General Discussion Thread: Peanuts and Crackers Edition. 3/15/10

[Chris in Ga]

just set up a bracket for us at ESPN

the group name is Full Court Geek
and the password is metsgeek

let the ball busting begin


Sign up you all.

[Chris in Ga]

Globetrotters come to Dalton tonight! How does one become a Washington General?

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Go Spiders! I might have only attended < 5 games when I was there but you can get me a point or two in my office bracket.

[Ed in Westchester]

Santana pitches 4 scoreless

ALL IS WELL!!!!!!!

THE TITLE IS OURS!!!!!!!!!!

(I am worried about Maine)

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Didn't Ollie pitch a non-meltdown innings too? #2 starter???

[Lunkwill Fook]

Morning. Are we still doomed?

[Ed in Westchester]

Morning. Are we still doomed?

Always

[Ed in Westchester]

Didn't Ollie pitch a non-meltdown innings too? #2 starter???

meh

LOLlie being LOLlie

In other words, he still sucks

[Lunkwill Fook]

Good. I'd hate to feel positive for even a second.

[Lunkwill Fook]

It's the sort of thing that is much more likely to happen in fantasy baseball than in real life, but according to sources, an idea has been kicked around the Phillies' organization internally, with discussions about proposing a swap of slugger Ryan Howard for St. Louis superstar Albert Pujols.

The fuck?

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Good. I'd hate to feel positive for even a second.

Even after Dubi smacked Mike Richards around?

[Lunkwill Fook]

Even after Dubi smacked Mike Richards around?

That was nice. He really beat the shit out of him.

[Lunkwill Fook]

By the way, I think people are slowly but surely starting to realize that Ovechkin is dangerous. Like I said last year.

[Lunkwill Fook]

And here's the worst thing about Ovechkin. This is his quote after the incident:


"There's nothing I can do right now. He just fell and this happens," Ovechkin said.

It's on video, you fucking moron. You quite clearly threw him into the wall.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

By the way, I think people are slowly but surely starting to realize that Ovechkin is dangerous. Like I said last year.

He's dangerous with legal hits because he's a freight train when he's skating at full speed. The illegal hits make it worse. I know there's the debate as to whether his hit was dirty because some people interpret it that Campbell was turning and put himself in a vulnerable position. Yes he was turning because he was going to glide around the net after reversing the puck up the boards and essentially disengaging himself from the play. It's one thing if he was skating in the opposite direction (or essentially skating into the play), I haven't really seen any mention of the position of the puck when it comes to determining whether the hit was clean or not. Some people say it's finishing your check, but it was an unnecessary follow through whether he shoved him into the boards or slightly grazed him with his shoulder.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Exactly. It was unnecessary and Campbell was vulnerable. That's the kind of thing that the NHL is trying to avoid.

The problem with Ovechkin and why I think he truly IS dangerous is that he doesn't learn. When he got suspended for kneeing Gleason earlier in the season, he vowed that he wouldn't change his playing style and that the suspension just made him angrier.

WHAT?

He truly is a million dollar player with million dollar skills and a ten cent head.

[Lunkwill Fook]

That being said, there's no way they suspend him. Not after letting Matt Cooke get off scottfree.

Here's a question: if you get ejected three times in a season for injuring opposing team's players, don't you think it's hypocritical of the league to award you the MVP?

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

That being said, there's no way they suspend him. Not after letting Matt Cooke get off scottfree.

Here's a question: if you get ejected three times in a season for injuring opposing team's players, don't you think it's hypocritical of the league to award you the MVP?

If the Caps win the cup that will all be forgotten. As much as you can praise Messier for his leadership and attitude, the dude laid some nasty and illegal hits on people in his day. I still remember how he blindsided Modano that one game. I think Modano might have been out before he hit the ice, with his helmet out of place.

[sheadenizen]

Puhleeze...

Hey, Rex Ryan told us he was working on his abs this offseason.

Turns out, doctors were working on them, also.

Ryan, who in his first season as a NFL head coach guided the New York Jets to the AFC Championship Game and one victory shy of the Super Bowl, underwent weight-loss surgery Saturday at NYU Medical Center, the team confirmed over the weekend.

The out-patient lap-band procedure was Ryan's latest stab in his bout with obesity. He also underwent surgery to repair a hernia.

Team officials said Ryan, 47, was at his home in New Jersey and relaxing following the procedure, which wrapped an adjustable band around the upper part of his stomach, allowing less food to enter the stomach and decreasing appetite. That should be a good thing for Ryan, given the publicity his belly got this offseason.

[Lunkwill Fook]

If the Caps win the cup that will all be forgotten. As much as you can praise Messier for his leadership and attitude, the dude laid some nasty and illegal hits on people in his day. I still remember how he blindsided Modano that one game. I think Modano might have been out before he hit the ice, with his helmet out of place.

Yeah, but I believe the voting for MVP comes before the playoffs. Whether they win the Cup or not should have no bearing on the eventual MVP award winner.

[sheadenizen]

From Len Berman....


The latest twist in personal seat licenses. In Boston, at Jerry Remy’s Sports Bar & Grill near Fenway Park, $500. guarantees you a "season ticket" for Red Sox games. You pay to watch the games on TV. I'm thinking of selling PSL's in my basement.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Yeah, but I believe the voting for MVP comes before the playoffs. Whether they win the Cup or not should have no bearing on the eventual MVP award winner.

He'll get MVP votes. Especially if he wins the Ross and Richard trophies again. When was the last time you heard of a player winning the scoring and/or points titles and not getting a nod for the Hart? The voters never get the Hart trophy right anyway. It's precise definition is the player most valuable to his team. If that were the case then Lundqvist would have at least one Hart nomination along with his ones for the Vezina.

