General Discussion Thread 3/8/10: I chose you, Takachu version 2.0

[Chris in Ga]

Oliver perez wipes his ass with twenty dollar bills

[Squadron Nye]

maybe that's the source of his suck. An itchy ass

[Chris in Ga]

Perez got hit hard yesterday but like Jerry said, it was about throwing strikes. I hate that rationale. I'd rather him walk five and give up no hits then pitch like he did yesterday.

[Danny]

Guess who's back? Back again. lollie's back, FOL

[lucienlc]

ITA, Chris, about the reaction to Ollie's start. How ridiculous! We set the bar so low. He threw strikes. Wowza. Be still my heart. Throwing strikes is nice, but in the overall scheme of things, if you're going to throw strikes, the idea is to throw strikes that aren't hit for big runs by the other team. Mejia threw strikes. Takahashi threw strikes. Even Pat Misch threw strikes. Those are the kinds of strikes I want to see.

I know it's early, but right now, I'm not impressed by either Pelf or Lollie. Takahashi, otoh, has piqued my interest. And Mejia looked great - though I still hope they send him down and let him develop properly. Otoh, these being the Mets, they'll find a way to screw him up.

Early bright signs: Mejia, Ike Davis, Takahashi. I'd include Figgy and Misch, but since they don't have big contracts, we know the Mets'll go with the pricey but incompetent veterans when it comes down to setting up the roster.

[sheadenizen]

Perez got hit hard yesterday but like Jerry said, it was about throwing strikes. I hate that rationale. I'd rather him walk five and give up no hits then pitch like he did yesterday.

Chris, agreed. I guess they think we're morons.
Maybe they need to change their mantra a bit...."throw strikes that the batter doesn't clobber." Maybe they need to spell it out.

[Danny]

What's the optimal approach for Jer to take with lollie though? Don't we all kind of agree that he's a mental ninny? If Jer told the media what he really feels, maybe that is worse for lollie. Lollie is like a delicate flower or something. Perhaps Jer thinks the positivity approach will have the best effect. Who the heck knows? Everytime I think of his contract a little part of me dies inside. It was doomed from the start. I'm obviously not a big Jerry guy but I can't really blame him for ANY way that he tries to motivate/prod this guy.

[sheadenizen]

hahaha, Luci. We are on the exact same page.

[sheadenizen]

Danny, you're right regarding lollie's fragile makeup and trying to prop him up. But you think lollie really didn't know he wasn't very good?

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

I wonder if when Jerry finally gets canned if he'll say something to the effects of "we're in a results oriented business and I didn't get the results"? Statements like those from Jerry makes me want to get my fireplace ready for June when I'll be literally and figuratively burning my association with the Mets.

[Danny]

Well sure, lollie knows the results weren't good, but I'm sure Jerry can prop him up with "It's only spring. It's a process. We'll start with throwing strikes and then move on to throwing quality strikes blah blah". Just keep the positivity going and hopefully he responds to it. Omar already effed us all with the contract, but it's on Jerry to try and figure out the best way to get something out of this guy.

[lucienlc]

Well sure, lollie knows the results weren't good, but I'm sure Jerry can prop him up with "It's only spring. It's a process. We'll start with throwing strikes and then move on to throwing quality strikes blah blah". Just keep the positivity going and hopefully he responds to it. Omar already effed us all with the contract, but it's on Jerry to try and figure out the best way to get something out of this guy.

The problem, though, is that the Mets always refuse to eat their mistakes. Other teams, even teams not spelled YANKEES, recognize when they've made a mistake and cut the guy, or give him away. But not the Mets. They'll toss Ollie out there every five days to give up game after game after game for like half a season -- and then they'll move him to the bullpen. But they won't cut him, and they won't trade him.

Or maybe they'll blame his shortcomings on the catcher. He gets paid less, whichever catcher it may be.

[Danny]

The problem, though, is that the Mets always refuse to eat their mistakes. Other teams, even teams not spelled YANKEES, recognize when they've made a mistake and cut the guy, or give him away. But not the Mets. They'll toss Ollie out there every five days to give up game after game after game for like half a season -- and then they'll move him to the bullpen. But they won't cut him, and they won't trade him.

Or maybe they'll blame his shortcomings on the catcher. He gets paid less, whichever catcher it may be.

Totally agree. But that's on Omar/Ownership. Jerry can't help that. His only focus needs to be on trying to get something out of lollie. And we don't really have an abundance of starters to throw out there which could justify giving up on lollie as a starter until he really plays himself out of the role.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Hey, give the Mets SOME credit: we did cut Marlon Anderson last season. A full year after he completely lost effectiveness.

[Joe A.]

Its been a weird spring so far. Nothing has gone right for the major league team, but the prospects are playing so well that it has still been enjoyable

Its silly to worry about someone after 1 spring start, but our season is riding on at least 2 of Pelfrey/Ollie/Maine having good seasons so the overreaction is understandable. I am just as worried about Pelfrey as I am Ollie. At least Ollie has had success at the major league level before, so we know its possible for him to figure it out, at least for a while.

[sheadenizen]

Totally agree. But that's on Omar/Ownership. Jerry can't help that. His only focus needs to be on trying to get something out of lollie. And we don't really have an abundance of starters to throw out there which could justify giving up on lollie as a starter until he really plays himself out of the role.

Yup. We're backed into a corner. Gotta use him. Very few choices at this point. Let's just hope he shows improvement. There is a chance that could happen. Right? Right? Right?

[Joe A.]

In 2006 Ollie went 3-13 with a 6.55 era, then in 2007 he won 15 games with a 3.56 era. So yeah, its possible.

[Dep]

O/U on Kelvim Escobar regular season pitches thrown for the mets this season

i'm make it easy.

ONE

[Joe A.]

Under

[Joe A.]

Hopefully Calero can fill the 8th inning role. Supposedly he's not healthy either though and may not be ready to start the season.

[sheadenizen]

Joe....I happen to be just as worried about Pelfrey as I am about lollie. And Maine goes today, so I guess we'll be able to worry about him too.....lol!. No coverage of the game today...I don't think.

[Joe A.]

With Maine I only worry about his health. When he pitches, he pitches pretty well.

[Danny]

O/U on Kelvim Escobar regular season pitches thrown for the mets this season

i'm make it easy.

ONE

roffelz and criez

[Dep]

Kelvim Escobar (shoulder) halted throwing even on flat ground. "When I tried to throw last week it was weak. It didn't feel right."




at least frankie was cleared to rejoin the team. the whole team will have pink eye a week later

[Lunkwill Fook]

I think Escobar will get hammered in three games in September when he finally comes back from this "minor injury".

[sheadenizen]

With Maine I only worry about his health. When he pitches, he pitches pretty well.

My biggest complaint about Maine is that he has a hard time finishing off batters. Always has....and unfortunately probably always will. By the time he gets into the 4th inning, he's already thrown 100 pitches because 40 have been fouled off. It's a big problem.

[Joe A.]

It's a problem, but I wouldn't call it a big problem, at least not in the context of this rotation.

[Danny]

I agree with Joe that the biggest problem with Maine is his health. He's a quality starter when he's healthy. Of course, his health is a HUGE problem. I would have brought Maine back as well because of that upside, but my God can we just get lucky with someone's health ONCE? For goodness sakes

[Lunkwill Fook]

A problem like that can usually be solved by better pitch selection. How many times did Maine get in those situations and he'd just sit there firing off fastball after fastball? He's much more effective and efficient when he mixes in his offspeed more regularly.

