General Discussion Thread: Kelvim Escobar's gold watch edition 03/11/10

[Chris in Ga]

Escobar may retire

hahahahaha

[Tim]

depper on yr birthday...hope you throw copious ropes..

[Danny]

Annoying keeper league question for my peeps but I'm legitimately torn. We get to keep 8, and I know I'm going to keep Longoria, Mauer, Kinsler, Sizemore, Lester, Bay and Beckett. So 5 sticks and 2 pitchers in that group. I'm battling over these peeps for my 8th and final keeper, knowing I should probably just keep the 8 best regardless of position, but it's tough.

Kendry Morales
Matt Garza
Max Scherzer

What say you???

[Lunkwill Fook]

I'd go with Morales. He's the only one I trust in that group.

[Joe A.]

I'd keep Morales. 1B is deep, but I bet every option better than Morales will be protected.

[Dep]

this fucking team

Jose is pissed at the mets now

it is a joke how they fuck up EVERYTHING

[Danny]

Thanks fellas. I was leaning towards Morales but I have a true infatuation with Matt Garza so it's hard for me to let him back in the draft pool. I actually also considered keeping Garza over Beckett because of age/no injury issues (yet). But I can't bring myself to actually do it.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Beckett may be more injury prone but he's got that K/9, K/BB advantage.

[Lunkwill Fook]

I love this pictur (http://upnextinsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/funny-sports-pictures-keeley-hazell-show-off.jpg)e. (Somewhat NSFW)

[Dep]

god damn i love that one too

[sheadenizen]

this fucking team

Jose is pissed at the mets now

it is a joke how they fuck up EVERYTHING

I read that this morning, too. I just keep shaking my head. Can this team ever do ANYTHING right? ANYTHING? Frickin' morons! I root for frickin' morons. What does that make me? Ugh!

[Lunkwill Fook]

I read that this morning, too. I just keep shaking my head. Can this team ever do ANYTHING right? ANYTHING? Frickin' morons! I root for frickin' morons. What does that make me? Ugh!

A fricken' moron rooter?

[Dep]

apparently its the media blowing up a non-story according to some fugz posters

i'm going to hulk on them

::RIPS SHIRT::

[Dep]

this is what i wrote:


here's an idea, how about the fucking mets talk to a player and/or agent BEFORE they release something to make sure both are on the same page with regards to what's in the release and the message.

its really not rocket science and the mets continue to fuck it up and leave themselves bent over waiting for the media to ram it in.

there is no reason the mets n reyes should not be on the same page b4 the mets sent out that press release...and if jose disagrees with the message, you'll find out before you go public with it and can deal with it then.

not hard stuff, but apparently too hard for mets mgmt to figure out

you'd think they would have learned to amend their process after the beltran debacle, but apparently not.

[Lunkwill Fook]

apparently its the media blowing up a non-story according to some fugz posters

i'm going to hulk on them

::RIPS SHIRT::

OMG PUT YOUR SHIRT BACK ON SERIOUSLY IS THAT A RUG?

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

I honestly can't think of a team in the past 20 years across all sports that can't get out of it's own way more than the Mets both on the field and off. There are bigger disappointments on the field for sure (Detroit Lions, LA Clippers) but I don't know if any team likes to shoot themselves in the foot nearly as much and then act as if nothing is wrong.

[sheadenizen]

Couldn't have said it better myself...except that image of the press and bending over and ramming leaves me a bit queasy! lol!

[Lunkwill Fook]

Has anyone thought that this might be a cleverly orchestrated plan to pull off one of the biggest Cinderella stories IN SPORTS HISTORY?!?!?!?

....


Yeah, no.

[Lunkwill Fook]

I honestly can't think of a team in the past 20 years across all sports that can't get out of it's own way more than the Mets both on the field and off. There are bigger disappointments on the field for sure (Detroit Lions, LA Clippers) but I don't know if any team likes to shoot themselves in the foot nearly as much and then act as if nothing is wrong.

Rangers are starting to get there.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

What do you say to this Lunk?

Based on this year’s cap hits:

C: Backstrom/Toews/Stamkos/Oshie
LW: Booth/Burrows/Neal/Ladd
RW: Gaborik/Ryan/Perron/Callahan
D: Erik Johnson/Suter/Doughty/Gleason/Hamhuis/Del Zotto
G: Miller/Conklin
Total cap hit: $55,524,165

[Lunkwill Fook]

What exactly is that?

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Rangers are starting to get there.

The Rangers don't embarrass themselves nearly as much off the ice as the Mets do off the field because no one ever gets to speak to Sather. In fact they're pretty well regarded for the charity work they do around the city. Only 1 of the NY tabloids even has a beat reporter that consistently spills a slight amount of ink over the team and that's Larry Brooks. Daily News, NYTimes, Newsday all occasionally mention hockey if at all.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

What exactly is that?

A cap compliant fantasy team, the Rangers blog I post in is trying to figure out how good of a team you could have based on this year's cap.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Pretty good team. I'd like another crease clearer on the blue line though.

[Dep]

OMG PUT YOUR SHIRT BACK ON SERIOUSLY IS THAT A RUG?

hahahaha i come with PLUSH CARPETING!

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Pretty good team. I'd like another crease clearer on the blue line though.

See I think the top 4 D all can play a physical enough style that will keep the slot free and clear. And it's a young team as well.

[Lunkwill Fook]

hahahaha i come with PLUSH CARPETING!

Well, for God's sake, vacuum every now and then, will ya?

[Lunkwill Fook]

See I think the top 4 D all can play a physical enough style that will keep the slot free and clear. And it's a young team as well.

They're not bad but I'd still like just one more monster type guy.

[Dep]

Well, for God's sake, vacuum every now and then, will ya?

hahaha

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

They're not bad but I'd still like just one more monster type guy.

Tyler Myers?

[Lunkwill Fook]

I would take Tyler Myers. That kid is most certainly a beast and he's got some offense in him. How about Staal? He's still making chicken feed, isn't he?

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

I would take Tyler Myers. That kid is most certainly a beast and he's got some offense in him. How about Staal? He's still making chicken feed, isn't he?

Yeah, I wouldn't mind Staal. I just didn't want to overload the team with Rangers after already putting Gaborik/Cally/DZ on the team. I was considering Okposo but for the role he'd play he'd make too much.

[sheadenizen]

Here's another thing that makes me crazy....

Mets manager Jerry Manuel is determined to begin using Mejia in short and frequent relief spurts, to gauge how he reacts to pitching in that capacity.
Why the hell don't they keep this kid away from Manuel. Look what the Yanks did to Joba? The Mets need to develop starting pitching ( in case they haven't noticed!)

[Lunkwill Fook]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind Staal. I just didn't want to overload the team with Rangers after already putting Gaborik/Cally/DZ on the team. I was considering Okposo but for the role he'd play he'd make too much.

Besides, who wants non-Olympians, right?

[Dep]

Besides, who wants non-Olympians, right?

my birthday is overrrrrrrrr

[Lunkwill Fook]

my birthday is overrrrrrrrr

RAGE!!!!!!

[Dep]

hahaha, its too early. i just want to go home

[Ed in Westchester]

Besides, who wants non-Olympians, right?

pigfucker

[sheadenizen]

dep, here's your birthday present...a day late!


An arena grows in Brooklyn. Groundbreaking today for the New Jersey Nets new facility.

[Rave]

The Jose stuff doesn't upset me as much as the Mejia stuff does. Jerry getting his way over what's good for the kid and the org boggles the mind.

If it weren't for Marty looking like he's Marty again I'd refuse to get out of the bed this morning.

[Ed in Westchester]

Shea asked what team is worse than the Mets with regard to shooting themselves in the foot?

I give you, the Nw York Islanders:


You’re Never Out of it: At the general managers’ meetings this week in Florida, the Islanders presented a proposal to improve their chances of qualifying for the Stanley Cup playoffs in future seasons.