[Lunkwill Fook]

He'll get MVP votes. Especially if he wins the Ross and Richard trophies again. When was the last time you heard of a player winning the scoring and/or points titles and not getting a nod for the Hart? The voters never get the Hart trophy right anyway. It's precise definition is the player most valuable to his team. If that were the case then Lundqvist would have at least one Hart nomination along with his ones for the Vezina.

Oh, he'll definitely get his votes. I just think it'll be hypocritical if/when he wins it (he certainly is the front runner).

[Danny]

Maine is happy that his shoulder didn't fall off, so I guess I am also happy about that.

I have a feeling we will like the Barajas acquisition. He'll hit enough and be solid back there. And we didn't go crazy for him. He makes Blanco kind of unnecessary, but we wouldn't have gotten Barajas that cheap if we had gotten him earlier in the offseason, so it's just one of those things. If only Reyes weren't in traction I could have some hope for this damn team.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Honestly, I'd be happy right now if we'd found a way to ditch Castillo and have a serviceable 2nd baseman like Lopez. I'd feel better about both the lineup and the team defense up the middle which, in turn, would make me feel better about the pitching.

[sheadenizen]

It bothered me that Maine siad he didn't like warming up while Santana was pitching. John, you're a pitcher...what difference does it make? I guess he's trying to counter the send him to the bullpen throng before it begins again.
Try getting outs regardless...K? Thnx!

And poor Figgz. All he does is throw strikes and get outs. Why would we possibly consider him for the bullpen?

[Danny]

And Ovie leads the league in not only points, but plus/minus. I don't see the outrage if he wins the MVP again this year. And if Campbell wasn't such a biatch he wouldn't have even fallen over when he barely got pushed.

/caps fan

(it's so fun to tweak Lunk about Ovie)

[sheadenizen]

It's become quite fashionable to blame Castillo for all the woes of this team. I understand his range is awful, but in the scheme of things, he's a blip. This team has much bigger fish to fry.

[Danny]

Shea, I've said it before and I'll say it again: Pitchers are probably the biggest divas in sports, certainly they are in baseball. They are like the WRs of the NFL. They want to "know their roles" and have "set routines" and all this BS. They get babied so much throughout their careers that it empowers them to a large extent.

[Danny]

That's true, shea. But I personally just hate watching him play and I would give the Mets $5 to get rid of him.

[Ed in Westchester]

I can see where Maine is coming from with his comments about not being comfortable coming out of the pen.
Dude is used to being ready to go at a set time. Coming out of the pen, he needs to time his warmups right, so he is not too rested when he starts, or too tired.
I posit that this is not an easy thing to do for a guy not used to working out of the pen.
They should have just had him start the B game (split squad)

[Danny]

(just kidding Lunk the hit was obviously dirty don't get mad at me)

[Lunkwill Fook]

Funny, I didn't see that reasoning when Malkin led the league in points and had a higher plus/minus than OV last year and never really had a shot at the MVP last year, you Caps homer. :)

[Ed in Westchester]

(just kidding Lunk the hit was obviously dirty don't get mad at me)

too late Danny

(waits for Lunk to flame Danny)

[Lunkwill Fook]

H8tuluvu danny.

[Danny]

Yeah but Malkin hates babies.

[Ed in Westchester]

Malkin sucks

[Ed in Westchester]

H8tuluvu danny.

lies, you yh luv danny

[Ed in Westchester]

meeting time.

gotta go yell at someone.

[Danny]

FLAME THEM EDWARD

[Lunkwill Fook]

Yeah but Malkin hates babies.

Semin loves babies.

...

Just saying that is kinda icky.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Funny, I didn't see that reasoning when Malkin led the league in points and had a higher plus/minus than OV last year and never really had a shot at the MVP last year, you Caps homer. :)

Because no one really cares about the secondary Caps stars that have made that team into a true contender. As far as they're concerned it's all OV. Ok, maybe people know about Mike Green because of the faux-hawk, but people don't quite bring up Alex Semin or Backstrom up when they talk about the Caps surge to the top of the league.

And Malkin will never outshine Crosby, despite the fact that Malkin has won as many Art Ross trophies and won the Conn Smythe.

[Chris in Ga]

Unofficial Cut list from Rubin




Here's an UNOFFICIALlist of players dispatched to minor-league camp today: Josh Thole, Shawn Bowman, Eric Niesen, Jack Egbert, Josh Fogg, R.A. Dickey, Travis Blackley, Bobby Livingston, Arturo Lopez, Andy Green, Mike Hessman, Mike Cervenak, Jesus Feliciano, Luis Hernandez.

Fogg may retire or ask for his release. He's been dealing with a side muscle injury all spring.

[Danny]

Backstrom is really effin good.

[Danny]

Oh Dear, we're really going to do this to Mejia aren't we?

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Backstrom is really effin good.

Yeah, but he's quiet and up until this year was more of a set up man than a goal scorer.

[sheadenizen]

Oh Dear, we're really going to do this to Mejia aren't we?

Yep. Just confirms everything we've ever said or known about this management!
That the FO would let Jerry and/Omar do this to try to save their asses is a disgrace.

[lucienlc]

I want Figgy to make the team. He's the only one, apart from Mejia and Takahashi, who's been pitching consistently well.

Of course, now he'll probably give up five in his next appearance.

They're idiots if they don't keep him. Unfortunately....

[lucienlc]

Yep. Just confirms everything we've ever said or known about this management!
That the FO would let Jerry and/Omar do this to try to save their asses is a disgrace.

Worse -- some idiots in the organization think he projects as a reliever (doubtless, because of his slight build. Where have we heard this before?). If he's a reliever anyway, then there's not much downside to keeping him in the majors because he can relieve here as well as down there.

But for those of us who think he might actually project as a top flight starting pitcher, it's ridiculous, counterproductive and beyond stupid and short-sighted. Which is typical of the Mets we love and despise.