[Lunkwill Fook]

(In other words, it was Omir's fault.)

[Joe A.]

A problem like that can usually be solved by better pitch selection. How many times did Maine get in those situations and he'd just sit there firing off fastball after fastball? He's much more effective and efficient when he mixes in his offspeed more regularly.

It IS Omir's fault! I knew it!

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

A part of me thinks Maine and Ollie were lightning in a bottle in 2007. Maine has had two seasons curtailed for legitimate physical reasons. I'd have to think that his effectiveness starts to go down at some point due to that. Ollie is just the $36MM arm, 36 centavos brain.

[sheadenizen]

(In other words, it was Omir's fault.)

Nothing is Omir's fault. Well at least it wasn't last year. This year......everything will be his fault. His influence will be felt even though he'll be in Buffalo!

[Joe A.]

Can't we talk about something more positive? I like the Olerud comparison for Ike. That woud be nice. The baserunning mistake he made yesterday is a good example of why we need to give all these guys - Ike, F!, Mejia, Thole, etc., more time in the minors though.

[Lunkwill Fook]

A part of me thinks Maine and Ollie were lightning in a bottle in 2007. Maine has had two seasons curtailed for legitimate physical reasons. I'd have to think that his effectiveness starts to go down at some point due to that. Ollie is just the $36MM arm, 36 centavos brain.

Well, the good thing about Maine is that he really hasn't needed any major surgery yet. If he has that, then I'll start worrying about losing effectiveness.

[sheadenizen]

Can't we talk about something more positive? I like the Olerud comparison for Ike. That woud be nice. The baserunning mistake he made yesterday is a good example of why we need to give all these guys - Ike, F!, Mejia, Thole, etc., more time in the minors though.

I pray the mets let all these guys spend time in the minors. I finally feel hopeful about the "farm," If they screw it up, I'll be forced to send Danny to blow up the joint!

[Joe A.]

I pray the mets let all these guys spend time in the minors. I finally feel hopeful about the "farm," If they screw it up, I'll be forced to send Danny to blow up the joint!

I haven't been this excited about the Mets farm system since Generation K. Or maybe even the Jefferies/Magadan/Elster years. Hopefully this group will be little bit better than those 2.

[Rave]

So why was Omir catching Ollie yesterday? I thought it odd even before Ronnie mentioned it.

[Danny]

F!, Mejia and Thole DEFINITELY need more time in the minors and I would be pissed if they didn't get it. I'm worred about first base. If Danny boy keeps sucking and IKE keeps raking, we're going to probably do something dumb there. I would love for IKE to go down and DOMINATE the minors for at least a half season. Hopefully the Jacobs signing ensures that we don't carry IKE right away. Jake kind of sucks too but he's a lightning in the bottle possibility at least.

[Dep]

2013 Starting Lineup

Reyes SS
Havens 2B
DW 3B
IKE 1B
Bay w 1 Knee LF
Fernando RF
CapN CF
Thole C
Death by MEJIA

[Rave]

Also, can we suspend pretending Cora can play SS? I’d like to enjoy these early days of spring before reality has to intrude.

[Danny]

Tejada doesn't really seem like a SS to me either. So I'm not too sure he'd be a valuable utility INF now.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Well, the good thing about Maine is that he really hasn't needed any major surgery yet. If he has that, then I'll start worrying about losing effectiveness.

I tend to think that with pitchers even the effects from minor injuries can get amplified over time if the injury causes a change in their mechanics. Just given that pitching requires a lot of repetition where small flaws get exposed again and again. Obviously you want to avoid the big injuries like Tommy John but who knows what the trainers and god forbid Warthen have told Maine to alter in order to avoid re-stressing his injured body parts.

[Joe A.]

Love that lineup Danny. Although I think I would hit F! 2nd and Havens 7th.

Those guys could all be ready to go by 2012, too.

[Danny]

That was Deppers but that lineup l;ooks neat to me, too. I think Havens blows up this year. CapN is the true wildcard to me in that lineup. There are so many possibilities with him.

[Dep]

wOBA gives Reese much love for last year

[Joe A.]

2010 Buffalo lineup:

Tejada SS
Thole C
F! CF
Ike 1B
Carter LF
Evans RF
Coste DH
Bowman 3B
AHern 2B

I think I would rather watch that team in AAA than watch the Mets this season.

[Rave]

Having Reyes leading off is a little bit of a pipe dream as well.

If he misses a lot of time this year, I doubt they'll pick up his '11 option.

[sheadenizen]

Tejada doesn't really seem like a SS to me either. So I'm not too sure he'd be a valuable utility INF now.

I thought I read that Tejada was being groomed to play 2nd. Is this correct?

[Joe A.]

Unless Reyes gets an HGH suspension I don't see him missing any time this year.

[Danny]

I thought I read that Tejada was being groomed to play 2nd. Is this correct?

Yeah, the problem for me is that he doesn't seem like an everyday player to me so I was hoping for a utility infielder at least.

[Joe A.]

I thought I read that Tejada was being groomed to play 2nd. Is this correct?

I haven't heard that. You may be thinking of Havens. He just moved from SS to 2B over the offseason.

[Joe A.]

Is there a good set-up guy we could land in exhange for Parnell and Tejada?

[Rave]

I haven't seen Tejada play since the WBC, but most scouting reports have him as a a good SS.

KG


He's a fundamentally sound fielder with good range and instincts, and he has a solid arm.

[sheadenizen]

I haven't heard that. You may be thinking of Havens. He just moved from SS to 2B over the offseason.

I know Reese Havens is playing 2nd. I didn't mix up the two, but it's not important.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Can he at least walk up and down the dugout stairs without hurting himself?

[sheadenizen]

I was very annoyed with Lupica's column yesterday. I usually don't care what any of these guys write, but I thought this was irresponsible. For those who didn't read it, he seemed to be implying that Reyes' thyroid problem was a result of taking HGH....although he kept saying this is not what he was implying and was hoping he was wrong.

[Joe A.]

I didn't read Lupica's columb, but that was my first reaction when I heard about the Thyroid thing.

[Danny]

Ehh, I think Tejada's arm is average at best. He has good hands but his range and arm look questionable from my viewpoint. So I would like him as a second baseman, but how much will he hit.

He's not Jose Coronado at short, that's for sure. Of course Coronado couldn't hit the broad side of the barn.

[Joe A.]

And Craig Carton was saying the same thing this morning on WFAN. He was actually a lot more direct about it than it sounds like Lupica was though.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Either I've been numbed by the PED scandals or I'm sticking my head in the sand, but I think thyroid problems are naturally occurring enough that it didn't really rouse that much suspicion. But this coming on the heels of his "chat" with the FBI, gives the MEDIA a very easy ball with which to run.

[Chris in Ga]

Honestly, I think it's time to trade tejada. I have been rather unimpressed and see why scouting services like bp think of him as nothing more than a bench player. His skill set begs for him to be able to take a walk. He is a younger Anderson hernandez with less range

[Danny]

Wouldn't HGH be used to improve thyroid efficiency? I don't see how we can carelessly link it to thyroid imbalance. If anything it would be used to correct that problem, no?

