. Don't get too high on themselves after a good game or two and that he hopes they don't rush DZ too soon. But he withheld a lot on Redden and it seems like he's going to push for him to be booted off the team. Doesn't sound like Jokinen or Christensen will be back.

I thought Christensen played great while he was here. Won't miss Jokinen though. This just seems like the kind of stuff you'd say to fire up a team. Why fire up a team right before it goes golfing?

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

OMGZ I NEED NHL09 BACK FROM TIMMAY lol

Nah, I think it will stop before FA and the draft starts.

[Dep]

where have you gone, coco crisp? a nation turns its lonely eyes to you

(lol)

[Danny]

orlando hudson joins the ranks of players to slyly accuse MLB teams of racism

None of this would have happened if Kenny Williams were more like Omar My-guys-ya

[Dep]

HOW CAN GARY SHEFFIELD NOT HAVE A JOB????

YOU RACIST

[Dep]

ESPN's new player profile photo for O-Dwg:

[sweetlew]

Beaulac and Schwiden both pitched well at St Lucie yesterday --- Schwiden K'd 6 in 4 IP and only walked 1.

[Dep]

whew

that wasn't easy!

[Dep]

Beaulac and Schwiden both pitched well at St Lucie yesterday --- Schwiden K'd 6 in 4 IP and only walked 1.

how hard do they throw now? we should start tracking it so we can subtract 4-5MPH to know what they'll throw in 2 years

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

I thought Christensen played great while he was here. Won't miss Jokinen though. This just seems like the kind of stuff you'd say to fire up a team. Why fire up a team right before it goes golfing?

Yeah, but I also think Christensen was kind of like 2006 Endy Chavez. If they get rid of Redden or Rozi then maybe give him a deal, but every $ is going to count for next season.

[Dep]

Carlos Delgado is visiting the Metslol

[sweetlew]

how hard do they throw now? we should start tracking it so we can subtract 4-5MPH to know what they'll throw in 2 years

They will be fine until the MLB coaches get their hands on them!

[Athena]

TV notes:

Justified remains awesome
Lost remains sucky
V actually improving, last nite's was great

I love Justified. Best new show of the entire season. Easily.

[Dep]

as if we needed more proof this whole coaching staff and mgmt team HAVE TO GO


Recall the Mets' spring training emphasis on their pitchers throwing strikes. Now check this story by Adam Rubin, featuring Dan Warthen blaming Mets' starters decreased velocity on the "throw strikes" plan. Chances are the decreased velocity is mainly a product of something besides the plan but this invokes memories of the 80-pitch drill and the focus on going to the opposite field. Just more weirdness from Mets officials.

[sweetlew]

lol

They interviewed him on the radio last night --- he is still a few months away --- be then the Mets will be so out of it, there is no way they sign him -- thankfully!

[Lunkwill Fook]

Yeah, but I also think Christensen was kind of like 2006 Endy Chavez. If they get rid of Redden or Rozi then maybe give him a deal, but every $ is going to count for next season.

There's no way Christensen asks for big bucks. He's barely holding on as an NHL player.

[Dep]

Ollie's magical new cutter

[sheadenizen]

The Mets better have some pitching waiting in the wings because the FA looks mostly mediocre....although mediocre would be a big step up from what we''re currently running out there.....lol!
That's why having mejia here is the most egregious error of the year!

[Dep]

They interviewed him on the radio last night --- he is still a few months away --- be then the Mets will be so out of it, there is no way they sign him -- thankfully!

they'll sign him for next season

julio franco's role GOES UNFILLED

[sweetlew]

they'll sign him for next season

julio franco's role GOES UNFILLED

Only if the new GM is as dumb as Omar

[sheadenizen]

as if we needed more proof this whole coaching staff and mgmt team HAVE TO GO

can you spell C-L-U-E-L-E-S-S?
How Fred Wilpon is not ripping his hair out is beyond me. Does anyone in this frickin' organization take responsibilty for anything?