[sheadenizen]

Yeah, but he's quiet and up until this year was more of a set up man than a goal scorer.

Set up man? Can he pitch the 8th?

[Lunkwill Fook]

Backstrom is really effin good.

Yeah, people don't give OV's line mate's the credit they deserve. Backstrom has turned into a complete player and Knuble is one of the best in front of the net.

[Chris in Ga]

We still have in camp
Pitchers
Escobar, Everts, Feliciano, Figgy, Green, Igarashi, Kunz, Maine, Nieve, Niese, Misch, Parnell, Pelf, Perez, Santana, KRod, Stoner, Muniz, Calero, Taka 2, Dessens and Mejia

Catchers
Coste, Riggins, Santos, Blanco and Barajas

Infielders
Adams, Cabrera, Davis, Jacobs, IPOR, Castillo, Cora, Murph, Wright, Reyes & Tatis

Outfielders
Catalanotto, Pagan, Matthews, F!, Bay, Beltran, Carter, Evans, Frenchy and Pridle

[sheadenizen]

You forgot Omir, I believe.

[sheadenizen]

And Escobar is useless.

[Chris in Ga]

I have no problem letting Mejia stay in camp until mid next week. After that, then its foolish.

[sheadenizen]

I have no problem letting Mejia stay in camp until mid next week. After that, then its foolish.

I don't think any of us disagree with you.

[Danny]

Agreed Chris. I'm just gonna be really nervous until he is reassigned. IF he is reassigned...

[Chris in Ga]

I go North with this team (I know this team doesnt go North and I actually hate leaving Misch off. I know Jacobs over Carter and Tatis (assuming he's healthy) over Adams is how it will shake out but I like this team)

Johan, Pelf, Perez, Maine, Niese, Taka 2, KRod, Feliciano, Nieve, Figueroa, Calero & Parnell

Barajas, Blanco, Murphy, Castillo, Tejada, Wright, Pagan, Matthews, Bay, Frenchy, Cora, Carter, Adams

Green has options btw. Igarashi does too. He will be high paid for a minor leaguer but it will give him some time to adjust to the new ball and get his command back.

[sheadenizen]

I think it's too early to commit to that bullpen although leaving Green off makes me happy. I still think Calero and Parnell are more than iffy, but Who you replace them with makes me nervous as hell ( see Mejia, Jenrry.) I hope they leave Iagarashi off.

[Peter H]

I go North with this team (I know this team doesnt go North and I actually hate leaving Misch off. I know Jacobs over Carter and Tatis (assuming he's healthy) over Adams is how it will shake out but I like this team)

Johan, Pelf, Perez, Maine, Niese, Taka 2, KRod, Feliciano, Nieve, Figueroa, Calero & Parnell

Barajas, Blanco, Murphy, Castillo, Tejada, Wright, Pagan, Matthews, Bay, Frenchy, Cora, Carter, Adams

Green has options btw. Igarashi does too. He will be high paid for a minor leaguer but it will give him some time to adjust to the new ball and get his command back.

I'd go with Tatis over Adams. Adams is, at best, a replacement-level player. And we already have a backup middle infielder in Tejada.

[Rave]

I read somewhere, I’d like to say it was Gammons, that the Mets “baseball people” want to send Mejia down, implying SOF wants him up.

[sheadenizen]

I'd go with Tatis over Adams. Adams is, at best, a replacement-level player. And we already have a backup middle infielder in Tejada.

Tatis...assuming he's healthy is on this team. Book it.

[Rave]

Yep, Gammons. I forgot he's not at ESPN anymore.


"The price during the season is usually a lot better than the price in the winter," said COO Jeff Wilpon.

Or the baseball folk may win out and send Mejia to the Minor Leagues to start for the first few weeks, with the idea that by midseason, he could fill a need in either the rotation or the bullpen.

[sheadenizen]

Rave, I think the Mets are making a "publicity" decison...looking for any good press they can get. Of course, when they destroy this kid it will be a different story. The mets have no forward thinking. They're like 3 year olds. They need instant gratification and don't think of any consequences down the road.

[Danny]

Mejia can only throw so many innings this year anway, so if the Mets sent him down as a starter and bulked up his load pretty good, it might not be a terrible decision to bring him up as a reliever midseason (preferably later), if there was a need (how could there not be) and we would still be elevating his overall innings this year to acceptable level.

[Chris in Ga]

I think if tatis isn't ready, his spot will go to jolbet. I don't want that

[Rave]

Rave, I think the Mets are making a "publicity" decison...looking for any good press they can get. Of course, when they destroy this kid it will be a different story. The mets have no forward thinking. They're like 3 year olds. They need instant gratification and don't think of any consequences down the road.

I'ts more like "FU, I so have a farm" decision by SOF, and a "save-my-bacon" decision on the part of Jerry and Omar.

Won't somebody think of the children?

[Rave]

I think if tatis isn't ready, his spot will go to jolbet. I don't want that

Nick Evans' body still hasn't been found?

[Chris in Ga]

Nick is hurt too.

[Chris in Ga]

I think Nick Evans is jerrys token white dude to dog, like church was.

[Peter H]

I'm hopeful the Wilpons will come to their senses on Mejia. For all the bad decisions the front office has made the past few years, they were smart enough not to trade any prospects this offseason.

[sheadenizen]

I'm hopeful the Wilpons will come to their senses on Mejia. For all the bad decisions the front office has made the past few years, they were smart enough not to trade any prospects this offseason.

I'd love to think that's because they were smart......alas, I believe it's because until very recently no one thought the mets had a farm. F was too injury prone and Mejia too small. And if you saw that thing on MLB, no one still thinks the mets have a farm. Maybe it's better that way. Then no one will ask. The less decisions the mets have to make...the better.