The Islanders’ concept - delivered by GM Garth Snow - was for a “play-in” mini-tournament in which the teams at the bottom of each conference would square off against each other to qualify as the eighth seed.



After playing 82 regular season games, teams 8-15 in the East and West would still get a shot at making the playoffs. Wouldn’t matter if you were essentially out of the hunt before Christmas, as the Islanders were last season.



The Islanders, who appear poised to finished 26th or worst in the 30-team NHL for the third consecutive season, apparently did not receive much positive feedback. The Columbus Blue Jackets pushed for the removal of the “loser point” for teams losing in overtime or in the shootout. That proposal was also dismissed.



The story of the Islanders’ idea was first reported by TSN, Sportsnet and the Canadian Press. One journalist in Boca Raton said the best aspect of the concept was the laugh it brought to all of the hockey people and media at meetings predominantly focused on rulings on hits to the head.



When asked by Point Blank about the merits of the team’s proposal, a National Hockey League source replied, “The chances of it happening are the same as it being taken seriously - zero percent.”



Here’s what I want to know. Let’s say, as they did last year, the Islanders play 82 games and finish last in the league. However, they win the play-in tournament and get swept by Washington in the first round.



Would that mean, because of the round robin, they would lose the top pick in the draft? You’d have to think so, which would really make a person wonder.

[Lunkwill Fook]

If it weren't for Marty looking like he's Marty again I'd refuse to get out of the bed this morning.

It helps when the Rangers keep looking like the Rangers.

[Dep]

dep, here's your birthday present...a day late!

w00t w00t w00t

nets are starting to play decent, team is coming together

i think i read its gonna be streamed online, i wonder if protesters will be there

[Dep]

wtf garth

[Rave]

It helps when the Rangers keep looking like the Rangers.

C'mon, that save he made on Joki was damn good.

It does help when the other D keeps putting pucks past Lunqvist.

[peejay]

I honestly can't think of a team in the past 20 years across all sports that can't get out of it's own way more than the Mets both on the field and off. There are bigger disappointments on the field for sure (Detroit Lions, LA Clippers) but I don't know if any team likes to shoot themselves in the foot nearly as much and then act as if nothing is wrong.

Cincinnati Bengals are pretty hilarious (actually that whole conference is frakked up). Mets problems are real and, in some cases avoidable by a good PR office, but they are amplified because of the NY media.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

The Jose stuff doesn't upset me as much as the Mejia stuff does. Jerry getting his way over what's good for the kid and the org boggles the mind.

If it weren't for Marty looking like he's Marty again I'd refuse to get out of the bed this morning.

Yeah he had a few great saves, especially on Gaborik and Jokinen early in the game. He came close to a WTF? goal on the Rangers 1st PP with mindless clearing pass. Still, I'd be scared if my team gave up 3 goals against the Rangers these days.

[Rave]

Seriously though, the Mets need to retire Jay Hor. Or fire Omar. The NY media is still on pile-on mode, and it doesn’t help when your two top execs are bumbling around tripping themselves.

[peejay]

Seriously though, the Mets need to retire Jay Hor. Or fire Omar. The NY media is still on pile-on mode, and it doesn’t help when your two top execs are bumbling around tripping themselves.

i nearly forgot about the Knicks. lolball

[Dep]

wellll according to some met fans, this is all on reyes n his agent, and they are going off the reservation, despite being perfectly informed by the mets and 100% on the same page in this entire process, just to get attention n cause problems.

i mean, that's definitely more plausible then the mets just have massive communication FAIL with their players.

certainly.

[Dep]

oh SNAP

want some GOOD NEWS?

Familia hit TRIPLE DIGITS on the guns

whoa mommy


* Word from the back fields is that former Nats lefthander Mike O'Connor has signed and flamethrower Jeurys Familia touched 100 mph on a radar gun.

[Tim]

What do you say to this Lunk?

Based on this year’s cap hits:

C: Backstrom/Toews/Stamkos/Oshie
LW: Booth/Burrows/Neal/Ladd
RW: Gaborik/Ryan/Perron/Callahan
D: Erik Johnson/Suter/Doughty/Gleason/Hamhuis/Del Zotto
G: Miller/Conklin
Total cap hit: $55,524,165

shanghai'n a bunch of Blue Notes ain't ya?

[Rave]

Yeah he had a few great saves, especially on Gaborik and Jokinen early in the game. He came close to a WTF? goal on the Rangers 1st PP with mindless clearing pass. Still, I'd be scared if my team gave up 3 goals against the Rangers these days.

Oh yeah, the D is worrisome. Fraser should be benched for his assist to Prust and tripping on his laces on Christensen's shot (yes yes, it was Elias' fault, but I choose to ignore that). But the Devils need Marty to stop the sucks before they can really do anything else.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Oh yeah, the D is worrisome. Fraser should be benched for his assist to Prust and tripping on his laces on Christensen's shot (yes yes, it was Elias' fault, but I choose to ignore that). But the Devils need Marty to stop the sucks before they can really do anything else.

The Christensen's goal wasn't Elias fault, sometimes a player just pulls off a brilliant move. Elias isn't paid to stand people up and knock them down. Just like Gaborik isn't paid to play D, as he was on I think the Devils 2nd or 3rd goal.

Kovalchuk though, created some oohs and aahs with some nifty dangles, but not terribly noticeable otherwise. 3 goals in 10 games is it? He's crazy if he thinks he's going to get the salary cap max unless he's an absolute monster in the playoffs. Fair or unfair he'd have the big question mark of whether he can play when it matters most.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

shanghai'n a bunch of Blue Notes ain't ya?

They're a good cheap buzz. Plus I consider them half-Rangers since most of your front office is from there.

[Lunkwill Fook]

C'mon, that save he made on Joki was damn good.

It does help when the other D keeps putting pucks past Lunqvist.

Yeah, Marty made some good saves. But you have to admit, when he gives up three, he usually loses.

The Rangers have made it a habit of tipping in their own goals this season. Staal would probably have another eight goals if own goals counted on his record. Just horrible horrible luck over and over again. I thought Girardi did a pretty good job of defending a 4-1, knocking down the pass. Of COURSE it goes right between Hank's legs....

[Lunkwill Fook]

The Christensen's goal wasn't Elias fault, sometimes a player just pulls off a brilliant move. Elias isn't paid to stand people up and knock them down. Just like Gaborik isn't paid to play D, as he was on I think the Devils 2nd or 3rd goal.

Kovalchuk though, created some oohs and aahs with some nifty dangles, but not terribly noticeable otherwise. 3 goals in 10 games is it? He's crazy if he thinks he's going to get the salary cap max unless he's an absolute monster in the playoffs. Fair or unfair he'd have the big question mark of whether he can play when it matters most.

Kovalchuk is crazy. The man DOES NOT PLAY D, is not a proven playoff performer, yet he demands to be paid more than Ovechkin or Crosby? What kind of bullshit is that?

[Tim]

They're a good cheap buzz. Plus I consider them half-Rangers since most of your front office is from there.

they're in town tonight for the Isles

[Rave]

Did you agree with Hank getting pulled?

[Dep]

ohhhh blues v isles tonight? oh snap

i hope i can make it home to time to watch that shit

i hope they make oshie's head bleed

JT > TJ

[Lunkwill Fook]

Did you agree with Hank getting pulled?

I agree. I don't think he was playing that badly but it was one of those games where you make the change to make the change.

[Lunkwill Fook]

DEP! OOH NOOOOO!!!!!


Residents living near homes police said were used to grow marijuana were shocked their neighborhoods were launching pads for a $10 million drug operation.

Last month, police found 3,370 growing pot plants in five rented homes in Monroe, Old Bridge, Millstone, Manahawkin and Manalapan. Money and packaging materials were found in a sixth home, also in Old Bridge.