[Danny]

Honestly, I think it's time to trade tejada. I have been rather unimpressed and see why scouting services like bp think of him as nothing more than a bench player. His skill set begs for him to be able to take a walk. He is a younger Anderson hernandez with less range

Yep Chris, that's my take on him too at this point.

[Joe A.]

paraphrasing Carton this morning:

The dr. Reyes and Beltran went to see in Canada advertises on his website that he offers HGH treatments and that he was connected to BALCO (or one of the other doctors in his group was).

THe blood spinning thing he does is offered at every hospital in the US.

There is therefore no reason anybody would go there from the US except to get HGH.

And HGH use is know to affect the thyroid.

[sheadenizen]

Guess no one wants to deal with that.....we stopped the conversation, Joe. LOL!

[Athena]

Wouldn't HGH be used to improve thyroid efficiency? I don't see how we can carelessly link it to thyroid imbalance. If anything it would be used to correct that problem, no?

I didn't read the article, but I think the concern is that it created an imbalance as a side effect, so it showed up in the blood test.

Similar to testosterone levels being seen as a flag for steroids.

I don't think it's true, mind you. But I see how the tale can be spun.

[sheadenizen]

Yep Chris, that's my take on him too at this point.

If you guys think very little of Tejada, why do you think anyone would want him in a trade?

[Dep]

Tejada took a HUUUUUUGE step forward though as a 19-year old in the eastern league.

I'm not ready to move him and frankly i find the negativity on him ridiculous. he's 19

[Chris in Ga]

2011 has to be a transition year. Where we start seeing guys like Davis, mejia and f! Start to assert themselves as regular contributors. This is niese's year to assert himself. Btw, loved the interview with niese about who taught him the cutter. It was Ricky bones. I honestly think he is the pitching coach in waiting.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

The thought process of these guys astounds me sometimes.

Just because it's offered everywhere doesn't mean some places have more experience or have specialized in it more than others.

[Dep]

or maybe he's 20 now

whateverz. my point remains

[Danny]

I didn't read the article, but I think the concern is that it created an imbalance as a side effect, so it showed up in the blood test.

Similar to testosterone levels being seen as a flag for steroids.

I don't think it's true, mind you. But I see how the tale can be spun.

What is that opinion based on though? Any doctors expressing this concern? Any studies out there that make this link? Or is it just speculation?

[Joe A.]

HGH is used to treat thyroid imbalances when the problem is decreased thyroid production. Just google HGH and Thyroid and you get sites advertising that treatment.

So to me, it makes perfect sense that if you take it when you have a normal thyroid, it could cause an over-active thryoid. But that is just my interpretation.

[sheadenizen]

The thought process of these guys astounds me sometimes.

Just because it's offered everywhere doesn't mean some places don't have more experience or have specialized in it more than others.

You can get heart surgery in 100's of hospitals but you damn well sure would go to Cleveland Clinic if it was you or a loved one. So just because "everyone" does certain things doesn't mean they do them well. It's a ridiculous rationale.

[Danny]

or maybe he's 20 now

whateverz. my point remains

I didn't want to trade him myself, I was agreeing on the part about how I understood the negative scouting reports now. To me, his only upside is as an everyday second baseman, and he's pretty small so he's going to have to hit for a very high average and have really good plate discipline in order to be valuable. That's certainly possible but his prospects have really lessened for me.

[Danny]

Of course we could just give Tejada some of that Reyes HGH and VOILA we got a SS prospect yall!

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

You can get heart surgery in 100's of hospitals but you damn well sure would go to Cleveland Clinic if it was you or a loved one. So just because "everyone" does certain things doesn't mean they do them well. It's a ridiculous rationale.

Yeah that was my point. Did it not read that way?

[sheadenizen]

Yeah that was my point. Did it not read that way?

Yup! I agreed with you and was proving your point!

[Chris in Ga]

I say trade tejada because this is the best he will ever be viewed. He is an over achiever right now. Greg veloz his ass to Washington

[Dep]

I didn't want to trade him myself, I was agreeing on the part about how I understood the negative scouting reports now. To me, his only upside is as an everyday second baseman, and he's pretty small so he's going to have to hit for a very high average and have really good plate discipline in order to be valuable. That's certainly possible but his prospects have really lessened for me.

Tis true, but i still am bullish on his utility infielder possibilities. We dealt with Alex Cora we can deal with Ruben Tejada even if he's not a great SS cuz he'll be making 2M pesos not dollars!

at least Tejada's skills are the ones more easily translatable to the majors. BA, D and speed. he does need to learn to take walks more, but i think he will.

[Joe A.]

You can get heart surgery in 100's of hospitals but you damn well sure would go to Cleveland Clinic if it was you or a loved one. So just because "everyone" does certain things doesn't mean they do them well. It's a ridiculous rationale.

Except the blood spinning thing is supposedly a very simple thing that doesn't even need to be done by a doctor.

I don't want to believe any of this crap either, but I don't think its unreasonable at all to make the connection.

[Dep]

I say trade tejada because this is the best he will ever be viewed. He is an over achiever right now. Greg veloz his ass to Washington

that's fair if you want to sell high.

gotta show me what we can get for him. Lance Broadway part 2 aint worth it IMO.

[Athena]

What is that opinion based on though? Any doctors expressing this concern? Any studies out there that make this link? Or is it just speculation?

No Danny. I'm not aware of any really credible source, but I haven't looked for one. Seems like a fishing expedition to me. Someone connecting the dots on a few know factors to trump up a story.

This is the type of story that I routinely ignore until there is some really concrete evidence. I think it will blow over. At least I hope so!

[Chris in Ga]

I guess my problem with tejada isn't with him, it's how he is viewed.

[sheadenizen]

No Danny. I'm not aware of any really credible source, but I haven't looked for one. Seems like a fishing expedition to me. Someone connecting the dots on a few know factors to trump up a story.

This is the type of story that I routinely ignore until there is some really concrete evidence. I think it will blow over. At least I hope so!

I certainly ignore them, but for some reason Lupica's column caught me unaware. I normally wouldn't even read Lupica, but the headline caught my eye....although I don't recall it prcisely at the moment.

[Chris in Ga]

I also wanted to use the phrase "Greg veloz his ass" once

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Except the blood spinning thing is supposedly a very simple thing that doesn't even need to be done by a doctor.

I don't want to believe any of this crap either, but I don't think its unreasonable at all to make the connection.

True true, I can see why the talking heads would make such a claim. But the combo of this canuck doctor and the thyroid issue is just too meaty of a potential PED scandal for the media to blow out of proportion. And suspected recoveries from injuries via HGH make much better press than admitted recoveries via HGH (Dandy Andy).

[Athena]

I certainly ignore them, but for some reason Lupica's column caught me unaware. I normally wouldn't even read Lupica, but the headline caught my eye....although I don't recall it prcisely at the moment.

Oh. I didn't mean it in quite that context. I meant that I'm not going to get too worried or try to dissect it too much, since there isn't any information.

I have no issues with people finding it an irritating article. And you prefaced your original comment that way.

[Joe A.]

All I know is that Alex Cora at SS for 50 games this year is a scary thought.

[Danny]

My medical opinion is that Reyes eats to much rice in his diet.