[sheadenizen]

I think if tatis isn't ready, his spot will go to jolbet. I don't want that

I don't even know who that is.

[Ed in Westchester]

I'ts more like "FU, I so have a farm" decision by SOF, and a "save-my-bacon" decision on the part of Jerry and Omar.

Won't somebody think of the children?

screw the kids

(I feel dirty)

[Chris in Ga]

Jolbert cabrera is the favorite son of orlando cabrera's parents. I'll link the article where Orlando talks bout his mom never caring bout his achievements, more concerned bout her son jolbert, who she claims Is a better baseball player than her younger son, who was an allstar

[SoCal Metfan]

The less decisions the mets have to make...the better.

This, this, a thousand times this.

[sheadenizen]

This, this, a thousand times this.

hahahaha! hi SoCal!

[sheadenizen]

Today’s lineup is as follows:

1. Luis Castillo, 2B
2. Ruben Tejada, SS
3. David Wright, 3B
4. Mike Jacobs, 1B
5. Jason Bay, LF
6. Fernando Martinez, CF
7. Jeff Francoeur, RF
8. Rod Barajas, C

Fernando Nieve will start for the Mets, and also scheduled to pitch are Jon Niese, Francisco Rodriguez, Pat Misch, Sean Green, Tobi Stoner, and Elmer Dessens.

Today’s game can be seen on SNY.

[Lunkwill Fook]

That's right, Frenchy. You bat behind the rookie with the career sub .200 batting average.

[Dave Magadan]

Yo Geeks!

[Rave]

I’ve never been glad for the weekend’s end before.

Power went out Saturday morning. Luckily came back on after a couple of hours, but it somehow messed up my furnace, which wasn’t responding to the thermostat, and kept on heating. I couldn’t get a service guy in, so I finally had to turn off the thing when it reached 88, which means I have no hot water.

Today, some dumb fuck managed to cash a falsified check off my account.

So if the bbgods were to smite David, do it now, when I’m kinda numb.

[sheadenizen]

4 straight St Louis hits. Nieve is doing quite well. :(
2-0 Cards

[Dave Magadan]

Fernando was getting quite the workout it seemed like every ball was hit to him...

[Ed in Westchester]

Nieve sucks

[Ed in Westchester]

time for a rest of the day meeting.

be back tomorrow.

[Athena]

Nieve sucks

So it seems.

[Lunkwill Fook]

I still think Niese is the best option for the fifth spot, provided he's healthy. Nieve just doesn't miss enough bats.

[Chris in Ga]

Josh Thole, Shawn Bowman, Eric Niesen, Jack Egbert, Josh Fogg, R.A. Dickey, Travis Blackley, Bobby Livingston, Arturo Lopez, Eddie Kunz, Andy Green, Mike Hessman, Mike Cervenak, Jesus Feliciano, Luis Hernandez, Clint Everts, Kirk Nieuwenhuis.



The Official cut list. Add Capt Kirk and Everts to previous list. Kunz too

[Lunkwill Fook]

No surprises there at all.

[Dave Magadan]

Hey does anyone know if Holt has gotten any work in games yet? And/or how he has looked...

[Lunkwill Fook]

I think Holt started in the minor league camp. Don't think he's played with the big leaguers at all.

[sheadenizen]

Glad to see Kunz not in the mix. They screwed him up enough already.
Holt was never in big league camp, Maggz. Not sure of his workload.

[sheadenizen]

Wow.Jenrry speaks better English than Jose! No joke!

[Chris in Ga]

Holt opted out of Instructional. He was in the STEP Program this spring. The only one of them who pitched was Stinson from that group so far. Holt was called up for a split squad game but did not pitch. From my understanding, they didn't want to bring guys to camp with no realistic chance to be in the big leagues this year and have them over throw. Organization still sees him as a top ten prospect I believe

[Dave Magadan]

Thanks guys...

Mejia does speak well.

[Lunkwill Fook]

He's well spoken.

[Tim]

Can't wait to see home town boy baby hughie patrolling first base this year.

[Squadron Nye]

Mejia speaks better English than Omar

[Dave Magadan]

LOL nye. True. Niese looking good so far...lock up that no. 5 spot son.

[Squadron Nye]

I know this was discussed earlier but let me rant just a tad. I realize it may be difficult for a starter to relieve during a ST game. But, will Maine just SHUT THE FUCK UP. I'm sick of the brooding after every start no matter the outcome. He always finds something to bitch about in length. Then the excuses. Could you please stop offering excuses up? I wish we had a montage of all the excuses he uses throughout the year to show how varied and crazy they are.

[Squadron Nye]

LOL nye. True. Niese looking good so far...lock up that no. 5 spot son.


what's his line so far?

[Lunkwill Fook]

This will make you feel better, Nye:

http://www.viddler.com/explore/failblog/videos/483/15.015/

[Squadron Nye]

This will make you feel better, Nye:

http://www.viddler.com/explore/failblog/videos/483/15.015/

bahahahaha you're right, it did.

[sheadenizen]

Nye, you know I agree about Maine. I'm so sick of the excuses. Just frickin' pitch!

[Lunkwill Fook]

Whenever Maine bitches, just watch that video again. People will think you're the biggest Maine fan ever!

[sheadenizen]

Nye, I think Neise has pitched 2 scoreless/ hitless innings, but you probably should check with someone who actually knows. I haven't been paying all that much attention because I'm working and watching.
But you know now that I wrote scoreless/ hitless....all bets are off!

[Lunkwill Fook]

Shea, read this.

http://leftake.com/diary/1948/alan-grayson-is-a-genius

[Squadron Nye]

Nye, you know I agree about Maine. I'm so sick of the excuses. Just frickin' pitch!