Authorities said the sophisticated indoor growing scheme operated undetected for two years. Three people have been arrested so far, while another three are on the run.

"This is a network of individuals who have extensive knowledge of the method of mass producing marijuana plants indoors," Attorney General Paula Dow said. "They selected large houses, frequently in pretty upscale neighborhoods, where the properties are widely spaced and they were not likely to garner direct attention."

A two-story lavender house on 535 Beach Ave. in Manahawkin fit that description. It was down the road from a high school, located a quarter mile back from the road in a heavily wooded area. Police say the found 464 plants there.

Next-door neighbor Edna Collins said she never knew something illegal was going on until she saw a dozen police SUVs up and down the street.

``How would you know?" she said. ``You would never see anything."

Another 504 plants were found in another two-story home with a three-car garage at 38 Robbins Road in Millstone.
Three people arrested in 10 million dollar marijuana bust in New Jersey

[Ed in Westchester]

wtf garth

That's got Wang written all over it.

pause

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Did you agree with Hank getting pulled?

Yes, they played tighter D in front of Auld. Plus they saw last week when Pitt pulled Fleury (although he was truly terrible) that shaking things up can turn things around.

[Dep]

greaaaaaaaaat, pot prices just went up even more! boo

[Lunkwill Fook]

PATERSON, N.J. - A New Jersey man with apocalyptic visions is accused of years of terrorizing his family, raping his five daughters and impregnating three, beating his children with wooden boards and even moving at one point to avoid child welfare investigators.

The nightmarish picture of a family subjected to more than a decade of threats and violence and largely cut off from the outside world is emerging in a state courthouse where prosecutors are preparing to have the man stand trial five times, one per child victim.

As the first case nears trial, questions have been raised about whether state authorities could have put a stop to the abuse sooner. Some of the crimes are alleged to have occurred while the family was under scrutiny by the state child welfare agency, and after the father had been arrested and pleaded guilty to assault and child endangerment.

The fuck!

[Dep]

I wonder how they did the electricity, 90% of grow ops in houses get caught cuz of the electricity

[Ed in Westchester]

Yes, they played tighter D in front of Auld. Plus they saw last week when Pitt pulled Fleury (although he was truly terrible) that shaking things up can turn things around.

Al Arbour used to do the goalie switch alot.Some guys would make a switch, and then, switch back.

Back then, the good part for the team doing it was the goalie got to warm up by facing shots (like a relief pitcher), so it was like a free time-out.
The league then changed the rule to no warm ups.

[Tim]

ohhhh blues v isles tonight? oh snap

i hope i can make it home to time to watch that shit

i hope they make oshie's head bleed

JT > TJ

nobody makes Oshie bleed his own blood....
He just leveled a TSA guy at JFK, a guy at the cab stand and the concierge at his hotel...John and Kyle better keep the heads up.

[Ed in Westchester]

I wonder how they did the electricity, 90% of grow ops in houses get caught cuz of the electricity

rich areas, with lots of pools, so it could be figured the house simply had a pool.

[Lunkwill Fook]

JACKSON, Miss. - A northern Mississippi school district will not be hosting a high school prom this spring after a lesbian student asked to attend with her girlfriend and wear a tuxedo.

The Itawamba County school district's board decided Wednesday to drop the prom because of what it called recent distractions, but without specifically mentioning the girl's request, which was backed by the American Civil Liberties Union.

The student, 18-year-old high school senior Constance McMillen, said it was retaliation for her efforts to bring her girlfriend, also a student, to the April 2 dance.

Lame.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

nobody makes Oshie bleed his own blood....
He just leveled a TSA guy at JFK, a guy at the cab stand and the concierge at his hotel...John and Kyle better keep the heads up.

That sounds like a job for Richard Park.

[Tim]

I wonder how they did the electricity, 90% of grow ops in houses get caught cuz of the electricity

gas generators?......a dude in the burbs got busted by a police helicopter using its infared cameras.....the house had such a big heat signature the cops thought it was on fire and sent the FD...

[Ed in Westchester]

dep will like this news iirc


Question: Anything on Entourage? —Jimmy
Ausiello: Autumn Reeser’s returning! The O.C. triple threat (gorgeous, talented, loves me) just signed on to reprise her role as junior agent Lizzie Grant for a handful of episodes in season 7. And next week she starts work on the Greg Berlanti-produced ABC pilot No Ordinary Family. Someone’s in demand!

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

gas generators?......a dude in the burbs got busted by a police helicopter using its infared cameras.....the house had such a big heat signature the cops thought it was on fire and sent the FD...

They need to get some solar power action going. Go green to grow green!

[Rave]

Yes, they played tighter D in front of Auld.

I LOLed at Zajac's goal and spared a thought for you and your low-scoring predictions.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

dep will like this news iirc

Look up Autmn Reeser on egotastic. It will be well worth it.

[sheadenizen]

rich areas, with lots of pools, so it could be figured the house simply had a pool.

In the winter? In NJ? Come on!

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

I LOLed at Zajac's goal and spared a thought for you and your low-scoring predictions.

Yeah that one slid slow enough you figure they could have made a line change and still had someone back there to clear it off the line.

[Ed in Westchester]

Look up Autmn Reeser on egotastic. It will be well worth it.

she's not for me. too damn skinny.

[Dep]

nobody makes Oshie bleed his own blood....
He just leveled a TSA guy at JFK, a guy at the cab stand and the concierge at his hotel...John and Kyle better keep the heads up.

ahhh the game is here? fucknuts. little chance i see much of it then. boo

[Ed in Westchester]

In the winter? In NJ? Come on!

I just repeat what I heard on the news.
they do that for cover.

[Ed in Westchester]

Someone needs to tell Omar to tell Jerry to stay the fuck away from DbM

they're gonna ruin this kid.

[sheadenizen]

I just repeat what I heard on the news.
they do that for cover.

Electric snow blowers would have been a better cover story :)

[Dep]

Look up Autmn Reeser on egotastic. It will be well worth it.

link me please

i love her so

[Dep]

she's not for me. too damn skinny.

HDY

[sheadenizen]

Someone needs to tell Omar to tell Jerry to stay the fuck away from DbM

they're gonna ruin this kid.

It gives me nightmares!

[Dep]

ah fuck, egotastic is blocked!

god damn it

[Ed in Westchester]

By the way, earlier today, WFAN’s Mike Francesa said he still expects the Mets to sign a free-agent relief pitcher, and, “There is still a good chance they make a trade for starting pitcher.”



mclite

[lucienlc]

Some people have indoor pools, Shea. We had one in a country house i Westchester that my parents owned for a few years. That was fun. And decadent!

[Ed in Westchester]

HDY

she looks like I'd hurt her.

[Dep]

more for me

http://www.terrorhotties.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/autumn.jpg

http://theeriver.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/autumn-reeser-01.jpg

[Ed in Westchester]

Some people have indoor pools, Shea. We had one in a country house i Westchester that my parents owned for a few years. That was fun. And decadent!

I have an indoor pool.

My bathtub.

seriously, there are a few of them in my area. Rumor has it one house a couple of blocks away has an indoor AND outdoor pool.

the house was for sale forever, due to the high price and the taxes.

[Ed in Westchester]

more for me

http://www.terrorhotties.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/autumn.jpg

http://theeriver.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/autumn-reeser-01.jpg

that's better then her on the show.

she scares me on the show.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

ah fuck, egotastic is blocked!

god damn it

Check your hotmail. Warning it's a copied NSFW image so I don't know if that will get through.

[Lunkwill Fook]

more for me

http://www.terrorhotties.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/autumn.jpg

http://theeriver.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/autumn-reeser-01.jpg

I would definitely chain her up in my basement.

[Dep]

that's better then her on the show.

she scares me on the show.