[Chris in Ga]

Just know now that figs, taka and/or niese will be screwed of a spot on the team to keep Ollie, green and Parnell on this team

[Dep]

I also wanted to use the phrase "Greg veloz his ass" once

hahahaha

[Athena]

My medical opinion is that Reyes eats to much rice in his diet.

Really? I've always thought that it might be the cold cereal. A lot of that stuff is pretty empty calories. Too much sugar.

But I suppose experts are entitled to disagree.

[Dep]

Figz is definitely getting screwed

[Danny]

At least Lupica not so subtlely threw A-Rod under the HGH bus too in that article. No one is safe!

[Danny]

Really? I've always thought that it might be the cold cereal. A lot of that stuff is pretty empty calories. Too much sugar.

But I suppose experts are entitled to disagree.

roffelz

[Dep]

Maybe y'all will like the Klapisch Reyes article from Friday/Saturday better.

that one Klap tried to be nice but basically implied that Reyes is too much of a simpleton to be using HGH

[Danny]

Figz is so perfect for a bullpen with so many specialists too. With his rubber arm and nondiva-ness he could eat up so many unwanted innings this year. Great glue arm but we're dumb.

[Dep]

yup, and he's fine versus lefties once thru the order.

[Chris in Ga]

Lunch!

[Athena]

Maybe y'all will like the Klapisch Reyes article from Friday/Saturday better.

that one Klap tried to be nice but basically implied that Reyes is too much of a simpleton to be using HGH

Haha! Now THAT'S more like it!! :)

(Note: I love the word simpleton. We don't see enough of it these days.)

[sheadenizen]

So true.....

Here we go again. It's college basketball season. Conference tournaments, bubble teams, selection shows, and bracket filling office pools. And now the NCAA is making noise about increasing the number of teams in the tournament. What's the point of that? Since a 16th seed has never beaten a #1 seed, what's going to happen when the lousier teams get it? Oh, what's the point? Hey, this is sports, and specifically college sports. The point is money.

[Dep]

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/030610_Klapisch_Jose_Reyes_facing_the_unknown_with _thyroid_imbalance.html

that's the Klap piece

[sheadenizen]

Haha! Now THAT'S more like it!! :)

(Note: I love the word simpleton. We don't see enough of it these days.)

is it politically correct or will Sarah Palin beat down your door?>

[sheadenizen]

Lunch!

Lunch? Aren't you in the same time zone as me? :)

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Lunch!

Did GA spring an hour ahead already?

[sheadenizen]

All I could get was a PC Richard ad that wouldn't let me close it.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Ooh, Shea and I thinking very alike today.

[sheadenizen]

Lunch? Aren't you in the same time zone as me? :)

Can I correct myself? I believe that should read as I....not me. But the premise stands!

[sheadenizen]

And we do have a meeting of the minds today, MFSB.

[lucienlc]

Re Reyes and HGH: Obviously, none of you were listening last week to Joe B on WFAN when the story broke. He talked about a possible HGH connection the entire bloody time.

You can get a hyeractive thyroid from diet, btw, though I don't think that's the usual reason. But too much iodine in the diet can cause it (liver, seaweed).

I was under the impression that the blood-spinning thing was more specialized, and that this guy in Toronto was renowned for it.

Re Lollie, Pelf and Maine: I agree that Maine's problems have been mainly physical, whereas Ollie's and maybe Pelf's have been head issues. The depressing thing is hearing a few days ago from Mets' analysts that they felt that Pelf and Ollie were both ahead of Maine this spring. Sure couldn't tell that from the first starts so far.

The farm has been amazingly encouraging, though, for the first time in a long time.

I hope we don't give away good or potentially good pitchers to keep clunkers, just because we're paying them more. But we probably will.

[Rave]

Omir Santos for Dee Gordon!

Omir Santos for Ivan de Jesus?

Fine. Omir for Chin lung-Hu

[Dep]

Mets vs Marlins - 3/8/10 - 1:05 pm
No lineup yet.

Expected to Pitch:

John Maine
Pedro Feliciano
Ryota Igarashi
Jenrry Mejia
RA Dickey
Tobi Stoner .

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

And we do have a meeting of the minds today, MFSB.

What am I thinking about right now?

[Dep]

Giants Expected To Consider Jeff Garcia
8th March, 2010 - 7:02 am
New York Daily News - The Giants lost backup quarterback David Carr to the 49ers on Sunday and they are expected to look at veteran options.

According to the New York Daily News, the Giants will consider veterans Jeff Garcia and Mark Brunell as well as longtime Colts reserve Jim Sorgi.

[Joe A.]

Neise might be the one that gets screwed since he has options left. I could see them giving Nieve the 5th starter job, Figgy the long relief job and maybe Takahashi the 2nd lefty spot. So:

KRod
Pedro2
Igarashi
Green
Parnell
Takahashi
Figgy

That only works if Calero and Escobar both start the season on the DL. There really is no need for, or room for, both Green and Parnell. One is enough.

[Dep]

bwahahahahah, the jets restructured Cromartie's deal to get him a 500K signing bonus cuz he needs it to pay off his baby mamas

oy!

[lucienlc]

Re blood-spinning, and the commonness vs cutting edge contradiction: apparently, the procedure itself has been around since the 1970s. But it was originally used by orthopedists to help heal broken bones. The use of it to heal tendon/ligament type injuries in athletes in order to avoid surgery is apparently a lot newer -- like, within the last year or so. That's how I suppose it can both be common, and yet uncommon (in terms of doctors who specialize in using it to help injured athletes, as opposed to its more customary traditional use in bone-healing). Maybe. ?????

[sheadenizen]

I'm a huge Figgz fan. I know he's not the best and won't ever be, but I like the guy...I like his intelligence, his attitiude, his fortitude, his competence et al. And he doesn't cost enough. That's probably enough to doom him from the Mets.

[Joe A.]

You sound like a defense lawyer Luc. But that sounds plausible.

[sheadenizen]

What am I thinking about right now?

You're wondering what dep is going to have for lunch. Right?

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

You're wondering what dep is going to have for lunch. Right?

Nah, I stole his lunch money after I beat him up on the XBox playground.

[lucienlc]

Neise might be the one that gets screwed since he has options left. I could see them giving Nieve the 5th starter job, Figgy the long relief job and maybe Takahashi the 2nd lefty spot. So:

KRod
Pedro2
Igarashi
Green
Parnell
Takahashi
Figgy

That only works if Calero and Escobar both start the season on the DL. There really is no need for, or room for, both Green and Parnell. One is enough.

Parnell still has options, doesn't he? They could send him down if he's not performing. Fine by me.

Much as I'd like to see Niese as the fifth starter (heck, based on the way he pitched the other day, if he keeps that up, I'd like to see him as the 2d starter), I won't have a problem if they send him down to maintain pitcher flexibiliity and future options and give the fifth spot to Takahashi or Nieve (assuming they continue to perform well). That way, when Ollie sucks to pieces (or Pelf does, or Maine does or someone gets injured), we can bring Niese up. And we don't lose Taka/Nieve/Figgy.

I suspect Calero and Escobar do start on the DL. I don't get the impression either is anywhere near ready.

If Green isn't performing, I hope they'll get rid of him, esp if the others are out-pitching him. He isn't that well paid, is he? I'd rather keep Nieve.