I know shea :). It's especially irritating for me personally when he has a decent outing, the first in a long while, and he sits there and bitches and moans about it like he's some perfectionist. Dude be happy, you went over 5 innings and didn't give up five gopher balls or lose and body parts. Don't act like pitching 7 innings 2 run ball is a failure when clearly it's a goddamn minor miracle every time it happens. The only person that can bitch about an outing like that is yoyo because he turns in routinely awesome performances so differentiating the mere good ones is quite easy

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Where the hell is Dep? He never showed up for his beating in NHL10 this weekend.

[Lunkwill Fook]

According to the MLB.com box score, Niese is through two perfect innings with one K.

[Squadron Nye]

According to the MLB.com box score, Niese is through two perfect innings with one K.

Fine!!!

Dandy as well.

[sheadenizen]

That's hysterical, Lunk.

And Nye...as predicted...as soon as I said how well Niese was doing...all hell broke loose. Why does that always happen? It's uncanny.

[Squadron Nye]

Shea, read this.

http://leftake.com/diary/1948/alan-grayson-is-a-genius

PWNED. More people need to stand up and treat her with the utter contempt she deserves. That anti-intellectual ninny

[Lunkwill Fook]

hahah Frenchy threw out Yadier at 1st base? Classic.

[sheadenizen]

PWNED. More people need to stand up and treat her with the utter contempt she deserves. That anti-intellectual ninny
hear!hear!

[Lunkwill Fook]

Gotta hand it to Grayson. He's got some good one liners.

[Squadron Nye]

Gotta hand it to Grayson. He's got some good one liners.

I know and that's literally all she deserves. Grayson can't sit there and debate the issues. She doesn't know or speak about issues, just the talking points her overlords print on her arm. I hope more people take this tact. Don't dignify the airhead's ill-informed attacks with a direct response, just mock her stupidity.

[Lunkwill Fook]

I know and that's literally all she deserves. Grayson can't sit there and debate the issues. She doesn't know or speak about issues, just the talking points her overlords print on her arm. I hope more people take this tact. Don't dignify the airhead's ill-informed attacks with a direct response, just mock her stupidity.

It just reminds me during the VP debate when she told the moderator she wasn't going to answer his question but instead was going to talk about something else. She's nothing but vague talking points, defensive victim mentalities, and smarmy smirks.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Niese gave up some runs but he was helped by a dropped third strike and an error by Tejada.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Echo.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Jesus, I'm still reading comments from people (not here) trying to defend Ovechkin's hit. I just watched the replay again, Ovechkin starts and ends contact with his hands and tracked him down from the red line. That's a few different penalties wrapped up into one.

[Squadron Nye]

Echo.

barbon on on on

[Lunkwill Fook]

Jesus, I'm still reading comments from people (not here) trying to defend Ovechkin's hit. I just watched the replay again, Ovechkin starts and ends contact with his hands and tracked him down from the red line. That's a few different penalties wrapped up into one.

Yeah, OV's excuse was total horseshit. What makes me angry isn't necessarily his hits. It's that he NEVER EVER EVER owns up to them. They're never his fault. Someone is going to really clean his clock and it's going to be soon.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Never be surprised though. I mean, go to the Youtube footage of Dale Hunter's hit on Pierre Turgeon. You'll see tons of Caps fans defending it.

[Athena]

. . . Echo. . . Echo. . . Echo. . .

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Yeah, OV's excuse was total horseshit. What makes me angry isn't necessarily his hits. It's that he NEVER EVER EVER owns up to them. They're never his fault. Someone is going to really clean his clock and it's going to be soon.

Maybe Phaneuf now that they play in the same conference.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Ohce ohce ohce

[Lunkwill Fook]

Maybe Phaneuf now that they play in the same conference.

Possibly. Or Chara. Or someone you'd never expect like Martin St. Louis is going to go by and totally take out his knee the next time OV tries to knee someone else.

[Athena]

Ohce ohce ohce

Ha! That's probably the way it should look. :)

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Possibly. Or Chara. Or someone you'd never expect like Martin St. Louis is going to go by and totally take out his knee the next time OV tries to knee someone else.

St Louis could go full speed from the other side of the rink and barely get OV to budge. I think he wanted to, Eric Staal could do a lot of damange.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Is today over yet?

[Tim]

wished the didn't kick him out, would have liked to see more rough stuff.

[Lunkwill Fook]

St Louis could go full speed from the other side of the rink and barely get OV to budge. I think he wanted to, Eric Staal could do a lot of damange.

You don't have to take the body. Anybody can blow out someone else's knee. But, yeah, Eric Staal could fuck him up. But I think it's going to take someone on D. Or a crazy forward like Ryan Hollweg.

[Lunkwill Fook]

wished the didn't kick him out, would have liked to see more rough stuff.

No one's going to touch OV. Do you realize that, throughout his entire career with all his borderline hits, he hasn't been in a SINGLE fight?

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

wished the didn't kick him out, would have liked to see more rough stuff.

Well the Hawks lost and looked bad doing it for the 2nd straight game, that should have pleased you.

[Squadron Nye]

I want my hour of sleep back :( Although I am a big fan of late sunlight.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

No one's going to touch OV. Do you realize that, throughout his entire career with all his borderline hits, he hasn't been in a SINGLE fight?

Really? Even Semin tried his bongo impression on Staal.

[Lunkwill Fook]

I want my hour of sleep back :( Although I am a big fan of late sunlight.

Agreed. They should move the clocks up but then mandate that all workers work only seven hours the Monday after daylight savings time kicks in.

[Tim]

No one's going to touch OV. Do you realize that, throughout his entire career with all his borderline hits, he hasn't been in a SINGLE fight?

that's why you need to lace em up and give him a taste of filipino fury

[Lunkwill Fook]

Really? Even Semin tried his bongo impression on Staal.

Yep. Not a single fight. A couple bullshit wrestling matches but no actual fights.