[Dep]

Only if the new GM is as dumb as Omar

Hired by the wilpons...its a possibility.

agrees to work for the wilpons? DEFINITE POSSIBILITY

[Athena]

as if we needed more proof this whole coaching staff and mgmt team HAVE TO GO

They really are useless. And they should stop talking to the media if they can't prevent themselves from making up nonsense crap to cover for answers that they don't have. Whatever happened to
"no comment"
"I don't want to speculate"
"I have no earthly idea"
. . . just stop giving interviews if you're just going to throw kerosene on the fire.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

There's no way Christensen asks for big bucks. He's barely holding on as an NHL player.

Center is a logjam position for the Rangers, not that they have an elite one but without Christensen/Prospal they still have Drury/Dubi/Anisimov/Boyle. Although I think Dubi is getting converted into a winger.

[sheadenizen]

lol

No wonder the mets got killed last night. He screwed up the chemistry in the clubhouse. We all know that!

[peejay]

what to expect next: rash of neck injuries due to jerry's tumbling drills that improve agility

[Lunkwill Fook]

Based on nothing but my gut: John Maine won't be making his next start Sunday in St Louis. He's in a bad place right now..

[sweetlew]

Hired by the wilpons...its a possibility.

agrees to work for the wilpons? DEFINITE POSSIBILITY

Hopefully they can be smart like Dan Snyder finally was --- hire a good coach and GM and get the F out of the way!

[Lunkwill Fook]

Center is a logjam position for the Rangers, not that they have an elite one but without Christensen/Prospal they still have Drury/Dubi/Anisimov/Boyle. Although I think Dubi is getting converted into a winger.

They've said they like Dubi on the wing and doubt they'll move him back to center. And Boyle really was a disappointment. He didn't get any better as the season progressed. And Prospal can still play the wing.

[sweetlew]

Based on nothing but my gut: John Maine won't be making his next start Sunday in St Louis. He's in a bad place right now.

Willie?

[Athena]

what to expect next: rash of neck injuries due to jerry's tumbling drills that improve agility


Haha!

[Rave]

I couldn’t bear to watch much of last night’s game, so I caught one ‘ask the booth’ but did not hear the response. Why is Bob Melvin considered the favorite to replace Jerjer and not an 86er like Wally or Timmy or Hojo to appease the fans?

What was the booth response?

[Dep]

that was Burkhardt

[Athena]

I couldn’t bear to watch much of last night’s game, so I caught one ‘ask the booth’ but did not hear the response. Why is Bob Melvin considered the favorite to replace Jerjer and not an 86er like Wally or Timmy or Hojo to appease the fans?

What was the booth response?

They said that there weren't really any favorites and that it is difficult to speculate about a front runner before the manager is actually gone. They answered an earlier question saying that they did not believe that Jerry had "lost the team." Too early to anticipate a firing.

[Dep]

.

[Lunkwill Fook]

How come no one ever points to Oberkfell as a possible manager anywhere?

[peejay]

can you spell C-L-U-E-L-E-S-S?
How Fred Wilpon is not ripping his hair out is beyond me. Does anyone in this frickin' organization take responsibilty for anything?

it must take some restraint. i am not one of the people who is constantly screaming for jer and omar's head, but i would have fired everyone after last night. just meet them in the locker room after the game and say get the fuck out. unfortunately, i think they won't change it up until the ASB and even then, i don't think it makes a difference

[sweetlew]

that was Burkhardt

I know --- I found that stupid "reporting" --- way to give us your "gut" bozo.

[sweetlew]

I couldn’t bear to watch much of last night’s game, so I caught one ‘ask the booth’ but did not hear the response. Why is Bob Melvin considered the favorite to replace Jerjer and not an 86er like Wally or Timmy or Hojo to appease the fans?

What was the booth response?

The same reason Jacobs earned the spot over Carter --- he has MLB experience

[Rave]

They said that there weren't really any favorites and that it is difficult to speculate about a front runner before the manager is actually gone. They answered an earlier question saying that they did not believe that Jerry had "lost the team." Too early to anticipate a firing.

Thanks, Athena.

I thought it was mind-boggling that they would openly talk about Jerjer’s demise as if it’s fait accompli.

[Dep]

I think i just found a new avatar

[Dep]

I know --- I found that stupid "reporting" --- way to give us your "gut" bozo.

haha, welllll its twitter i'm sure.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

They've said they like Dubi on the wing and doubt they'll move him back to center. And Boyle really was a disappointment. He didn't get any better as the season progressed. And Prospal can still play the wing.