It's way too soon to be making these evals, but based on performance so far, I'd keep Nieve, Takahashi and Figgy.

[sheadenizen]

I do think Niese will get the 5th starter job unless he totally does a reversal from his opening performance.
I really don't like parnell or green. they both make me want to rip my hair out watching them.

[lucienlc]

You sound like a defense lawyer Luc. But that sounds plausible.

(chuckle) Funny you say that, because I am a lawyer, Joe. I just got very confuzzled, reading articles about that doctor's "cutting edge" procedure, and yet reading elsewhere about how it's been around a long time. Then I read an article from last February about how it's newly being applied to athletic injuries that traditionally required surgery. Hence, my above post.

Then you wouldn't go to just any hospital or doctor -- you'd go to one of the doctors who's experienced in using this on pro athletes.

[lucienlc]

I do think Niese will get the 5th starter job unless he totally does a reversal from his opening performance.
I really don't like parnell or green. they both make me want to rip my hair out watching them.

You and me both, Shea. I think Parnell might still be salvageable -- I'd send him down for more seasoning. Too soon to know if they've ruined him completely. But Green -- foggetdaboutit.

[Chris in Ga]

On Mondays I take an early lunch and go to the chiropractor. Haven't changed time zones

[sheadenizen]

On Mondays I take an early lunch and go to the chiropractor. Haven't changed time zones
Just wanted to let you know I keep track of Chris. Not sure if that's good or bad.....:)

[Ramon Suarez]

Taka/Nieve/Figgy is a great combination in the pen. I don't understand why we couldn't just use them in that capacity for the whole season.

[Chris in Ga]

I don't think Parnell is ruined and I think he is a better pitcher than he was last spring. The league knows he has one pitch. He reminds me so much of Braden looper when he was coming up. Braden found success once he complimented his fb with a slider and took the velocity of his fb down, creating movement. Parnell needs time in the minors, as a reliever

[sheadenizen]

Taka/Nieve/Figgy is a great combination in the pen. I don't understand why we couldn't just use them in that capacity for the whole season.

Because it makes too much sense, Ramon.

[sheadenizen]

I don't think Parnell is ruined and I think he is a better pitcher than he was last spring. The league knows he has one pitch. He reminds me so much of Braden looper when he wad coming up. Braden found success once he complimented his fb with a slider and took the velocity of his fb down, creating movement. Parnell needs time in the minors, as a reliever

2 words...Dave Duncan!

[Joe A.]

I don't think Parnell is ruined and I think he is a better pitcher than he was last spring. The league knows he has one pitch. He reminds me so much of Braden looper when he wad coming up. Braden found success once he complimented his fb with a slider and took the velocity of his fb down, creating movement. Parnell needs time in the minors, as a reliever

Its pretty rare to send someone back to the minors after a full season in the majors. It makes sense, but I doubt the Mets go that route.

[Chris in Ga]

Dave Duncan made him a starter but wasn't involved in what I'm alluding too. Looper had no business ever being a closer. He was a good set up guy with fla. He didn't have the mentality for closing

[Danny]

The encouraging thing is that Parnell's fastball has some sink when hes not overthrowing it (like he did when he hit 100 in Boston). I like the idea of sending him down for some seasoning as a reliever but like Joe said I can't see the Mets actually going that route.,

[Joe A.]

Taka/Nieve/Figgy is a great combination in the pen. I don't understand why we couldn't just use them in that capacity for the whole season.

We could, but then Green or Parnell has to go. And they would both have to go if Escobar or Calero makes it back.

[Ramon Suarez]

I hope we don't waste any more time on Sean Green, Shea. It doesn't make sense to keep another ROOGY in the pen with Figgy being wasted in AAA.

[Danny]

That's if Figgy accepts the assignment. He'll probably move on if he doesn't make the team, right?

[sheadenizen]

That's if Figgy accepts the assignment. He'll probably move on if he doesn't make the team, right?

That would be my guess, Danny. It's hard for me to believe someone wouldn't pick him up. He's proved his worth time and time again.
And Ramon...I would drop Green faster than a hot potato. Just let him go. What is he making?

[Joe A.]

That's if Figgy accepts the assignment. He'll probably move on if he doesn't make the team, right?

If he's offered a major league job somewhere else for sure. Otherwise he could go to AAA since he knows with the state of our pitching staff, this might be his best bet to get back to get called up.

[lucienlc]

That's if Figgy accepts the assignment. He'll probably move on if he doesn't make the team, right?

That's assuming someone else wants him and makes an offer. Last year, I think he tried to test free agency after he was DFAed, but nothing happened and he came back to the Mets. You'd think that someone would figure out that he's a solid, if unspectacular rubber arm, but it hasn't happened yet. I think the Mets just take him too much for granted. And take for granted that they're the only team who wants him. So far, they've been right. But will it always be that way?

Taka has always been a starter. Could he be a reliever for us, maybe the 8th inning guy? Maybe. Who knows. The thing about yesterday is that he was dominating lefties and righties.

[Chris in Ga]

We can always Nancy Kerrigan green or Greg veloz his ass to washington

[sheadenizen]

Mr. Gilhooley. Paging Mr. Gilhooly.Please pick up the nearest courtesy phone!

[Ramon Suarez]

Green made 479,000 dollars in 2009 Shea.

[Ramon Suarez]

That's assuming someone else wants him and makes an offer. Last year, I think he tried to test free agency after he was DFAed, but nothing happened and he came back to the Mets. You'd think that someone would figure out that he's a solid, if unspectacular rubber arm, but it hasn't happened yet. I think the Mets just take him too much for granted. And take for granted that they're the only team who wants him. So far, they've been right. But will it always be that way?

Taka has always been a starter. Could he be a reliever for us, maybe the 8th inning guy? Maybe. Who knows. The thing about yesterday is that he was dominating lefties and righties.


Taka should be used in a Darren Oliver capacity in my opinion. The thing with him, like with Oliver, is that he does better against righties, in his case because of the changeup.

[Ramon Suarez]

My bad. It was 471 K for Green in 2009.

[Joe A.]

I'm a little bitter that Keith Law said Green was good when we traded for him.

Parnell is young, healthy and throws hard. He's worth trying to get straightened out. Green, not so much,

[Dep]

I'm a little bitter that Keith Law said Green was good when we traded for him.



hahaha, me too. i think about that him saying that allll the time when we poop on green

[Ramon Suarez]

The FO falls in love with quirky relievers like Green--remember Joe Smith and Chad Bradford? They always have overvalued guys like him and tried to used them in situational roles. The problem with this plan, among many, is that it depends on a strong overall pen of guys who can crossover. It depends on our LOOGY being healthy and effective. But guys, especially Feliciano, get hurt....the whole structure of the pen goes out of wack and Green's value is compromised.

[Chris in Ga]

Darren Oliver doesn't throw a change.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Maybe if they also got more effective innings out of their starting rotation they'd lessen the burden on the pen.

[Ramon Suarez]

Hm...




Report: Iverson facing trouble

Multiple NBA sources say Allen Iverson is facing alcohol and gambling issues that have derailed his career and threaten his post-basketball well-being, Stephen A. Smith of the Philadelphia Inquirer reports in a column published Monday.