[Lunkwill Fook]

that's why you need to lace em up and give him a taste of filipino fury

Dude, his belly button would totally be black and blue.

[Lunkwill Fook]

But, seriously, even Crosby has been in two or three REAL fights and Crosby's not the physical presence OV is.

[Tim]

Well the Hawks lost and looked bad doing it for the 2nd straight game, that should have pleased you.

It did, though I think I hate the Caps too. Bittersweet.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

But, seriously, even Crosby has been in two or three REAL fights and Crosby's not the physical presence OV is.

You're not counting that one where Crosby dropped the gloves basically during the face offs and pummeled the guy? That was almost as bad as him punching that dude in the junk.

[Squadron Nye]

Agreed. They should move the clocks up but then mandate that all workers work only seven hours the Monday after daylight savings time kicks in.

Brilliant!

[Lunkwill Fook]

You're not counting that one where Crosby dropped the gloves basically during the face offs and pummeled the guy? That was almost as bad as him punching that dude in the junk.

Just looking on YouTube. Three fights. Two if you don't count that one. But they're real honest to goodness gloves off, punching in the face fights. There's another one with Keith Ballard that's sort of half a fight.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

I wanted Dubinsky to drop the gloves and have them square off that last game in NY.

[Lunkwill Fook]

I wanted Dubinsky to drop the gloves and have them square off that last game in NY.

I thought it was going to go there. Dubs clearly wasn't taking anymore of Crosby and I thought Crosby was close to the limit with Dubs as well.

[sheadenizen]

Given my druthers...which no one is giving me, I'd take Misch over Green in the bullpen any day of the week.i

[Rave]

What's a druther and where can I get one for shea?

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

I thought it was going to go there. Dubs clearly wasn't taking anymore of Crosby and I thought Crosby was close to the limit with Dubs as well.

Crosby jabs with his stick a lot.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

This doesn't exactly look like a fair match up:

[Lunkwill Fook]

Crosby jabs with his stick a lot.

Yeah, he swings his stick when he's angry. That's dangerous.

[sheadenizen]

What's a druther and where can I get one for shea?

lol Rave!

[Athena]

I want my hour of sleep back :( Although I am a big fan of late sunlight.

You captured the ambivalence perfectly, Nye.

[DL]

taka should be the #5

maine should start out in buffalo

[Rave]

I’m torn when team’s best players players fight. Zach only has 1, and Dan Boyle undressed him in 2 seconds. RobNieds fought Craig Adams last Friday, complete with gloves and helmets off, and went down before Adams said boo. Hockey fights are entertaining, but not when it’s no contest.

[Lunkwill Fook]

This doesn't exactly look like a fair match up:



What you don't see there is Letang (#58) going "Get up dude, I've got $50 that says you can kick Sid's ass!"

[Athena]

What's a druther and where can I get one for shea?

:)

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

I’m torn when team’s best players players fight. Zach only has 1, and Dan Boyle undressed him in 2 seconds. RobNieds fought Craig Adams last Friday, complete with gloves and helmets off, and went down before Adams said boo. Hockey fights are entertaining, but not when it’s no contest.

I thought Nieds fought that POS Cooke.

[Lunkwill Fook]

I’m torn when team’s best players players fight. Zach only has 1, and Dan Boyle undressed him in 2 seconds. RobNieds fought Craig Adams last Friday, complete with gloves and helmets off, and went down before Adams said boo. Hockey fights are entertaining, but not when it’s no contest.

It's not really about winning for the star players. It's about showing that you're not afraid of the repercussions from playing hard. It's about respect. That's why stars really only have to fight once or twice in their career and then they're done.

Then you've got guys like Brendan Shannahan who'll take on Donald Brashear because he knows he's the only guy that will....

[sheadenizen]

taka should be the #5

maine should start out in buffalo

then maine would really have something to bitch and moan about. But we wouldn't have to listen to him!
So take Taka and Niese and ditch Maine? IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, but I honestly don't think it's such a bad idea.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

I’m torn when team’s best players players fight. Zach only has 1, and Dan Boyle undressed him in 2 seconds. RobNieds fought Craig Adams last Friday, complete with gloves and helmets off, and went down before Adams said boo. Hockey fights are entertaining, but not when it’s no contest.

Sounds like Gaborik and Carcillo.

[Rave]

Oh yeah, it was Matt Cooke. It was actually funny because Clarkson was his linemate and wanted to do it but he insisted. Don't know what he was thinking.

[Lunkwill Fook]

0:03 Rob Niedermayer: 5 Minute Major for Fighting Matt Cooke
0:03 Matt Cooke: 5 Minute Major for Fighting Rob Niedermayer

MFBS is right.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Oh yeah, it was Matt Cooke. It was actually funny because Clarkson was his linemate and wanted to do it but he insisted. Don't know what he was thinking.

Well, when it comes to fighting, Niedermayer and Cooke are both middle weights. Clarkson is a heavy weight. There's a respect for that, generally, in hockey.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

I like it when goalies fight. Especially this one:

[Lunkwill Fook]

Was that the Cloutier fight?

[Lunkwill Fook]

My favorite all time goalie fight was still Chris Osgood beating the living shit out of Patrick Roy.

[Rave]

It's not really about winning for the star players. It's about showing that you're not afraid of the repercussions from playing hard. It's about respect. That's why stars really only have to fight once or twice in their career and then they're done.

Then you've got guys like Brendan Shannahan who'll take on Donald Brashear because he knows he's the only guy that will....

Langenbrunner's a top player himself but will defend himself and his teammates.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Langenbrunner's a top player himself but will defend himself and his teammates.

Oh, true, some of the top players aren't afraid to fight every now and then. Look at Jerome Iginla. But there are players like Vinny Lecavalier that weren't really taken seriously until he got into that playoff fight with Iginla. It was basically his coming of age party.