......!

[Dep]

Check your hotmail. Warning it's a copied NSFW image so I don't know if that will get through.

OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

for your service to the crown, you can make fun of the isles all you want today. hahahaa

that was awesome. i want more, i dont like the angle of this one

muchas
gracias
!!!!!!!!!!!

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

for your service to the crown, you can make fun of the isles all you want today. hahahaa

that was awesome. i want more, i dont like the angle of this one

muchas
gracias
!!!!!!!!!!!

Give me a minute.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Check your hotmail. Warning it's a copied NSFW image so I don't know if that will get through.

OMG me too!

[lucienlc]

I have an indoor pool.

My bathtub.

seriously, there are a few of them in my area. Rumor has it one house a couple of blocks away has an indoor AND outdoor pool.

the house was for sale forever, due to the high price and the taxes.

Ed, when we were looking at lake houses in recent years, one of the houses I really liked had an indoor pool of mammoth proportions. Absolutely gorgeous, huge pool, with a wide walking/sitting area surrounding it, as well as another dining/entertaining area slightly raised and off to one side with fridge and other kitchen accountrements. Ceiling was like thirty feet high. I couldn't even imagine how ghastly the heating bills on this place must be in winter. That's without getting into the windowed side overlooking the lake. Magnificent place (but way too much house for us, even w/o considering the undoubtedly staggering maintenance costs).

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

OMG me too!

Don't have your email Lunk, ask Dep to fwd it.

[Dep]

hey lunk, you still got my work email acct? shoot me a note, i'll hit you back w pics

[Dep]

wuttttttttttt. hellz no


Adam Schefter reports Tomilson visiting Jets Friday
If Tomilson doesn't get his deal from Vikings today, he will meet with the Jets on Friday...

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

The Isles suck (Dep told me I could do it).

[sheadenizen]

Only the mets hold pressers to address the previous pressers they had about the pressers they had before. oy vey!


No live chat today. Sorry about that. But with an update on Jose Reyes and the thyroid drama coming at 12:30 this afternoon, I'm not going to have time to squeeze in the live chat. We'll schedule it for another date.

As for Reyes, hopefully today's update will be the end of it. Omar Minaya and Reyes' agent, Peter Greenberg, will be on a conference call to address the situation.

That was from Lennon btw!

[Dep]

The Isles suck (Dep told me I could do it).

lol

[peejay]

mets v sox on tv here today.

[Dep]

Posnanski weighs in on Mets

Quote:
Of course, different people have different ideas about what makes an exciting baseball player. But, in general, the blueprint would look an awful lot like Jose Reyes.

In fact, not that long ago, Bill James and I plotted out a formula (admittedly the formula is a lot more me than Bill -- he just offered suggestions) to try and determine the most exciting players in baseball. I lost that original formula, but I tried to recreate it, taking into account triples (the most exciting play in baseball!), stolen bases, batting average, defensive excitement (subjective) and a couple of other things. I'm pretty sure I created the most wildly flawed formula to appear on the Internet today.

Here then, according to this wildly flawed formula, are the 11 most exciting seasons of the last 25 years:

1. Jose Reyes, 2006.
2. Jose Reyes, 2008
3. Jimmy Rollins, 2007
4. Ichiro Suzuki, 2001
5. Carl Crawford, 2004
6. Jose Reyes, 2007
7. Chuck Knoblauch, 1996.
8. Hanley Ramirez, 2006
9. Tony Gwynn, 1987
10. Tim Raines, 1985
11. Carlos Beltran, 2001.

Obviously, you can create your own formula -- and I hope you will -- but the point is that at least according to one fairly standard view, Reyes defined exciting baseball. He hit lots of triples. He also hit doubles and a few home runs. He led the league in stolen bases three years in a row. He made dazzling plays at shortstop. Sure, there were always people who thought Reyes needed to get on base more and could have been a touch steadier defensively. But that stuff would come! The point with Reyes was excitement. He was exciting. The Mets were exciting.

Anyway, that's how it was in 2006, when Reyes was 23 years old and the Mets won 97 games. That's also how it was in 2007, when Reyes stole 78 bases -- most in 20 years -- and the Mets led the National League East by seven games in mid-September, you know, before losing 12 of their last 17 and blowing it to the Phillies.

Oh well, there was excitement even then. The Mets signed the best pitcher in baseball, Johan Santana. Reyes has probably his best season -- led the league with 204 hits and 19 triples, stole 56 bases. And the Mets led the National League East by 3½ games in mid-September, you know, before losing four of their next five and never again getting back into first place.

Sure, the late season fadeouts hurt. They hurt a lot. But -- and it's easy to forget this -- the Mets still looked to be in awfully good shape. Reyes was exciting. Santana was dazzling. Third baseman David Wright was one of the best players in baseball. Center fielder Carlos Beltran was one of the best players in baseball. Carlos Delgado had hit 38 home runs -- the 11th time in 12 years he hit 30-plus homers. Francisco Rodriguez came to New York after he had set the single-season save record in Anaheim -- finally, the Mets had their answer for the Great Rivera.

So, how did it all go so wrong? Just look at the Mets now. They are now arguing over Jose Reyes' thyroid. That's the big story at Mets camp these days. The Mets seem to believe -- based on what they're hearing from doctors -- that Reyes has an overactive thyroid. Reyes seems to believe -- based on what he's hearing from doctors -- that his thyroid is fine. Everybody is waiting for the results from the latest tests. These days, Jose Reyes' thyroid has the third highest Q-Rating in New York, behind only David Paterson and David Letterman. It could get its own show by the weekend.

Of course, the thyroid talk is just an emblem of the Mets' issues -- of Carlos Beltran's knee surgery, of David Wright's power outage, of Carlos Delgado's hip injury, of the surgery Johan Santana had to remove bone chips, of the Mets' abominable 70-92 record last year.*

* The Mets became the first team in baseball history to spend $140 million (well, $149 million and some change) and have a losing record. Here is a list of all the teams to spend $140 million on payroll in a season and their win total:

2009 Mets: 70 wins
2009 Yankees: 103 wins
2008 Yankees: 89 wins
2007 Yankees: 94 wins
2007 Red Sox: 96 wins
2006 Yankees: 97 wins
2005 Yankees: 95 wins
2004 Yankees: 101 wins
2003 Yankees: 101 wins

In other words, the thyroid talk is just the latest in a whole bunch of really weird things to happen to the Mets. Of course, Mets fans -- at least the ones I hear from all the time -- seem to think this is all just part of being ... Mets fans. It's all part of the tradition. The Mets have a proud history of "The Mets Being The Mets" that, of course, goes back to the 1962 team that most people would agree was the worst baseball team of the last 100 years.

The teams that followed were not much better -- until the 1969 Miracle Mets and the 1973 Ya Gotta Believe Mets. Then, the late 1970s, another dreadful lull, that time when Joe Torre came to understand that it's hard to be a genius with Lenny Randle at third, Doug Flynn at second and Craig Swan as your Opening Day starter.

Then, came the great mid-80s Mets that didn't win quite as much as they should have won. Then came the dreadful early 1990s Mets, the good-but-not-good enough late 1990s Mets, the dreadful early 2000s Mets, and finally this team dealing with a spotty lineup, a spotty rotation and a thyroid problem.

The thing is, that if they could stop the bad momentum ... this Mets team has talent. Johan Santana, if he's healthy, is as good as anybody. Beltran appears to be on the mend after knee surgery -- he says that he's feeling better about his knee than he has in years. You would like to believe that David Wright, having worked out whatever swing problems he had last year, will return to being a terrific player. Jason Bay gives the Mets a strong middle-of-the lineup bat. The rotation -- with 20-somethings Mike Pelfrey, John Maine and Oliver Perez -- could be OK, and K-Rod is still a top closer no matter what Goose Gossage may have said about him.*

* I guess Gossage called K-Rod a "clown" because of his theatrics on the field, and K-Rod responded by saying he had never heard of Gossage. So, that went well. Gossage also suggested that while Mariano Rivera is the best "modern reliever," he prefers himself and the 52 saves in which he got at least seven outs. Rivera, he points out, only has two of those. Case closed.