No to Prospal. He faded as the season wore on. He'll be 35 next year so if he sucks they can't waive his cap hit. But I fully expect the Rangers to bring him back.

[Rave]

How come no one ever points to Oberkfell as a possible manager anywhere?

I think someone in the high-ups must not like him. I remember he was brought up as a coach one September and was promptly back in AAA the next year.

[Dep]

awwww man, you cant read it now. boo

[sweetlew]

it must take some restraint. i am not one of the people who is constantly screaming for jer and omar's head, but i would have fired everyone after last night. just meet them in the locker room after the game and say get the fuck out. unfortunately, i think they won't change it up until the ASB and even then, i don't think it makes a difference

I could live with this if they were smart enough to plan for the future --- put Meija back in minors to develop as a starter.

After the ASB, trade Frenchy for something decent -- promote Martinez, Thole and Davis to start everyday and play the second half of the year

Promote Tejada to be the back-up MI and get plenty of ML ABs.

Then we would know for sure what we have in the young guys and be all set for 2011

[Athena]

Thanks, Athena.

I thought it was mind-boggling that they would openly talk about Jerjer’s demise as if it’s fait accompli.

And you were right! They didn't.

[sweetlew]

Thanks, Athena.

I thought it was mind-boggling that they would openly talk about Jerjer’s demise as if it’s fait accompli.

well, it is -- everyone knows he isn't going to last the season.

[Athena]

awwww man, you cant read it now. boo

Boooo is right. It is an awesome picture! Very funny!

[Dep]

yeaaaaa its gone now though, no worky without the texty

[Lunkwill Fook]

No to Prospal. He faded as the season wore on. He'll be 35 next year so if he sucks they can't waive his cap hit. But I fully expect the Rangers to bring him back.

Yeah, but that doesn't really matter as much if we just sign him to another $1 million, 1 year deal. I mean, who knows if he'd take it. Isn't he still getting paid out by Tampa releasing him?

[sheadenizen]

Thanks, Athena.

I thought it was mind-boggling that they would openly talk about Jerjer’s demise as if it’s fait accompli.

I guess not having seen the game you might not know...there was actually was nothing else to talk about. It was a disaster from beginning to end....in every phase of the game.

BTW...good luck in the playoffs, Rave. Go Devils!

[Lunkwill Fook]

I think someone in the high-ups must not like him. I remember he was brought up as a coach one September and was promptly back in AAA the next year.

I'm not even just talking about the Mets. You never hear his name mentioned when other teams have coaching vacancies.

[Ed in Westchester]

TV notes:

Justified remains awesome
Lost remains sucky
V actually improving, last nite's was great

HDY!

I thought it was good. Lot's of things coming together

hater

[Ed in Westchester]

as if we needed more proof this whole coaching staff and mgmt team HAVE TO GO


Recall the Mets' spring training emphasis on their pitchers throwing strikes. Now check this story by Adam Rubin, featuring Dan Warthen blaming Mets' starters decreased velocity on the "throw strikes" plan. Chances are the decreased velocity is mainly a product of something besides the plan but this invokes memories of the 80-pitch drill and the focus on going to the opposite field. Just more weirdness from Mets officials.


Well, it's obviously Tony B's fault.

oh, wait...

[Dep]

haha, i dont know. i was pretty damn bored most of the ep

Desmond finding locke in the alternate timeline was pretty sweet though

[sheadenizen]

awwww man, you cant read it now. boo

what is it? I don't get it although it is colorful!

[peejay]

well, it is -- everyone knows he isn't going to last the season.

he is already living on one of those miracle max recovery balls

[fatt lipp]

I could live with this if they were smart enough to plan for the future --- put Meija back in minors to develop as a starter.

After the ASB, trade Frenchy for something decent -- promote Martinez, Thole and Davis to start everyday and play the second half of the year

Promote Tejada to be the back-up MI and get plenty of ML ABs.

Then we would know for sure what we have in the young guys and be all set for 2011
That will only happen if:
1. Jer is gone by then (which I think is a done deal), and more importantly,
2. FO gives Omar vote of confidence for 2011 and tells him to shut down 2010 and retool for 2011.