[Lunkwill Fook]

And, no offense because I respect the hell out of Jamie, but Langenbrunner is a very good player. But no one would consider him a top player (ie. like Parise).

[sheadenizen]

call me when we discuss baseball again...thanks!

[Lunkwill Fook]

call me when we discuss baseball again...thanks!

hahahah Not much to discuss unfortunately.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

My favorite all time goalie fight was still Chris Osgood beating the living shit out of Patrick Roy.

Was that during the Wings-Avs brawl where the Wings got their revenge for the Lemieux hit? I think that was Mike Vernon. And Roy I think won the fight, but got bloodied in the process. The best part though was Roy was going to join the scrum and out of nowhere Shanny came and body blocked him out with a leaping dive.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Was that the Cloutier fight?

Cloutier vs. Salo.

[DL]

frankie is back

and so are TEH GOGGLEZ

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

This one?

[Tim]

It's not really about winning for the star players. It's about showing that you're not afraid of the repercussions from playing hard. It's about respect. That's why stars really only have to fight once or twice in their career and then they're done.

Then you've got guys like Brendan Shannahan who'll take on Donald Brashear because he knows he's the only guy that will....

SHANNIE!!!

Coach said no sax before a game!

[Tim]

Cujo Cheveldae (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rms6qy1yYdw)

[Lunkwill Fook]

What's sad is goalies don't fight anymore. Even in that KHL fight where even Jagr fought, the goaltenders just skated over to each other and had a nice conversation.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

What's sad is goalies don't fight anymore. Even in that KHL fight where even Jagr fought, the goaltenders just skated over to each other and had a nice conversation.

Last fight involving a goalie I can recall was the Sabres-Sens brawl after Neil clocked Drury.

[Danny]

To be fair, Ovechkin dropped his gloves this year to fight and then Matt Bradley came flying over and started punching the dude in the face that Ovechkin wanted to fight. I don't know what you're trying to imply by saying that Ovechkin hasn't gotten into a fistfight, that's he soft???

Because that is kind of a silly position.

[Ellis Dee]

TLR IBB'ed the wrong guy!

[Peter H]

Pagan wins it with a 2-run walk-off HR.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

To be fair, Ovechkin dropped his gloves this year to fight and then Matt Bradley came flying over and started punching the dude in the face that Ovechkin wanted to fight. I don't know what you're trying to imply by saying that Ovechkin hasn't gotten into a fistfight, that's he soft???

Because that is kind of a silly position.

No, I think Lunk was trying to say that he's never had to face the music for dishing out borderline hits.

[Danny]

No, I think Lunk was trying to say that he's never had to face the music for dishing out borderline hits.

A fair question from an Ovie hater like our Fooker. Of course, when your teammates will uniformly die for you it probably impedes the chances of retribution.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Teammates sticking up for you is admirable but eventually you've got to do it on your own.

[Lunkwill Fook]

And, yes, I have seen OV many times skate away from even challenges. Not saying he should fight all comers but he needs to go at least once.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

A fair question from an Ovie hater like our Fooker. Of course, when your teammates will uniformly die for you it probably impedes the chances of retribution.

I don't remember the circumstances of why the gloves were dropped in the first place, but usually Ovie and Bradley wouldn't be on the ice at the same time. So was it the case that Ovie delivered a hit and the Caps had a suspicion that they'd go after him so they sent out Bradely?

[Danny]

Bah, even if he beats up a dude you will say the guy was too small or something!

[Danny]

I don't remember the circumstances of why the gloves were dropped in the first place, but usually Ovie and Bradley wouldn't be on the ice at the same time. So was it the case that Ovie delivered a hit and the Caps had a suspicion that they'd go after him so they sent out Bradely?

Yeah, they had tangled just before that and both gotten roughing penalties so I'm pretty sure Bradley was placed in the game to handle that sheet but that's not Ovie's fault, he dropped the gloves and was ready to go.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Hah. I give credit to OV for being the best goal scorer in the league and a tenacious hitter. I'm allowed to find his faults as well.

[DL]

frankie looked ok

let's see how that holds up

[Lunkwill Fook]

Hahah just watched that OV/Steve Downie almost fight. It's pretty funny how Bradley comes out of nowhere.

[Danny]

LOL @ "find his faults"

That's a nice way of putting it! ;-p

[Lunkwill Fook]

I never said OV wasn't one of the top two players in the league. I just think his faults are heavily ignored by the media.

[DL]

everyone should pick vermont to beat cuse

[Danny]

Can you blame the media though? He's also probably the most exciting player in the league to watch (def top 5) and these people love hockey and want other people to love it too. This is a great sport that should be a bigger deal to all of us.

[DL]

i'm still laughing at this howard for pujols thing that olney threw out there

[sheadenizen]

i'm still laughing at this howard for pujols thing that olney threw out there

No one's listening to baseball talk. Go to fugees!

[DL]

i don't follow hockey much but the dc media treats him like a god b/c the area is desperate for a sports hero

i mean, arenas was treated as a fucking god for a few years

[Squadron Nye]

i'm still laughing at this howard for pujols thing that olney threw out there

What was his justification for it?

[Lunkwill Fook]

I agree. He's enormously exciting and you know I love hockey. I just think he needs to learn when to hit and when not to hit and right now, he obviously doesn't care to.

[DL]

What was his justification for it?

attention whoredom?

[Squadron Nye]

attention whoredom?

oh, well in that case, break out the Cohibas

[Lunkwill Fook]

If the Phillies somehow got Pujols, I'd just die.