According to multiple NBA sources, there is widespread concern that the four-time NBA scoring champion, who left the Philadelphia 76ers in February to deal with his daughter's illness and will not return this season, "will either drink himself into oblivion or gamble his life away," Smith reported.

Iverson's gambling problem is serious enough that he has been banished from casinos in Detroit and Atlantic City, N.J., according to Smith.

The report comes as Iverson is dealing with significant personal problems.

Iverson's wife Tawana filed for divorce on March 4, the same day the Philadelphia 76ers announced that the All-Star guard would not return for the rest of the season. In the divorce filing, made at Fulton County Superior Court in Atlanta, Tawana Iverson said the couple's 8½-year marriage is "irretrievably broken" and sought full custody of the family's five children, child support and alimony.

Iverson, who played 25 games for the Sixers this season, returned to Atlanta in February to be with his family and deal with an undisclosed illness affecting his 4-year-old daughter, Messiah.

Smith, who has covered Iverson closely for years, wrote in Monday's column that Iverson needs someone with "the ideal combination of compassion and toughness" in his life. And former Temple coach John Chaney said that person is John Thompson, Iverson's former college coach at Georgetown.

"[Thompson] is the one guy who'll have a chance of slowing this train wreck down, who could wrap his arms around Iverson and have an impact, because clearly it has not been done," Chaney said, according to Smith. "But there's still this one question: Will [Iverson] listen?"

Iverson started the season with the Memphis Grizzlies but only played three games, amid disagreements over playing time, before announcing a short-lived retirement. He signed the 76ers as a free agent in December, making a tearful return to the city where he spent his first 10½ seasons, won four scoring titles, earned the 2000-01 MVP award and led the Sixers to the 2001 NBA Finals.

Iverson was traded to the Denver Nuggets in 2006 and played for the Nuggets through 2008, when he was dealt to the Detroit Pistons.

[Ramon Suarez]

Darren Oliver doesn't throw a change.

That's why I wrote about Taka using the change.

[Chris in Ga]

Iverson owes me fifty thousand

[Ramon Suarez]

Good luck with that.

[Ellis Dee]

The FO falls in love with quirky relievers like Green--remember Joe Smith and Chad Bradford? They always have overvalued guys like him and tried to used them in situational roles. The problem with this plan, among many, is that it depends on a strong overall pen of guys who can crossover. It depends on our LOOGY being healthy and effective. But guys, especially Feliciano, get hurt....the whole structure of the pen goes out of wack and Green's value is compromised.

True, it also depends on having a manager who knows what a ROOGY is and how to use him!

[sheadenizen]

Trade Green or DFA him. If he doen't pass through waivers....too bad. so sad! But the mets will hold on to him. Rest assured!!

[sheadenizen]

Maybe if they also got more effective innings out of their starting rotation they'd lessen the burden on the pen.

MFSB...please. You know it will be just fine.
The "Throw Strikes" mantra will change the whole mentality of the starting pitchers. Theyll be going way into the 7th. Ye of little faith!

[Ramon Suarez]

MFSB...please. You know it will be just fine.
The "Throw Strikes" mantra will change the whole mentality of the starting pitchers. Theyll be going way into the 7th. Ye of little faith!

No, Shea. It will be the excellent job of framing pitches from Blanco and Barajas which makes the difference!

[Ramon Suarez]

FYI, if you are unemployed right now Tom DeLay argues its because you want to be unemployed.


Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay called Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.) "brave" on Sunday for launching a one-man filibuster of unemployment benefits, arguing that they dissuaded people from going out and finding work.

Appearing on CNN's "State of the Union," the Texas Republican said that Bunning's fiscal responsibility was commendable, even if his shenanigans (refusing to allow unemployment benefits to be considered by unanimous consent) nearly brought the Senate to a halt.

"Nothing would have happened if the Democrats had just paid for [the benefits]," Delay said. "People would have gotten their unemployment compensation. I think Bunning was brave in standing up there and taking it on by himself."

Asked whether it was bad strategy to make a budget stand on a $10 billion extension of unemployment (as opposed to, say, the Bush's $720 billion prescription drug package), Delay insisted that if the PR had been done right, Bunning would have been applauded. Helping the unemployed with federal assistance, he said, was unsound policy.

"You know," Delay said, "there is an argument to be made that these extensions, the unemployment benefits keeps people from going and finding jobs. In fact there are some studies that have been done that show people stay on unemployment compensation and they don't look for a job until two or three weeks before they know the benefits are going to run out.

Host Candy Crowley: Congressman, that's a hard sell, isn't it?

Delay: it's the truth.

Crowley: People are unemployed because they want to be?

Delay: well, it is the truth. and people in the real world know it. And they have friends and they know it. Sure, we ought to be helping people that are unemployed find a job, but we also have budget considerations that are incredibly important, especially now that Obama is spending monies that we don't have.

[sheadenizen]

No, Shea. It will be the excellent job of framing pitches from Blanco and Barajas which makes the difference!

oy vey!

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

MFSB...please. You know it will be just fine.
The "Throw Strikes" mantra will change the whole mentality of the starting pitchers. Theyll be going way into the 7th. Ye of little faith!

STOP BUTCHERING MY ABBREVIATION :p

K THX

[sheadenizen]

Ramon, stuff like that makes me crazy. I'm going to choose to ignore DeLay and Bunning. Even the republicans want Bunning out. It just goes to show how out of touch DeLay is. It's truly pathetic!

[Squadron Nye]

The FO falls in love with quirky relievers like Green--remember Joe Smith and Chad Bradford? They always have overvalued guys like him and tried to used them in situational roles. The problem with this plan, among many, is that it depends on a strong overall pen of guys who can crossover. It depends on our LOOGY being healthy and effective. But guys, especially Feliciano, get hurt....the whole structure of the pen goes out of wack and Green's value is compromised.

bradford went on to have a couple decent seasons after 06 IIRC

[Ramon Suarez]

Ramon, stuff like that makes me crazy. I'm going to choose to ignore DeLay and Bunning. Even the republicans want Bunning out. It just goes to show how out of touch DeLay is. It's truly pathetic!


Shea, my favorite part of this whole hypocrisy is the fact that Republicans in Congress like DeLay and Bunning voted over and over again with Bush II to squander the federal surplus accumulated during the Clinton years. Now they are fiscally conservative, but ONLY when it comes to subsidizing health care, unemployment, public education, etc. I mean, god forbid if Obama were ever to trim the military budget in equal measure since it is a large drain on our national budget with a host of contracts and programs that are never completed. What a sad joke.

[Squadron Nye]

Delay: well, it is the truth. and people in the real world know it. And they have friends and they know it. Sure, we ought to be helping people that are unemployed find a job, but we also have budget considerations that are incredibly important, especially now that Obama is spending monies that we don't have.

I love that when people are talking about how much money obama spends they act as if this runaway spending just happened. Uhh I'm pretty sure a republican administration presided over the largest expansion in government in 5 decades just oh I dunno TWO years ago!!!

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

I love that when people are talking about how much money obama spends they act as if this runaway spending just happened. Uhh I'm pretty sure a republican administration presided over the largest expansion in government in 5 decades just oh I dunno TWO years ago!!!

Yeah but they like to trim that down to the post-2006 congress after the GOP got their clocks cleaned in the 2nd mid-term elections.