[sheadenizen]

I'm not even just talking about the Mets. You never hear his name mentioned when other teams have coaching vacancies.

Maybe he's not that good? I have no clue?

[Dep]

what is it? I don't get it although it is colorful!

i changed it now. the other was the nets statue and you couldnt read the text on it

this one is a psychedelic pot leaf!

[Ed in Westchester]

Based on nothing but my gut: John Maine won't be making his next start Sunday in St Louis. He's in a bad place right now.
.

Willie was interviewed?

[sweetlew]

That will only happen if:
1. Jer is gone by then (which I think is a done deal), and more importantly,
2. FO gives Omar vote of confidence for 2011 and tells him to shut down 2010 and retool for 2011.

Or

2. Omar is canned and the new GM is told to focus on 2011.

That is a much better outcome I think

[Rave]

I guess not having seen the game you might not know...there was actually was nothing else to talk about. It was a disaster from beginning to end....in every phase of the game.

BTW...good luck in the playoffs, Rave. Go Devils!

Wow, thanks. I didn't think you cared about my evil ones.

Sniffles.

[Lunkwill Fook]

That's a thought I just had: do you realize that all four of our "veteran" starting pitchers have featured decreased velocity in the last year? Seriously, fire the pitching coach NOW before he fucks up Niese.

[Ed in Westchester]

haha, i dont know. i was pretty damn bored most of the ep

Desmond finding locke in the alternate timeline was pretty sweet though

that was shocking

wifey and I were like "whoa"

[fatt lipp]

well, it is -- everyone knows he isn't going to last the season.

It must be strange to be a manager in ST and already know you're not going to see the ASB. And Jer had to know he'd be sacrificed by May, given the roster.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Yeah, but that doesn't really matter as much if we just sign him to another $1 million, 1 year deal. I mean, who knows if he'd take it. Isn't he still getting paid out by Tampa releasing him?

Yes he gets paid. For next season they have the following forwards under contract:
C: Drury/Anisimov/Boyle
LW: Dubi/Avery/Voros/Brashear (or at least his cap hit)
RW: Gaborik/Callahan

So maybe they bring back Prospal as a center. Maybe it comes at the expense of setting Voros free. Evgeny Grachev, Parenteau (who I think is marginal talent at best), Dane Byers possibly as 3rd/4th line RW choices. All bets are off though if they bury Redden in HFD or trade Rozsival.

[Dep]

bwahahahahahha. lew, ed - watch

[Ed in Westchester]

Mayhbe they fire Jer after the game tomorrow night?

You know, late night, like Willie

[Dep]

ok, this one is for everyone. Super Bowl Google commercial - mets theme.

[fatt lipp]

Or

2. Omar is canned and the new GM is told to focus on 2011.

That is a much better outcome I think

But not likely. I don't see Omar gone before August.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Wow, thanks. I didn't think you cared about my evil ones.

Sniffles.

Her other choices are probably finishing up the front 9 by now.

[Ed in Westchester]

bwahahahahahha. lew, ed - watch



I see nothing. youtube be blocked

I'll try to look tonight.

[sheadenizen]

i changed it now. the other was the nets statue and you couldnt read the text on it

this one is a psychedelic pot leaf!

I thought you meant there was something on this that couldn't be read. Now I get it. I loved the nets picture.

[Rave]

I'm not even just talking about the Mets. You never hear his name mentioned when other teams have coaching vacancies.

Right. Teams just keep recycling managers.

[fatt lipp]

Mayhbe they fire Jer after the game tomorrow night?

You know, late night, like Willie

nope. then Omar would have no one else to blame for the remaining 2010 suckitude and be on the fan/msm hotseat himself. things need to be more desperate -- like 18-32 after 50 games desperate.

[Athena]

bwahahahahahha. lew, ed - watch



Hee!

[sheadenizen]

But not likely. I don't see Omar gone before August.

And who the hell do your hire in July or August. I sure don't want that clone Ricco getting the job. I think you have to wait until after the season.