And while this is off-topic, it should be pointed out that Gossage does not have the most seven-out saves in baseball history, and he doesn't have the second most, and he doesn't have the third, fourth, fifth or sixth-most either. One of his teammates, Sparky Lyle, had more.

The list of most saves, 7-or-more outs:

1. Rollie Fingers, 74 saves
2. Dan Quisenberry, 65 saves
3. Gene Garber, 64 saves
4. Hoyt Wilhelm, 61 saves
5. Mike Marshall, 57 saves
6. Sparky Lyle, 56 saves
7. Goose Gossage, 52 saves
8. Lindy McDaniel, 51 saves
9. Bill Campbell, 49 saves
10. Bob Stanley, 48 saves.

And then there's Jose Reyes. He was hurt for almost all of the 2009 season. He has had a rough camp with his thyroid issues and with the FBI questioning him about his connection to Canadian doctor Tony Galea, who has been charged with conspiring to smuggle HgH into the U.S. But here's the thing. He's only 26 years old. He says that he feels healthy. He still has the talent to be one of the most exciting players in the game. And he and the Mets are due for something good ... it has to happen one of these days.

[Athena]

Posnanski weighs in on Mets

Yay!!! Mets day at Posnanski's house!! I've been wondering who he would pick.

:)

[sheadenizen]

Yay!!! Mets day at Posnanski's house!! I've been wondering who he would pick.

:)

Wondering who who would pick? For what? I don't understand this.

[Dep]

Francisco Pena has more ABs this spring than Nick Evans

just trade the dude or release him. its a joke

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

I hate when they don't adjust payrolls for inflation. How about the Yankees being the first $190MM team to miss the playoffs as in 2008.

[Dep]

Chris Carter has a spring OPS of over 2.5

[Athena]

These are a very funny group of Oscar Movie Posters. (http://www.collegehumor.com/article:1802286) All ten are there, but I thought I'd post one or two here.

[Athena]

Wondering who who would pick? For what? I don't understand this.

Sorry, Shea. I was referring to the article that Dep posted. Joe Posnanski is doing a series of articles.


So, we’re going to start something here, something that I fully intend to regret, something I will call The Player of the Day. The idea is to write about an interesting player from a different team every day leading up to Opening Day. My hope is that the player will somehow reflect what I think about the team. You may ask: Why would anyone start a lunatic project like this?

And I would answer: Because it’s there.

[sheadenizen]

Now it makes sense. Thanks, Athena.

[peejay]

coen brothers filming True Grit nearby

http://www.tdtnews.com/story/2010/03/10/64731

[sheadenizen]

Chris Carter has a spring OPS of over 2.5

And won't make the team. Why you ask? Because it's preordained that Jacobs or Cattalanto will. Mets have preconceived notion. Mets maintain preconceived notion. That's the law!

[Dep]

The true story of Eckstein?!?!?! about time!

[Dep]

Jacobs has 5 BBs in 13 PAs...actually borderline impressive

too bad his BA always sucks

[peejay]

I hate when they don't adjust payrolls for inflation. How about the Yankees being the first $190MM team to miss the playoffs as in 2008.

can someone calculate the mets payroll+

[Dep]

And won't make the team. Why you ask? Because it's preordained that Jacobs or Cattalanto will. Mets have preconceived notion. Mets maintain preconceived notion. That's the law!

PROVEN VETERAN!!!! ugh

ok lunch

[Dep]

ed_price
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#Mets say SS Jose Reyes will rest, refrain from athletic activity and change diet. Can resume baseball activities when thyroid level normal 3 minutes ago via TweetDeck .

[Athena]

coen brothers filming True Grit nearby

http://www.tdtnews.com/story/2010/03/10/64731

Jeff Bridges as Rooster Cogburn? That's going to be a popular movie!

[peejay]

The true story of Eckstein?!?!?! about time!

i could be an extra! hell, i am 5'8 and white. i could play ECK

[Squadron Nye]

and when pray tell will his thyroid levels be normal? How long does it take for the new diet to affect the levels. oy

[Squadron Nye]

ted berg on the expected idiocy:

So Adam Rubin — who is usually spot-on about stuff like this — reports that Jenrry Mejia will work as a reliever in big-league camp for the remainder of Spring Training and, even if he is sent back to the Minors to start the season, will not be stretched out to start games by Opening Day.

[Athena]

ted berg on the expected idiocy:

Well, they change their minds on a dime. Maybe they'll have a new "grand plan" in a couple of weeks. Or else someone will contradict this statement in a day or two.

That's our only hope.

[sheadenizen]

ted berg on the expected idiocy:

Nye, I've already kvetched about this. Actually I've been kvetching for days knowing this was coming and that the idiot Manuel will screw this kid up. Where the hell is the mets FO in all this? Too busy fighting with reyes and his agent about what constitues "overactive." Just shoot em now!

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

i could be an extra! hell, i am 5'8 and white. i could play ECK

You'd have to make sure you stay in character and run your hardest to the stage between takes.

[sheadenizen]

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they have to remain normal for 3 minutes?

[Dave Magadan]

Morning all! Ah Reyes headed for the DL and Mejia headed to the pen to fight for Jer's job. Beautiful Morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sheadenizen]

Mets shortstop Jose Reyes will rest, refrain from athletic activity and make changes in his diet, according to the treatment prescribed by doctors and specialists, the Mets announced on Thursday.

The shortstop will be sidelined for an unknown period of time. Reyes' thyroid levels will be monitored through reglar blood tests, and he will be cleared to resume baseball activities once his thyroid levels return to normal.

The Mets said that additional blood tests confirmed that Reyes' thyroid hormone blood levels are elevated.

UNKNOWN PERIOD OF TIME!

[sheadenizen]

Hey maggz....long time no see. How's it going?

[Ed in Westchester]

we're fucked

[Ed in Westchester]

Hi Maggz!

[Athena]

Hi DMag! Glad you're back!

[sheadenizen]

we're fucked

what the hell is the point of 17 press conferences if you don't have the answers to anything?
All anyone wants to know is when reyes can return. the answer.....duh!
Every doctor in the country ( and a few non doctors...yea you, Misters Lupica nd Carton) have had an opinion on this without ever seeing the patient.
Now they couldn't find a soul who would give them an estimate on how long this might be?

[Danny]

hahaha FOL

"Unknown period of time" and I could punch Jerry in the ovaries.

[Dave Magadan]

HEy Shea! Hey ED! HEy Athena! Good to be back...Really reyes 2-8 weeks!?!?! Well maybe now Jerry can get fired and we hire Bobby Valentine who will implement a carboard cutoff of Fred Wilpon and for every loss the Mets get they have to strip a piece off a la Major League.;)

[Danny]

espn.com


New York said Thursday that Reyes has been told to change his diet and will be able to resume playing baseball when his thyroid levels are normal. His agent, Peter Greenberg, said Reyes will be sidelined for 2-to-8 weeks.

FMITA

[fatt lipp]

2 out of 3. Time for Wright to contract Lou Gehrig's Disease.

[Squadron Nye]

espn.com


FMITA

@#%$#$%^$^#$@#$@$@#!@#@% So basically he's not on going to be in the opening day lineup. fucking unreal

[Athena]

2-8 weeks?? For his thyroid? What the hell?

Why the hell can't he play with a hyperactive thyroid? Maybe they are worried about his heart. No wonder there was so much trauma with the release.

[Squadron Nye]

2 out of 3. Time for Wright to contract Lou Gehrig's Disease.

hahaha...

sup lipperious.