[Squadron Nye]

Could that Klapisch be anymore patronizing? When did Reyes become Lenny from death of a salesmen

[Ramon Suarez]

The Republican Party is straight up gangsterish.

The Democratic Party is straight up wanksterish.

[Squadron Nye]

Yeah but they like to trim that down to the post-2006 congress after the GOP got their clocks cleaned in the 2nd mid-term elections.

my favorite bit on the daily show is when they show an impassioned speech against something then show the same congressmen taking the exact opposite stance a few years ago. He does it about twice or three times a week. Both sides are eminently guilty of doing it. Politicians have no shame because they're never (or rarely) called out on such blatant public hypocrisy

[Lunkwill Fook]

Sadly, Ramon, DeLay is not the first conservative to say that in response to Bunning. Most, however, have the good sense to be ashamed of him.

[Squadron Nye]

Could that Klapisch be anymore patronizing? When did Reyes become Lenny from death of a salesmen

The book is "Of mice and Men" you uncouth dope

[Ramon Suarez]

To the Democratic Party:


You said you a gangsta
But you neva pop nuttin
We say you a wanksta
And you need to stop frontin'
You go to the dealership
But you neva cop nuttin'
You been hustlin a long tyme
And you ain't got nuttin

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

my favorite bit on the daily show is when they show an impassioned speech against something then show the same congressmen taking the exact opposite stance a few years ago. He does it about twice or three times a week. Both sides are eminently guilty of doing it. Politicians have no shame because they're never (or rarely) called out on such blatant public hypocrisy

We had a similar discussion at work a few weeks ago. How many people really know what where their local and federal congressmen stand on issues no mater how large or small? I'll be honest, I don't. There's a reason you see senators and congressmen getting re-elected time and time again, and it's not because they're doing a good job.

[Ramon Suarez]

We had a similar discussion at work a few weeks ago. How many people really know what where their local and federal congressmen stand on issues no mater how large or small? I'll be honest, I don't. There's a reason you see senators and congressmen getting re-elected time and time again, and it's not because they're doing a good job.

Just to add to that. How many people actually consider voting for a candidate who isn't a member of the one party in power, the Republicratic Party? Most people are so against the tide of political opinion in both parties in Washington in the polls regarding a host of issues from financial reform, to healthcare, etc. that its a crime that people either just vote for the same one party or don't vote at all.

[sheadenizen]

The book is "Of mice and Men" you uncouth dope

I didn't want to hurt your feelings! Good catch!

[Chris in Ga]

Rubins notes. Inserting the interesting


Parnell and Green have minor-league options

Fernando Tatis' left knee is bothering him. He indicated he doesn't need to see a doctor or require tests. "Not a big deal," Tatis said. ... Also, Nick Evans has a forearm strain, but he's due to resume throwing tomorrow. ... Josh Fogg (side muscle) was to get on a mound today for the first time in more than a week too.




ohn Maine's start this afternoon against the Marlins won't be as long the other starters, who have been going three innings and 45 pitches. Pitching coach Dan Warthen said he wants to "baby" Maine a little bit. Warthen wondered whether he worked Maine a little too hard last spring training coming off surgery.



Ya think Warthen?

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Just to add to that. How many people actually consider voting for a candidate who isn't a member of the one party in power, the Republicratic Party? Most people are so against the tide of political opinion in both parties in Washington in the polls regarding a host of issues from financial reform, to healthcare, etc. that its a crime that people either just vote for the same one party or don't vote at all.

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Why can't Tatis be implicated (by way of questionable logic) to the blood spinning doctor?

[Squadron Nye]

I didn't want to hurt your feelings! Good catch!

:) The minute I wrote it Willy Loman hit me upside the head

[sheadenizen]

We had a similar discussion at work a few weeks ago. How many people really know what where their local and federal congressmen stand on issues no mater how large or small? I'll be honest, I don't. There's a reason you see senators and congressmen getting re-elected time and time again, and it's not because they're doing a good job.

Even sadder, I bet many more people then we care to acknowledge CAN't EVEN NAME their congressperson or senators.
I get a newsletter every month ( via email) from my congressman about what's going on and where he stands on those particular issues.

[Chris in Ga]

Nick evans got injured? It couldn't have been baseball related since he doesn't ever get used.

[Squadron Nye]

oh shit I completely forgot we signed Fogg.

[Chris in Ga]

I can't name my congressman cause he resigned and no one hasbeen appointed

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

I wonder how soon people in NY will have to re-learn the name of their guh-venah.

[sheadenizen]

Nick evans got injured? It couldn't have been baseball related since he doesn't ever get used.

I swear I wrote that....and then deleted it for whatever reason.

[sheadenizen]

I can't name my congressman cause he resigned and no one hasbeen appointed

apply for the job chris. you said you'd like to change jobs! I have faith you could certainly handle it.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

apply for the job chris. you said you'd like to change jobs! I have faith you could certainly handle it.

Outlaw Braves broadcasts where you live. Put it in the fine print of your campaign notes. That'll put our theory to test of how little people know about their congressional reps.

[Squadron Nye]

I find bruce sutton enchanting

[sheadenizen]

Here's a question. I could look it up but someone may know. After Spitzer resigned and paterson took over...did they appoint a new Lt. Gov.? Otherwise, who takes over if paterson has to resign?

[sheadenizen]

There's no coverage of today's game...is there?

[Athena]

The book is "Of mice and Men" you uncouth dope

hahaha! That's telling 'em! :)

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

There's no coverage of today's game...is there?

If there's no Omir-acle inside the park granny then it really isn't worth watching.

[sheadenizen]

If there's no Omir-acle inside the park granny then it really isn't worth watching.

But how do we know that if we can't watch?

[Squadron Nye]

That left fielder needs to do extra laps. That ball was playable.

[sheadenizen]

Guess no one knew the answer to the NY governor question...huh? Guess I'll have to google it.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

But how do we know that if we can't watch?

Unless they've moved in the sidewalls and booby trapped the outfield, I doubt it happens again.

[sheadenizen]

Rollins...lead off HR against vasquez!

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Rollins...lead off HR against vasquez!

THE TEAM TO BEAT

[Squadron Nye]

Here's a question. I could look it up but someone may know. After Spitzer resigned and paterson took over...did they appoint a new Lt. Gov.? Otherwise, who takes over if paterson has to resign?

I thought the lt. governor role stays vacant until the next election?

[Ed in Westchester]

Here's a question. I could look it up but someone may know. After Spitzer resigned and paterson took over...did they appoint a new Lt. Gov.? Otherwise, who takes over if paterson has to resign?

Richard Ravitch was appointed by Patterson, not without some problems, since the constitution of NY does not call for the gov to appoint a new one. Courts held it was fine though. Otherwise, if he leaves, we get stuck with one of the idiots in charge of the Senate, who I think may be under investigation as well.

[sheadenizen]

Richard Ravitch was appointed by Patterson, not without some problems, since the constitution of NY does not call for the gov to appoint a new one. Courts held it was fine though. Otherwise, if he leaves, we get stuck with one of the idiots in charge of the Senate, who I think may be under investigation as well.

Ed, I forgot all about his appointing Ravitch. You're totally right. Thanks.

[sheadenizen]

Bay gets an RBI...hallelujah. Our season is saved!