[Ed in Westchester]

Outside of firing Jer (which should be step 1), this is what I want to see

1. Send Meija down to AA to start
2. Cut Castillo
3. Bring up Tejada to play 2nd
4. DL Maine
5. Sign Washburn (he can't be any worse, can he?)
6. Make sure Reese Havens is playing 2nd base (assuming he gets/is healthy)
7. Trade Frenchy
8. Bring up F!
9. Trade/cut GMjr


basically, as my dad says "drop back ten and punt"

they ain't gonna compete for the WC, much less the division, this year.

[Dep]

I see nothing. youtube be blocked

I'll try to look tonight.

its a news report detailing the trade - then it cuts to like best buy commercial with a guy going THATS A LOW PRICE!

[Lunkwill Fook]

We're batting .180 with RISP. Yay!

[sheadenizen]

Her other choices are probably finishing up the front 9 by now.

root, root for the home team!

[Dep]

We're batting .180 with RISP. Yay!

and .1808 overall!

[fatt lipp]

btw lunk, I think I'm waiting for the HTC Incredible later this month. supposedly the Eris successor, with faster os.

[sweetlew]

bwahahahahahha. lew, ed - watch



LOL!!!!!!

F-U Pittsburgh!

[sweetlew]

And who the hell do your hire in July or August. I sure don't want that clone Ricco getting the job. I think you have to wait until after the season.

Melvin? Think he is here to become future GM?

[Rave]

I want Warthen gone now. This morning.

[Dep]

that JayZ/Beatles mash-up tape is really good stuff. grey album or whatever it is

forgot how good it is

[fatt lipp]

And who the hell do your hire in July or August. I sure don't want that clone Ricco getting the job. I think you have to wait until after the season.

Unfortunately, I'm seeing Ricco as the odds-on favorite. Firing Omar in August gives Ricco a month to "evaluate, assess and plan" roster and offseason changes. At least that will be the line coming from FO.

[Rave]

And who the hell do your hire in July or August. I sure don't want that clone Ricco getting the job. I think you have to wait until after the season.

Kim Ng!!

Kim Ng for President!

[Lunkwill Fook]

and .1808 overall!

At least we're consistent.

[Lunkwill Fook]

btw lunk, I think I'm waiting for the HTC Incredible later this month. supposedly the Eris successor, with faster os.

I'm on Sprint so I'm looking at the HTC Evo. Doesn't have a slide out keyboard though which makes me sad.

[sheadenizen]

Melvin? Think he is here to become future GM?

He is a bit unconventional. The mets could use a little of that instead of...he's the vet. he gets to play!
I don't honestly know that much about him and whether he would be good.

[Ed in Westchester]

geeks, it's all good

they're gonna have a "dialogue" about Maine

we be saved

[Ed in Westchester]

its a news report detailing the trade - then it cuts to like best buy commercial with a guy going THATS A LOW PRICE!

LOLLER

[Lunkwill Fook]

Unfortunately, I'm seeing Ricco as the odds-on favorite. Firing Omar in August gives Ricco a month to "evaluate, assess and plan" roster and offseason changes. At least that will be the line coming from FO.

I think you're totally right. Ricco is being positioned to slide right into Omar's place.

[sheadenizen]

Unfortunately, I'm seeing Ricco as the odds-on favorite. Firing Omar in August gives Ricco a month to "evaluate, assess and plan" roster and offseason changes. At least that will be the line coming from FO.

UGH! UGH! UGH!

[Ed in Westchester]

its a news report detailing the trade - then it cuts to like best buy commercial with a guy going THATS A LOW PRICE!

staples, not best buy

KNOW YOUR POP CULTURE REFERENCES ROOK!!!!

[Dep]

At least we're consistent.

ha, consistently shitty!

[Dep]

staples, not best buy

KNOW YOUR POP CULTURE REFERENCES ROOK!!!!

haha, dep don't watch commercials. thanks tho

[sheadenizen]

I think you're totally right. Ricco is being positioned to slide right into Omar's place.

Same old same old. Can't we get one of the new fangled whiz kids like texas instead of the same old crap. What's the point. Nothing will change?

[Dep]

oh i do watch sometimes though

the commercial i absolutely adore right now, i think its for some phone, is the one where stuffed animals/toys left in a car come alive and go bowling and do extreme sports. like a robot, a monkey, a pink thing with spikes

dep adores it

[sweetlew]

oh i do watch sometimes though

the commercial i absolutely adore right now, i think its for some phone, is the one where stuffed animals/toys left in a car come alive and go bowling and do extreme sports. like a robot, a monkey, a pink thing with spikes

dep adores it

A car commercial

[Dep]

A car commercial

or that!

know what car?