[sheadenizen]

OMG, fatt. That was beyond the scope of humor. :(

[Rave]

A little bloodletting and some boar's vomit, and he'll be fine!

[fatt lipp]

OMG, fatt. That was beyond the scope of humor. :(

NOTHING is beyond the scope of humor, or beyond the scope of the absurd, with this team. NOTHING.

[Squadron Nye]

WEEKS.... Wasn't it yesterday that they were "expecting him back by the weekend" These schmucks cannot keep quiet to save their own ass.

[Squadron Nye]

goddamn ponderous

[Dep]

Just wait

in 2-8 weeks Jose is going to be a fatty

[fatt lipp]

hahaha...

sup lipperious.

yo nye. hey, has booey been on the board recently. major ok corral-type gunfights in his hood recently.

[Danny]

You just have to laugh sometimes.

[Squadron Nye]

Minaya says that when Reyes returns to camp, he will need to be built up again, “as far as running and those types of things,” coming off his injury. He said that this is why he went out and re-signed Alex Cora this offseason.

Oh is that why you did that Omar? Really? You predicted a hyper-thyroid in your best player? I thought it was because he was a heckuva guy

[fatt lipp]

Just wait

in 2-8 weeks Jose is going to be a fatty

This better not save Jer's job. "Beltran and Jose were out until June 1, and it's hard to field a competitive bla bla bla..."

[Dep]

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In a surprise development to the Mets and Jose Reyes' agent, the shortstop will open the season on the DL.

On a conference call with reporters, agent Peter Greenberg and GM Omar Minaya said that Reyes cannot have any physical exertion for the next two to eight weeks. Initial tests suggested Reyes could be back in Port St. Lucie by the weekend, but the final tests showed Reyes' thyroid levels spiked upward again when he did controlled physical activity earlier this week.

Reyes' thyroid levels will be tested weekly, and he'll be cleared to resume physical activity once those normalize. That could take as long as two months, however, Greenberg said. Reyes should be absent several weeks beyond when the thyroid normalizes because he will be idle and will need to get back into playing shape.

“He’s just going to have to rest,” Minaya said. “There’s not a specific time frame when it will get back to normal, but our doctors will be testing that on a regular basis.”

“Jose obviously is a little bit disappointed that it’s going to be a matter of weeks as opposed to days,” Greenberg said. “But it’s a completely curable, treatable situation. I think we all view it as good news. He's supposed to rest and watch his diet. He's not supposed to do anything that is going to raise the heart level so that the irritation can go down. ... He'll be tested on a weekly basis and hopefully the levels will start down. The doctors told us this was the best possible diagnosis and that there is no intervention or medication necessary."

Greenberg said a virus or dietary cause may have triggered the initial thyroid trouble.

Minaya said 20-year-old Ruben Tejada could be the Mets' Opening Day shortstop, with Alex Cora also an option.

It's a huge blow to the Mets, who already are without Carlos Beltran, likely until mid-May. Jerry Manuel hoped to use Reyes in the No. 3 hole until Beltran returned.

Reyes will not require medication, such as radioactive iodine, according to his agent.

"There is no medication for this," Minaya said. "What we heard from our doctors and the specialists in this area is that it's just rest right now."

Greenberg suggested the high level of physical activity for a professional athlete means Reyes needs to particularly be cautious.

"I think that's probably very accurate and probably why it went from days to weeks once the doctors had all conferred," he said.

[Dep]

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[Squadron Nye]

yo nye. hey, has booey been on the board recently. major ok corral-type gunfights in his hood recently.

he's been here in spurts. I did not hear about any gunfights in the Connecticut wilds. Board up the homestead and clean your six shooter

[sheadenizen]

pelfrey jumps ahead of pedroia 0-2 and proceeds to walk him. Ladies and gentlemen...you're 2010 mets. And now has given up 2 hits...bases loaded with 0 outs for the sawx!

[fatt lipp]

pelfrey jumps ahead of pedroia 0-2 and proceeds to walk him. Ladies and gentlemen...you're 2010 mets. And now has given up 2 hits...bases loaded with 0 outs for the sawx!

We don't need Jose or Beltran. Our starting pitching will hold the fort until they return after the AS break.

[Dep]

super best case scenario

1) ruben tejada does awesome filling in for jose
2) Luis Castillo slips on a banana peel
3) Jose/Tejada MI Combo by June 1st

[Athena]

.

You're going to need to bookmark this. It's going to get a lot of use this season.

[Chris in Ga]

Pelfrey sounds like he's throwing the ball good. I like what I'm seeing. Goes against the strike mantra

[Joe A.]

"There is no medication for this," Minaya said. "What we heard from our doctors and the specialists in this area is that it's just rest right now."

Yeah, just rest. THis sounds way too much like his hamstring last year. And Beltran's knee. If he has to rest for 2 months we may not see him until June. And that's assuming this resolves itself with rest - like all the injuries last year were supposed to.

[Squadron Nye]

We don't need Jose or Beltran. Our starting pitching will hold the fort until they return after the AS break.

Didn't you hear what Omar said? That's why we got Alex Cora.

Problem Solved!

[Danny]

lol @ a best case scenario playing out for these jabronies

[sheadenizen]

I'm numb! It's beyond comprehension. Go ahead and fuck up mejia at this point. who cares? how can you possibly give a shit anymore?
sorry...just had to vent. I've really had it.

[fatt lipp]

super best case scenario

1) ruben tejada does awesome filling in for jose
2) Luis Castillo slips on a banana peel
3) Jose/Tejada MI Combo by June 1st
don't pull a muscle there, depski.

[Squadron Nye]

lol @ a best case scenario playing out for these jabronies

Does the best case involve a meat cleaver, a rubber hose and some lube?

[Danny]

JUNIOR GEEK YALLZ

[fatt lipp]

I'm numb! It's beyond comprehension. Go ahead and fuck up mejia at this point. who cares? how can you possibly give a shit anymore?
sorry...just had to vent. I've really had it.
You can't say numb followed by an exclamation point. It's contradictory.

[Danny]

I love when Shea's potty mouth rears its beautiful head

[sheadenizen]

yea, Pelfrey's doing great....3-0 Sawx!

[Athena]

JUNIOR GEEK YALLZ

Congrats, Danny!

[Squadron Nye]

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[fatt lipp]

Seriously, when is the last Mets season that was over before it began? Has to be like the early 90s or something, dunnit? Torborg era?

[sheadenizen]

I love when Shea's potty mouth rears its beautiful head

If one didn't have a potty mouth before rooting for this team...one could hardly survive!

[Dep]

lol

meet the mess

[fatt lipp]

If one didn't have a potty mouth before rooting for this team...one could hardly survive!

fuckin A.

[Dep]

Toby Hyde re: Mejia


toby hyde

Quote:
All I can do is shake my head when I read things like this. This is a classic case of a lame duck manager, that is desperate for solutions, regardless of future ramifications.

[sheadenizen]

I hope lackey no hits the mets!

[fatt lipp]

All I can do is shake my head when I read things like this. This is a classic case of a lame duck manager, that is desperate for solutions, regardless of future ramifications.
And a similarly lame duck GM, who is just as desperate to save his job, who will let said manager do it.

[Squadron Nye]

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[Dave Magadan]

Cant wait till management gets fired and they'll blame Reyes for being selfish and having a faulty thyroid. All that salty latin food!? Shoot me in the head.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Jason Bay is seriously considering whether the jersey he got from the Rangers is a solicitation for a try out. Surely it can't be any worse than what he's gotten himself into with the Mets.

[Dep]

hahahahaha, JoeP may be a curse!