[sheadenizen]

Maine...1st inning. 2K's!
We're saved! We're saved!

[Lunkwill Fook]

How many pitches to get the K's? :)

[Ed in Westchester]

How many pitches to get the K's? :)

30

per batter

[Lunkwill Fook]

So you're saying he's improving....

[Ed in Westchester]

So you're saying he's improving....

slightly

[Ed in Westchester]

F! seems to be having a nice spring so far.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Let's hope it's not TOO nice.

[In Da Know]

In Da Know in Da House!

What ya wanna know?

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

We know that Ollie has saved us any suspense about whether he'll suck this year. Now it's a question of how much he'll suck.

[In Da Know]

I know dis then...

Mejia bout to be pitching...

Here's the link to MLB box score so you can watch...

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/boxscore.jsp?gid=2010_03_08_nynmlb_flomlb_1&refresh=60

[Tim]

eddie...Blues Isles thursday night...wagers?

[Lunkwill Fook]

In Da Know in Da House!

What ya wanna know?

Very little, unfortunately. Welcome, haven't seen you around!

[Ed in Westchester]

eddie...Blues Isles thursday night...wagers?

um, I'll pass, thanks.

I wager the Isles will lose.

[In Da Know]

Why does a moderator need to approve my entry...haha

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

um, I'll pass, thanks.

I wager the Isles will lose.

I think there's only one game left this season that Ed/Dep care if the Isles win.

[Lunkwill Fook]

If the message is too short, it needs approval. There could be other things but that's all I know.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Why are you posting pictures of Ed?

[Squadron Nye]

I know dis then...

Mejia bout to be pitching...

Here's the link to MLB box score so you can watch...

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/boxscore.jsp?gid=2010_03_08_nynmlb_flomlb_1&refresh=60

sup d0000d


Is Mejia pitching again today?

[In Da Know]

Meja's on the rubber!

1IP 1H 3 Flyballs....That raises an eyebrow! He's a GB pitcher, he must be doing something different this outing...trying something different.

[sheadenizen]

mejia gave up a hit to his first batter...I think. it's hard with the only info being the box score. Thank God. Now maybe jerry will send him to the minors.

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Why are you posting pictures of Ed?

Me?

[Ellis Dee]

Why does a moderator need to approve my entry...haha

You are not allowed to ask questions - only give answers!

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

mejia gave up a hit to his first batter...I think. it's hard with the only info being the box score. Thank God. Now maybe jerry will send him to the minors.

He'll send him to whereever he kept Nick Evans in hiding last year.

[Lunkwill Fook]

We have no answers. Only gripes.

[sheadenizen]

Mejia
1 inning....1 H...no K's

[Ellis Dee]

mejia gave up a hit to his first batter...I think. it's hard with the only info being the box score. Thank God. Now maybe jerry will send him to the minors.

A hit and NO k's. Definitely overrated!

[Squadron Nye]

How did he record the outs, shea?

[In Da Know]

Funny enough my phone brower gives the play by play...

1st guy singles (Brett Hayes on a GB thru Short)
Jai Miller flies out to RF Fernando
Jorge Jimenez flies out to LF Capt Kirk
Hanley Ramirez Flies out to RF Fernando Martinez

[Lunkwill Fook]

With a pen.

[sheadenizen]

A met just hit a HR but I can't figure out who....lol!

[Lunkwill Fook]

All-Star closer Francisco Rodriguez returned to New York Mets camp on Monday after being hampered by conjunctivitis for more than two weeks.

Rodriguez had been told to stay away from the team until the pink eye cleared, but the contagious infection took longer than expected to improve. He was sick when he reported to New York's spring facility, but it went undiagnosed until just before full-squad workouts began Feb. 25.

The right-hander said he went to the doctor on Friday and was cleared to return Monday, although he still is infected. He continues to take eye drops and isn't allowed to wear contacts yet.

"It feels much better," Rodriguez said. "It's still a little uncomfortable, but it's good to be around. I was cleared to be around the guys, so it's fine."

Seriously. Just one break? PLEASE?

[Squadron Nye]

Funny enough my phone brower gives the play by play...

1st guy singles (Brett Hayes on a GB thru Short)
Jai Miller flies out to RF Fernando
Jorge Jimenez flies out to LF Capt Kirk
Hanley Ramirez Flies out to RF Fernando Martinez

Thanks yo!


With a pen.

turd

[Lunkwill Fook]

Looks like Barajas, Shea.

[lucienlc]

Maine pitched decently, I guess. Better than Ollie or Pelf. But he didn't go very long -- was that pitch count, or what, I wonder? He went one and 2/3, four Ks, one ground out. One run two hits.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Thanks yo!



turd

Cracker.

[Lunkwill Fook]

Maine pitched decently, I guess. Better than Ollie or Pelf. But he didn't go very long -- was that pitch count, or what, I wonder? He went one and 2/3, four Ks, one ground out. One run two hits.

Warthen said they were going to baby him early. The other starters had 45 pitch counts but Maine had less.

[lucienlc]

Warthen said they were going to baby him early. The other starters had 45 pitch counts but Maine had less.

I thought maybe that was it. Not a bad first start, then. I like the four Ks.

[In Da Know]

It was Barajas...then Russ Adams flies out to LF, Tejada pops out to 1B, Ike flies out to LF

Mejia's already got Uggla to ground out and Scott Cousins to ground out in the bottom half. Davis makes another error at 1st...Pitcher Mejia threw and Ike missed it.

Runner to 2nd...then Mejia K's the next guy.

2IP 1H 0R 0ER 2 ground balls, 3 fly outs, 1 strike out.

Kid sucks...Maine and Perez are his mentors...BAHAHAHA

[Lunkwill Fook]

I thought maybe that was it. Not a bad first start, then. I like the four Ks.

Yep and giving up a double to Hanley Ramirez isn't exactly shameful.

[sheadenizen]

Maine pitched decently, I guess. Better than Ollie or Pelf. But he didn't go very long -- was that pitch count, or what, I wonder? He went one and 2/3, four Ks, one ground out. One run two hits.

I read earlier he would be on a strict pitch count. They were going to "baby" him. I guess he reached it, but I can't recall what it was.

[lucienlc]

Me likey Mejia. Very much likey.

[Squadron Nye]

Yep and giving up a double to Hanley Ramirez isn't exactly shameful.

the proper level of shame shall be noted on warthen's shame chart

[sheadenizen]

Guess everyone else read the same thing I did. I was too slow with the info!

[Rave]

Mejia gave up a hit? Demote him!

Or, you know, just keep him away from Dan 'n Jerry!

[In Da Know]

It was Barajas...then Russ Adams flies out to LF, Tejada pops out to 1B, Ike flies out to LF

Mejia's already got Uggla to ground out and Scott Cousins to ground out in the bottom half. Davis makes another error at 1st...Pitcher Mejia threw and Ike missed it.

Runner to 2nd...then Mejia K's the next guy.

2IP 1H 0R 0ER 2 ground balls, 3 fly outs, 1 strike out.

Kid sucks...Maine and Perez are his mentors...BAHAHAHA

[MyFavBaseballSquadron]

Yep and giving up a double to Hanley Ramirez isn't exactly shameful.

He'll get plenty of shaming from Jerry and Warthen.