[Rave]

I think you're totally right. Ricco is being positioned to slide right into Omar's place.

I think he was, but he flunked his first test.

[Dep]

its a KIA

[fatt lipp]

I think he was, but he flunked his first test.
the presser, you mean? yeah, pretty fugly. but I could even live with Omar II at the podium if the guy is a talented GM.

[Athena]

oh i do watch sometimes though

the commercial i absolutely adore right now, i think its for some phone, is the one where stuffed animals/toys left in a car come alive and go bowling and do extreme sports. like a robot, a monkey, a pink thing with spikes

dep adores it

I love that one too. It's for a car of some kind.

[fatt lipp]

[QUOTE=Dep;45905]its a KIA

ha! love the robot doing the robot.

[Athena]

I love the slow motion walk into the casino! And the stitched tattoo!! :)

[Rave]

the presser, you mean? yeah, pretty fugly. but I could even live with Omar II at the podium if the guy is a talented GM.

Yeah, the press con where he failed to run over Beltran with the bus and managed to get all the blame heaped on Jeffy instead. Notice that he was never heard from again.

I don't want another Omar. I want changes, dammit.

[Dep]

ha! love the robot doing the robot.

yup one of the best parts

i love the song too, has a badass feel to it

[sheadenizen]

I think he was, but he flunked his first test.

If you mean...Beltran didn't ask us for permission for the surgery...oops maybe he did presser...you are right. I told you he was a clone of Omar!

[fatt lipp]

Yeah, the press con where he failed to run over Beltran with the bus and managed to get all the blame heaped on Jeffy instead. Notice that he was never heard from again.

I don't want another Omar. I want changes, dammit.

I just don't see the Pons going for a big, expensive name. They'll cheap out and promote from within. Our only hope is an unemployed former GM looking to reclaim his career.

[Dep]

Treme already picked up for 2nd season




Quote:
The move is a significant leap of faith for the network — the show just premiered Sunday night to 1.4 million viewers in its combined airings. By comparison, the final season of modestly rated “The Wire” averaged 890,000 for premiere episodes.

But HBO president Michael Lombardo tells THR that the network loves “Treme” so much that a pickup was inevitable.

“We would have picked up this show last week,” Lombardo said. “We’ve seen the first nine episodes it’s as strong as any show we’ve seen. Much like ‘The Wire,’ the audience is so passionate and so invested. We’re about servicing our subscriber base and I believe that people will become addicted to this show. We have to be a place where this kind of excellence is given space to continue.”

[fatt lipp]

Still haven't seen the Treme premiere. But it's loaded on my DVR.

[peejay]

We're batting .180 with RISP. Yay!

whats a RISP?

boopbayblowsbeep

[Dep]

Still haven't seen the Treme premiere. But it's loaded on my DVR.

you got time, its pretty slow. lots of setup. i would wait and let a 2nd one tape and knock em out together

i've heard it takes 3 full eps to really get in gear

[Dep]

whats a RISP?

boopbayblowsbeep

the opposite of A MET

[fatt lipp]

whats a RISP?

boopbayblowsbeep

Enjoy your $67MM, Jason. Keep thinking about your bank account on your daily commute to CF this summer.

[peejay]

teams worse than us (for now)
Baltimore, Dodgers, Astros

[fatt lipp]

you got time, its pretty slow. lots of setup. i would wait and let a 2nd one tape and knock em out together

i've heard it takes 3 full eps to really get in gear
duly noted. thanks.

[DoctorK16]

If you mean...Beltran didn't ask us for permission for the surgery...oops maybe he did presser...you are right. I told you he was a clone of Omar!

I wonder if Jon Daniels would like to come home.

[Dep]

i'm sad no more how to make it in america

that show was underrated

[peejay]

[QUOTE=Dep;45905]its a KIA

ha! love the robot doing the robot.

that studded dildo is an awesome bowler

[sheadenizen]

teams worse than us (for now)
Baltimore, Dodgers, Astros

When you're behind the nationals and padres, it's pretty damn scary!