[DL]

pujols is much more a hometown hero than howard is anyhow

[lucienlc]

Speaking of Brad Holt, he apparently got nailed by a Lucas Duda line drive in his first inning of an intra-squad game. Per Adam Rubin who even has video. They took Holt out, but he's apparently okay.
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/2010/03/prospect-gets-rude-welcome-at.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nydnrss%2Fblogs%2Fmets+%28Blo gs%2FSurfing+the+Mets%29&utm_content=Twitter

[Danny]

Speaking of Brad Holt, he apparently got nailed by a Lucas Duda line drive in his first inning of an intra-squad game. Per Adam Rubin who even has video. They took Holt out, but he's apparently okay.
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/2010/03/prospect-gets-rude-welcome-at.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nydnrss%2Fblogs%2Fmets+%28Blo gs%2FSurfing+the+Mets%29&utm_content=Twitter

Haha of course he did.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

The worst part about something like Ovie illegally running people over is that the long time fans of the NHL will complain about how the league has a two tiered justice system between the stars and regulars. And one thing the NHL forgets is that a big component of attracting new/casual fans to the games is having the already established fanbase introduce them to the game. And when the hardcore fans talk poorly of the game and how the rules are enforced, how is a casual fan supposed to react?

[Lunkwill Fook]

Plus you have to worry about another Steve Moore incident. If OV keeps going like this, he's going to end someone's career and that's never good press for the NHL.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Tim's favorite Blues player FAIL (http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/morning-skate/morning-skate/2010/03/new-hairdo-has-not-slowed-down-blues-t-j-oshie/)

[Tim]

Tim's favorite Blues player FAIL (http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/morning-skate/morning-skate/2010/03/new-hairdo-has-not-slowed-down-blues-t-j-oshie/)

HE has been getting his balls busted...and I'm pretty sure hockey players can be cruel.

[Lunkwill Fook]

I wonder how many Greg Brady taunts he's gotten.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

HE has been getting his balls busted...and I'm pretty sure hockey players can be cruel.

But you still love him (N/H, I think).

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

I'm thinking about going to the Blues-Rangers game on Thursday.

[Lunkwill Fook]

I'm thinking of your mom.

[Tim]

I wonder how many Greg Brady taunts he's gotten.



unfortunate.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

I'm thinking of your mom.

I'm thinking the Blues-Rangers game will be cheaper.

[Tim]

I'm thinking of your mom.

I'm thinking of both yer moms.......and making your dads watch...

[Lunkwill Fook]

The attendance will probably be just about the same though.

[Lunkwill Fook]

OMG Tim, you make watches?!?!?!

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Nah, Petr Nedved was a Brady look a like.

http://www.lphs.ca/image/players/Petr%20Nedved.jpg

[Tim]

OMG Tim, you make watches?!?!?!

yep...got the small tools for it....yep

[Lunkwill Fook]

Nedved was also a douche.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

The attendance will probably be just about the same though.

And both of them will be able to use the nickname, world's most famous...

[Lunkwill Fook]

Yeah, heard about your small tool.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Nedved had a hot wife, who then realized she was married to Petr Nedved.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Nedved is the archetype of the player that wilts under the NYC spotlight.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

And Nedved was part of the compensation for Mike Keenan, remember when we talked about my not so-much love for the Blues yesterday Tim? Petr Nedved is a big reason why.

[Tim]

And Nedved was part of the compensation for Mike Keenan, remember when we talked about my not so-much love for the Blues yesterday Tim? Petr Nedved is a big reason why.

not my favorite either...the word pussy comes to mind.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

not my favorite either...the word pussy comes to mind.

Seemed like half the league got messed up because of him. Nedved held out from Vancouver for almost a year. The Blues sign him, the Canucks get awarded Craig Janney as comp. Janney doesn't want to go to Vancouver (presumably so he can stick around and watch his ex-wife get married to Shanny) so the Blues send them Jeff Brown and a couple of other players to get Janney back. And then the NHL mandated the trade after the Keenan case that sent one of my favorite Rangers from the 94 team, Tikkanen, in exhcnage for Nedved.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Nedved, Robitaille, and Kovalev. Three guys that just sucked in NY but thrived everywhere else.

[Bob A. Booey]

allo aloo, whats shaking ??? ,, booey back from tghe beach ,,,,

[Lunkwill Fook]

Heya booey!

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Nedved, Robitaille, and Kovalev. Three guys that just sucked in NY but thrived everywhere else.

And Kevin Stevens, except maybe that was the crack cocaine.

[Tim]

I liked Essa too.

[Lunkwill Fook]

OV suspended two games.

[Lunkwill Fook]

And Kevin Stevens, except maybe that was the crack cocaine.

Stevens was on the shit end of his career regardless. Nedved, Robitaille, and Kovalev all went on to have excellent seasons after they left.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

OV suspended two games.

Yup, that'll learn him!

[Lunkwill Fook]

Yup, that'll learn him!

Eh, he ain't learning shit. He and Boudreau will come out this afternoon with statements like the last time about how he's not going to change.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Stevens was on the shit end of his career regardless. Nedved, Robitaille, and Kovalev all went on to have excellent seasons after they left.

Some of it was that he was never the same after having his face broke in a few different places in that game vs the Isles. The other part was that a lot of people looked better than they actually were playing with Lemieux.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

The sad part is that Stevens was only the 2nd biggest substance abuser on the Rangers during that time period.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Some of it was that he was never the same after having his face broke in a few different places in that game vs the Isles. The other part was that a lot of people looked better than they actually were playing with Lemieux.

Basically. When he came back from the face injury, he was no better than a 20 goal scorer. And without Lemieux...

[Lunkwill Fook]

Yeah, but at least Fleury was still useful. And angry.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Yeah, but at least Fleury was still useful. And angry.

And he partied with underground midgets.

[DL]

ben sheets got rocked today

not that it means anything

[Tim]

Theo was the ultimate pain in the ass...grit, before grit was king.

[Bob A. Booey]

dong good lunky ,,,,