First player he wrote about: Joe Nathan
2nd player he wrote about: Jose Reyes

be skurred MLB

[Squadron Nye]

This mejia shit is a fucking crime. This mess boils down to counting on Kelvim as your setup guy. It's like going to vegas with no money because you're gonna win at roulette

[sheadenizen]

All I can do is shake my head when I read things like this. This is a classic case of a lame duck manager, that is desperate for solutions, regardless of future ramifications.

Why does everyone in the world see this except the mets! Unfrickinbelievable!

[In Da Know]

Familia hits 100MPH....94 to 100MPH....eyebrow raised....

[Dep]

Omar n Jerry should be raped by elephants for all eternity in their own personal hells if they do this shit

[Dep]

Familia hits 100MPH....94 to 100MPH....eyebrow raised....

juiced ST guns i'm sure have something to do with it

[Squadron Nye]

.

[sheadenizen]

Nye.....hysterical. Pathetic, but hysterical!

[Danny]

We'll just ruin Roc La Familia like we're going to do to Mejia. Until they switch teams of course

[Squadron Nye]

Metstradamus' sense of sarcasm just made his head explode.

[Rave]

I don’t mind a young starter getting his feet wet in the bullpen. Earl Weaver used to do it all the time. Bobby V would chortle “everyone’s a reliever” in September. Santana started in the pen. The Rangers are doing it to Neftali Perez. The Mets aren’t reinventing the wheel here.

(The Joba situation got fucked up because the Yanks mixed up the Weaver reliever with the Verducci effect and came up with Joba rules. Even intuitively, it’s a stupid hybrid. )

The problem is two-fold: 1. Mejia has only spent 2 seconds in AA, 2. Jerry is batshit crazy. 2a. Warthen has no idea what he’s doing. 2c. Mets suck.

[In Da Know]

juiced ST guns i'm sure have something to do with it

I don't know...the stadium guns...yes, but the Stalker guns back held by the other minor leaguer pitchers, no.

Now there could be a JUGs gun back there held by Barnstein (guy who follows Yankee and Mets prospects)...that could be the truth on that one...but he's normally reserve as to what he reports.

[fatt lipp]

POD, Nye!! hahahahaha!!

[Athena]

Jason Bay is seriously considering whether the jersey he got from the Rangers is a solicitation for a try out. Surely it can't be any worse than what he's gotten himself into with the Mets.

I don't feel sorry for Bay. He knew what he was signing up for. And he's getting paid a ton. Let him suffer with the rest of them.

[Danny]

I don’t mind a young starter getting his feet wet in the bullpen. Earl Weaver used to do it all the time. Bobby V would chortle “everyone’s a reliever” in September. Santana started in the pen. The Rangers are doing it to Neftali Perez. The Mets aren’t reinventing the wheel here.

(The Joba situation got fucked up because the Yanks mixed up the Weaver reliever with the Verducci effect and came up with Joba rules. Even intuitively, it’s a stupid hybrid. )

The problem is two-fold: 1. Mejia has only spent 2 seconds in AA, 2. Jerry is batshit crazy. 2a. Warthen has no idea what he’s doing. 2c. Mets suck.

The problem is that we've never adequately stretched Mejia's arm out as a starter. What is the most innings he's ever thrown in a season? We'll have to start ALL OVER if we make him a reliever. He'll never build his arm up correctly to be a starter. Never.

[fatt lipp]

That praying kid actually looks a little like my boy. Only my kid is an atheist.

[Dep]

We'll just ruin Roc La Familia like we're going to do to Mejia. Until they switch teams of course

OMGZ WHY HAVE HIM BE A STARTER WITH A FASTBALL LIKE THAT

/jerjer

[sheadenizen]

I don't know...the stadium guns...yes, but the Stalker guns back held by the other minor leaguer pitchers, no.

Now there could be a JUGs gun back there held by Barnstein (guy who follows Yankee and Mets prospects)...that could be the truth on that one...but he's normally reserve as to what he reports.

I'm confused, IDK. Are you implying it's a good thing or you implying the mets are concocting this. I'm not sure I get the message. Sorry.

[fatt lipp]

I don't feel sorry for Bay. He knew what he was signing up for. And he's getting paid a ton. Let him suffer with the rest of them.
Give me $65MM and I'll play for a team that doesn't win a game ever. Ring, my ass.

[Dep]

I don't know...the stadium guns...yes, but the Stalker guns back held by the other minor leaguer pitchers, no.

Now there could be a JUGs gun back there held by Barnstein (guy who follows Yankee and Mets prospects)...that could be the truth on that one...but he's normally reserve as to what he reports.

right right i hear ya....there's so much variance with guns

i've read whether the gun is aimed at the pitcher's release point orrrr the plate can make a difference of up to 5MPH

and i wouldnt put it past the mets to play up something they know isnt true just for the positive PR

[Joe A.]

What happened to all the doctors who were saying his condition is very treatable?

Now its uncurable, and all we can do it cross our fingers and hope it goes away on its own? How is that possible?

[Chris in Ga]

Familia was topping out at 91 when I saw him last season.

[Rave]

Familia hits 100MPH....94 to 100MPH....eyebrow raised....

I still remember fondly when Guerra's FB spiked to 95 on a fine spring training day....

[Dave Magadan]

To me the whole Mejia thing boils down to he has the ability to be a a very special starting pitcher. Those don't grow on trees. Try to get one in FA and it will cost you. With Mejia being relatively cheap for the next years why in God's name would you even try to ruin that to be your 8th inning guy.

[sheadenizen]

OMGZ WHY HAVE HIM BE A STARTER WITH A FASTBALL LIKE THAT

/jerjer

We don't need starters, dep. We have Pelfrey, lollie and Maine. Don't be silly. We're loaded.

[Danny]

To me the whole Mejia thing boils down to he has the ability to be a a very special starting pitcher. Those don't grow on trees. Try to get one in FA and it will cost you. With Mejia being relatively cheap for the next years why in God's name would you even try to ruin that to be your 8th inning guy.

Because they have self interests and care not about the long term.

[Dep]

We don't need starters, dep. We have Pelfrey, lollie and Maine. Don't be silly. We're loaded.

MANY EXCITING INTERNAL OPTIONS!!!!

[Chris in Ga]

100 or no 100, Kyle Allen is the best bet between the two. Change up gonna make the difference imo. Allen has one, Familia can't throw em

[fatt lipp]

Because they have self interests and care not about the long term.

ding ding.

[sheadenizen]

That praying kid actually looks a little like my boy. Only my kid is an atheist.

he'd have to be. No one could believe that God would rain all his fury on the mets!

[Joe A.]

That praying kid actually looks a little like my boy. Only my kid is an atheist.

I am dreading having to tell my kids (5 & 7) about Jose. He is their favorite player and they were so excited for the season to start so they could see him play. This was the first time they seemed really interested in baseball. Now they'll probably end up Yankees fans.

[Dep]

I would literally fight club omar's nuts and tell him if it lets this shit go down he's losing more than a job

[Dep]

100 or no 100, Kyle Allen is the best bet between the two. Change up gonna make the difference imo. Allen has one, Familia can't throw em

its funny, the AA annual sees it the other way

[Chris in Ga]

I finally got my Kelvim Escobar jersey in the mail

[Dep]

I finally got my Kelvim Escobar jersey in the mail

lol @ ur thread title

[Squadron Nye]

Because they have self interests and care not about the long term.

seriously.. Someone tell Jeff that he can't get fired.

[Chris in Ga]

its funny, the AA annual sees it the other way

Then, if you read Mike Newman, which is the article after their top prospect list, he begs to differ and I take his opinion over the guy who wrote the write up for Allen

[fatt lipp]

I am dreading having to tell my kids (5 & 7) about Jose. He is their favorite player and they were so excited for the season to start so they could see him play. This was the first time they seemed really interested in baseball. Now they'll probably end up Yankees fans.
There's your silver lining. At least they'll be rooting for a professionally run organization that expects to win. I haven't even turned my boys on to the Mets. I kid you not.