[fatt lipp]

i'm sad no more how to make it in america

that show was underrated

kind of surprising that it didn't approximate Entourage's success, given similar target demo. not enough boobs, mebbe?

[DoctorK16]

This team isn't as bad as the first week, but it's hard to be an optimist right now.

[four3two1]

I think he was, but he flunked his first test.

was ricco brought in by omar? if so, i have no confidence in him. he must go.

[fatt lipp]

[QUOTE=fatt lipp;45908]

that studded dildo is an awesome bowler

That would make an awesome CIA code phrase.

[peejay]

When you're behind the nationals and padres, it's pretty damn scary!

when was the last time we had a winning percentage lower than the pirates?

[peejay]

[QUOTE=peejay;45924]

That would make an awesome CIA code phrase.

i was trying to trigger lew into assassin mode for his colorado mission: jerjer go byebye

[DoctorK16]

when was the last time we had a winning percentage lower than the pirates?

I would have to think the 1993 season would be it when they like won the division and we threw firecrackers and bleach.

[Tim]

[QUOTE=fatt lipp;45908]

that studded dildo is an awesome bowler

that is Yo Gabba Gabba...my daughter watches it. Biz Marque is on it...

[fatt lipp]

[QUOTE=fatt lipp;45929]

i was trying to trigger lew into assassin mode for his colorado mission: jerjer go byebye

lmao! where's angela lansbury when you need her? oh yeah, that's right: on broadway.

[Athena]

This team isn't as bad as the first week, but it's hard to be an optimist right now.

Well said

[peejay]

[QUOTE=peejay;45924]

that is Yo Gabba Gabba...my daughter watches it. Biz Marque is own it...

tim knows dildos

oh baby you, you got what i need, but you say he's just a toy, you say he's just a toy

[sheadenizen]

This team isn't as bad as the first week, but it's hard to be an optimist right now.

Doc, I mentioned last night....it's not about the 2-5 record. It's that this is the exact team they've been for 2 years. Once they're behind...there's no coming back. They can't hit with RISP. They don't talk walks or pitches.They let mediocre pitches make them look silly. They play shoddy defense, Exactly the same problems as in the past. It's not about their current record. And if you think Maine and lollie are going to improve....think again.

[DoctorK16]

Doc, I mentioned last night....it's not about the 2-5 record. It's that this is the exact team they've been for 2 years. Once they're behind...there's no coming back. They can't hit with RISP. They don't talk walks or pitches.They let mediocre pitches make them look silly. They play shoddy defense, Exactly the same problems as in the past. It's not about their current record. And if you think Maine and lollie are going to improve....think again.

Exactly, the themes are the same. I am actually more bullish on Ollie figuring something out than Maine. His fastball has no life, his command is awful and he wants pitch up in the zone. You can't get major league hitters out with that combo.

[peejay]

This team isn't as bad as the first week, but it's hard to be an optimist right now.

i disagree.

i think they are better with beltran. wright and bay are obviously not where they could be, but there isn't a reason to pitch to them right now. reyes hasn't played much yet.

those are the points for improvement.

the bullpen has been better than expected. i think yoyo wins half of his starts, what is the most we can expect from niese? pelf? the rest of the SP is trash

[Tim]

[QUOTE=Tim;45933]

tim knows dildos

oh baby you, you got what i need, but you say he's just a toy, you say he's just a toy

I own the largest collection of early colonial marital aids this side if the Mississippi, one owned by Susan B Anthony is quite valuable..

[Dep]

Rubin: Simply Put, the Mets Cannot Compete.

[DoctorK16]

Outside of firing Jer (which should be step 1), this is what I want to see

1. Send Meija down to AA to start
2. Cut Castillo
3. Bring up Tejada to play 2nd
4. DL Maine
5. Sign Washburn (he can't be any worse, can he?)
6. Make sure Reese Havens is playing 2nd base (assuming he gets/is healthy)
7. Trade Frenchy
8. Bring up F!
9. Trade/cut GMjr


basically, as my dad says "drop back ten and punt"

they ain't gonna compete for the WC, much less the division, this year.

As much as I hate to say it, trading Carlos Beltran has to be part of a plan like this no?