[Joe A.]

Without Reyes and Beltran they are going to be desperate for a little excitement at Citi this year - whether that means Mejia or Ike I don't know. Maybe both.

[In Da Know]

Familia was topping out at 91 when I saw him last season.

Exactly Chris...I saw 94 once....

94 to 100MPH....my eyebrow is raised....

[Rave]

The problem is that we've never adequately stretched Mejia's arm out as a starter. What is the most innings he's ever thrown in a season? We'll have to start ALL OVER if we make him a reliever. He'll never build his arm up correctly to be a starter. Never.

94.2 innings in A+ and AA, plus some more in AFL.

[Squadron Nye]

I am dreading having to tell my kids (5 & 7) about Jose. He is their favorite player and they were so excited for the season to start so they could see him play. This was the first time they seemed really interested in baseball. Now they'll probably end up Yankees fans.

Tell them that hair will grow on their palms if they watch the yankees.

That's how that saying goes, right?

[fatt lipp]

Without Reyes and Beltran they are going to be desperate for a little excitement at Citi this year - whether that means Mejia or Ike I don't know. Maybe both.

CF is gonna be like Marlins games, with 5000 people in the stands, and on the broadcast you can hear every word of every shout of every fan.

[Squadron Nye]

CF is gonna be like Marlins games, with 5000 people in the stands, and on the broadcast you can hear every word of every shout of every fan.

we could do the 7th inning meet-and-greet where everyone in the stadium stands up and introduces themselves to the group

[Joe A.]

CF is gonna be like Marlins games, with 5000 people in the stands, and on the broadcast you can hear every word of every shout of every fan.

Well then maybe I'll buy some tickets after all. I've got a few things I'd like to get off my chest.

[fatt lipp]

Tell them that hair will grow on their palms if they watch the yankees.

That's how that saying goes, right?

So THAT'S how I got hairy palms. I'm sorry. I was channel-surfing and Jetes was coming up to bat.

[sheadenizen]

Joe, really...let them be Yankee fans. They're more likely to grow up normal and well adjusted people. If you love them you won't subject them to this.

[Chris in Ga]

I'm bummed that Daniel Stegall won't be playing for Savannah this year. I Got used to seeing his tools on the field in the Sally

[Peter H]

From Ted Berg:

<blockquote>You can point to recent examples of now-successful starting pitchers who broke into the Majors as relievers, like Johan Santana and Adam Wainwright, but the situations are not the same. Wainwright had excellent breaking stuff in 2006 and enough confidence in it to throw it in big spots — Mets fans know that all too well.

Santana spent 2000 mostly getting torched in the Twins’ bullpen because he had been a Rule 5 draft pick. He didn’t become the Johan Santana we know until 2002, after a stint in the Minors. From the Wikipedia:

In 2002, the Twins sent Santana to the minors for 2 months to work almost exclusively on perfecting his changeup. He did this for 10 starts and came back up to the majors with a terrific changeup to complement his very good fastball. While in the minors, pitching coach Bobby Cuellar made Santana throw at least one changeup to every batter. According to Cuellar, Santana would sometimes throw 20 in a row during games.

You can’t throw 20 changeups in a row in Major League games. It would be very, very bad.

Naturally, Mejia is not Santana, just like he’s not Wainwright and he’s not Rivera and he’s not Doc Gooden, either. I’m as excited as everyone else is about his potential, which is why I’m hoping that, for once, the Mets can be patient and allow his ability to match his hype before they elevate him to the big-league level.</blockquote>

[fatt lipp]

we could do the 7th inning meet-and-greet where everyone in the stadium stands up and introduces themselves to the group

heh. Geex Anonymous. I'm Lippy, and I'm -- sniff -- a Mets fan.

[fatt lipp]

Joe, really...let them be Yankee fans. They're more likely to grow up normal and well adjusted people. If you love them you won't subject them to this.

Yet again, Shea and I on the same page. Life has enough bad shit in it. Sports fandom is supposed to be an enjoyable escape.

[In Da Know]

Did Stegall end up going to play Football in Miss or Louisiana as a walk-on?

[sheadenizen]

Well then maybe I'll buy some tickets after all. I've got a few things I'd like to get off my chest.

hahahahaha! Love it and look forward to hearing you!

[Danny]

94.2 innings in A+ and AA, plus some more in AFL.

Right, so by the generally accepted +30 standard the dude needs at least TWO more seasons of, um, seasoning in the minors before he is ready to take on a full season load.

[Dep]

the problem is we're sacrificing the development of a potential future ace pitcher to be a BP pitcher for a team that IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH this season

yay Mejia go pitch 60 meaningless innings for a team going nowhere. YIPPPEEEEEE

[Chris in Ga]

Stegall is at miss st

[Dep]

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[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Cleveland's Lebron suspended for 50 games (http://sports.espn.go.com/minorlbb/news/story?id=4984278)

[In Da Know]

Daniel Stegall's professional baseball career may be over, but his athletic career is definitely not.

Stegall was released by the New York Mets two weeks ago after four seasons in the minor leagues. Stegall batted .219 with six home runs in 245 games over four seasons, all on the Class A level or below.

"Baseball is what I'm in love with," Stegall said. "It's tough, but I gave it my best shot. It didn't work out."

Stegall has been in Greenwood recently, working out and getting ready to resume a football career.

"There's nothing official, but there's a couple of schools I'm talking with," Stegall said. "This is just my second week of working out and trying to get back into football shape."

Stegall did pitch for the Florida Marlin scouts last week.

"I threw a (bullpen session), but I don't think pitching is what I want to do," Stegall said.

In 2006, Stegall became the first football player from Greenwood to sign a Division I football national letter of intent.

He capped a record-breaking career for the Bulldogs with a state championship in 2005, but Stegall decided not to play football for the Miami Hurricanes after being selected in the seventh round of the June draft by the Mets.

Stegall, who will turn 22 in September, is now set to follow a familiar path for many baseball players once that sport is over, returning to college to pursue football. Among the schools that Stegall has already talked to are Ohio University, Mississippi State, Auburn and Arkansas.

During his junior season at Greenwood, Stegall operated Greenwood's Spread offense almost flawlessly by throwing for 2,065 yards and running for 1,022. He was the first quarterback in state history in a big-school classification to pass for more than 2,000 yards and run for more than 1,000 in the same season. In 2005, he duplicated the feat with 2,546 passing yards and 1,475 rushing yards.

In his career, he accounted for 97 offensive touchdowns and also returned an interception for a touchdown during his junior season.

Stegall does not plan on returning to college until the 2010-11 season. That allows him to take advantage of a clause in his baseball contract that provides for eight semesters of college to be paid for by the Mets.

"I'm watching video, reading coverages and working out," Stegall said. "That's what the next few months are for.

http://www.greenwooddemocrat.com/articles/2009/07/22/sports/sports01.txt

[Joe A.]

Wasn't it yesterday that Omar said Mejia will be starting in AA? Its Jerry that keeps saying he is an option in the pen. They are definitely not on the same page here - I know, hard to believe the Mets are giving conflicting reports.

[Dave Magadan]

Stoner is this ST's Dillon Gee.

[sheadenizen]

Meanwhile, the mets are making this radical decision mostly based on 5 innings of work in ST. So now I find myself hoping he comes in the next few times and get shellacked. It's our only hope.

[fatt lipp]

Cleveland's Lebron suspended for 50 games (http://sports.espn.go.com/minorlbb/news/story?id=4984278)
ha! nice one!

[Joe A.]

Meanwhile, the mets are making this radical decision mostly based on 5 innings of work in ST. So now I find myself hoping he comes in the next few times and get shellacked. It's our only hope.

Well 5 Innings of ST plus the month he got shelled in winter ball and the entire second half of last season when he got knocked around in AA.